Is there a place at the table for white men?

[jimmyjimmy]

Neither do conservatives like me who don't go around with a chip on their shoulder.

You must have an alternate definition of, "conservative".

 

[zephcom]

But is anyone listening to him? Being afforded the courtesy of sitting at the discussion table doesn't mean anything if your input is ignored (conservative input is generally better than liberal input, however it is seldom politically correct).

IOW, the black people just aren't doing what you tell them to do. The time is gone when white people can just issue orders and expect them to be followed.

Sitting at the table does not ensure that your input will be followed. If it is deemed valuable by the people it is given to, it will be followed. If it isn't deemed valuable, it will be discarded.

I suspect that your input up to this point has not been deemed valuable.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I don't tend to give advice to grown folks, regardless of their race, unless it's been solicited. So your problem isn't mine.

The purpose of the discussion table is to solicit the opinion and advice of others (adults if I'm not mistaken).

 

[OldWiseGuy]

IOW, the black people just aren't doing what you tell them to do. The time is gone when white people can just issue orders and expect them to be followed.

Sitting at the table does not ensure that your input will be followed. If it is deemed valuable by the people it is given to, it will be followed. If it isn't deemed valuable, it will be discarded.

I suspect that your input up to this point has not been deemed valuable.

We haven't gotten to the input stage yet as we don't have a place at the table.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Well the OP calls himself the Old Wise Guy, and I read his story behind why he picked his avatar & the whole "grimly waiting for my cornflakes" line. I don't have his problems because I don't have his attitude.

I don't have problems. I have solutions.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

In what universe are Americans by and large happy?? Certainly not this one. We are either on the path to becoming a nuclear version of Nazi Germany or an implosion of racial conflict which will make America a cultural black hole.

How can one see either of these futures and declare that Americans are happy.

Most people in the world are 'happy' when SWB (subjective well being) is the criteria.

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[OldWiseGuy]

I'm not sure if you're referring to Go Braves or to my husband whom I mentioned. Concerning my husband, the answer is yes, people listen to him because he's respectful. And like Go Braves, he doesn't offer advice to other adults unless asked and he doesn't impose his opinions on others.

Let's use "him" as a stand-in for all white people who want to lend their voice to the discussion about how minorities can improve their lives.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Let's use "him" as a stand-in for all white people who want to lend their voice to the discussion about how minorities can improve their lives.

With all due respect, my husband doesn't believe Black people or any other minority need White people to tell them or even suggest how they should live their lives. He thinks all people can be and should be responsible for themselves, without the interference of other people with an agenda. I know him and he never tries to impose his personal opinions on other people, especially when it's uncalled for and unwelcome. I'm not trying to offend by saying these things. I'm just trying to be honest here because my husband is a good example, like @Go Braves is. I had initially posted links describing The White Man's Burden and the White Savior Complex, but I decided otherwise and deleted them.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

With all due respect, my husband doesn't believe Black people or any other minority need White people to tell them or even suggest how they should live their lives. He thinks all people can be and should be responsible for themselves, without the interference of other people with an agenda. I know him and he never tries to impose his personal opinions on other people, especially when it's uncalled for and unwelcome. I'm not trying to offend by saying these things. I'm just trying to be honest here because my husband is a good example, like @Go Braves is. I had initially posted links describing The White Man's Burden and the White Savior Complex, but I decided otherwise and deleted them.

I appreciate your input, but I don't think you understand where I'm going with this. I'm picturing a discussion involving all interested parties and ethnicities where all are welcome with the exception of conservative white people, who are excluded because their input is known to be politically incorrect.

I like "The White Man's Burden", but it's not really appropriate as the black population lives among us; their problems are at our doorstep. The Philippines was a long distance away (although we did bring thousands here after the war and rewarded them with education grants).

 

[Shiloh Raven]

I like "The White Man's Burden", but it's not really appropriate as the black population lives among us. The Philippines was a long distance away.

I was thinking more along the lines of the old belief that White people have a moral obligation to care for Black people and minorities. I remember as a little girl hearing my maternal great grandfather say that as a white man, he had the moral obligation to look after Black people, but he would call them the n word instead. He also said that about Native Americans, but he usually called them Injuns. So, that's what I was actually referring to, that old belief and not the actual poem itself. I guess I should have clarified that in my previous post, but it never occurred to me to do that. I apologize for that.

 

[RDKirk]

I noticed that this group of young black people aren't dressed like gangbangers or 'ho's. In fact, as a successful white man, I would have strongly urged them to dress just like this; for success.
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So if you know there are blacks you approve of, what are you complaining about?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I was thinking more along the lines of the old belief that White people have a moral obligation to care for Black people and minorities. I remember as a little girl hearing my maternal great grandfather say that as a white man, he had the moral obligation to look after Black people, but he would call them the n word instead. He also said that about Native Americans, but he usually called them Injuns. So, that's what I was actually referring to, that old belief and not the actual poem itself. I guess I should have clarified that in my previous post, but it never occurred to me to do that. I apologize for that.

That poem has been used for the purpose you stated, and it's actually quite applicable in some areas.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

So if you know there are blacks you approve of, what are you complaining about?

Kibitzing, not complaining.

 

[Go Braves]

The purpose of the discussion table is to solicit the opinion and advice of others (adults if I'm not mistaken).

You can have a discussion without giving your unsolicited advice. You can air opinions in a way that is considerate to other folks at the proverbial table, so you're more likely to get invited back to it.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You can have a discussion without giving your unsolicited advice. You can air opinions in a way that is considerate to other folks at the proverbial table, so you're more likely to get invited back to it.

Of course. That's how it's properly done. However, conservative advice won't change no matter how politely it's presented.

 

[Go Braves]

You must have an alternate definition of, "conservative".

No, I have the standard definition of it, not the one misappropriated by the alt-right folks.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Of course. That's how it's properly done.

Isn't this thread enough evidence that you shouldn't waste your time?

 

[jimmyjimmy]

No, I have the standard definition of it, not the one misappropriated by the alt-right folks.

You aren't a social conservative. That's been plainly demonstrated by your positions on every Conservative issue.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Isn't this thread enough evidence that you shouldn't waste your time?

It's getting a lot of views.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

It's getting a lot of views.

Your "place at the table" is to pick up they check and be the scape goat. Same as mine.