Is it okay to be a Christian and support same sex marriage?

[SkyWriting]

Do you also condemn the Bible when it says being guilty of one sin makes you guilty of all sins? James 2:10

Further, in the old covenant, both rape & homosexual acts were punishable by death. So, God seems to view them in a rather similar way.

Because the actual issue was promiscuity and adultery.
It had nothing to do with gender.

"Gender rules" are blasphemy.

A. In everything then,
B. do unto others
C. as you would have them do unto you.

 

[Devin P]

But you seemed to miss some of the verses before that, which say,
19 "Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things."

This is more about idol worship than sex. And it is BECAUSE they were worshiping idols, “Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:”

Now the questioner asks, have YOU ever had an idol in your life? Worshiping mammon, or cars, or civil liberties, or the "right" spouse, or the "right" church? Maybe looking for the best job, car, piece of jewelry, bank account, food, drink, children, etc? Why, then, because YOU have had such an idol in your life, why are you not homosexual?

Could it be that it is NOT a choice?

It was also about an entire civilization of people.

Going into idolatry

Wandering off to worship false gods

Rejecting the existence of יהוה

Claiming that they are smarter than the Creator, or than the very idea of the Creator

And to value animals and the creation, more than the Creator.

If this doesn't sound like America to you, there's no point in even discussing this further. Everything listed above, not only were they guilty of, but our civilization today as well. The mere mentioning of the Creator is now become nearly the most offensive thing you can say. Science has become the new way of life.

 

[SkyWriting]

Do you also condemn the Bible when it says being guilty of one sin makes you guilty of all sins? James 2:10

Including not edifying your neighbor.

 

[-V-]

Because the actual issue was promiscuity and adultery.
It had nothing to do with gender.

Why's that, other than because you say so?

"Gender rules" are blasphemy.
A. In everything then,
B. do unto others
C. as you would have them do unto you.

God said the head of woman is man. God is apparently guilty of blasphemy by your rules.

 

[-V-]

Including not edifying your neighbor.

So, edifying our neighbor means ignore & support sin?? Nonsense.

 

[SkyWriting]

The answer to your specific question is yes, you can be a Christian and support those things. But the real question is should you.

You should always do what you think is right. 100%

New American Standard Bible
"If you do well, will not your countenance be lifted up? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, but you must master it."

King James Version
If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

International Standard Version
If you do what is appropriate, you'll be accepted, won't you? But if you don't do what is appropriate, sin is crouching near your doorway, turning toward you. Now as for you, will you take dominion over it?"

 

[Monk Brendan]

Laws hash this all out.

Too true! However, they do not legislate morality. There is not law that says something to the effect of, "Two adults may NOT do what they desire, sexually, in the privacy of their own home." So, if there are two guys living in the same apartment, if they want to spend their time blowing bubbles, it's okay. If they want to spend their time baking and eating cakes, it's legal. If they want to have sex with one another, it's LEGAL.

In the bad old days, before such laws were made, a man having sex with a man could be thrown into jail for years. In those same bad old days, if a man wanted to make love to a woman, it had to be in the "missionary" position. Otherwise, they too, could be thrown into jail.

THANK GOD! We don't have to worry about bad laws like that anymore.

 

[SkyWriting]

While I disagree with your stance on this issue, as far as I am aware being a Christian is predicated on faith in Christ Jesus alone for salvation and sanctification. But what does it say?

International Standard Version
If you do what is appropriate, you'll be accepted, won't you? But if you don't do what is appropriate, sin is crouching near your doorway, turning toward you. Now as for you, will you take dominion over it?"

"

 

[SkyWriting]

Too true! However, they do not legislate morality.

Every laws legislates morality. That is what law is.
It codifies the morality of the majority....in a democracy anyway.

 

[Monk Brendan]

LGBT stands for Lesbian, Gay, Bi-sexual and tri-sexual. Technically, Bi-Tri-sexual, that term applies to whoredoms, which are despised in the bible and if spoken of that way are despised by the prophets of God. The bible also speaks out against men who choose other men.

The T in LGBT sands for Transsexual--the person that feels, for good or ill, that they were born in the wrong gender body. I cannot understand it, nor do I pretend to. My only job is to pray for that person, and love them, PERIOD!

 

[-V-]

You should always do what you think is right. 100%

So, the Bible says murder & rape are wrong, for example. But as long as *I* think those things are fine, I should go ahead and do them. That's what you're saying?

 

[SkyWriting]

There is not law that says something to the effect of, "Two adults may NOT do what they desire, sexually, in the privacy of their own home." So, if there are two guys living in the same apartment, if they want to spend their time blowing bubbles, it's okay. If they want to spend their time baking and eating cakes, it's legal. If they want to have sex with one another, it's LEGAL.In the bad old days, before such laws were made, a man having sex with a man could be thrown into jail for years. In those same bad old days, if a man wanted to make love to a woman, it had to be in the "missionary" position. Otherwise, they too, could be thrown into jail.
THANK GOD! We don't have to worry about bad laws like that anymore.

Those laws still exist. In those cases where they are changed
it is a moral decision to change them.

 

[Hidden In Him]

You should always do what you think is right. 100%

New American Standard Bible
"If you do well, will not your countenance be lifted up? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, but you must master it."

King James Version
If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

International Standard Version
If you do what is appropriate, you'll be accepted, won't you? But if you don't do what is appropriate, sin is crouching near your doorway, turning toward you. Now as for you, will you take dominion over it?"

Well, that's an interesting perspective to take. The scriptures do indeed teach that what a man does by faith he does unto God, and whatsoever is not of faith is sin. But then there is the issue of those who's consciences are seared, and also the danger of some not knowing what pleases the True and Living God very clearly because their mentality has been so corrupted by the world (1 Thessalonians 4:1-8).

 

[Monk Brendan]

To afflicted Christians we must speak the truth in love. Try to get our friends to see reason. If they won't listen to us, we bring 2 or 3 other Christian brothers and sisters to explain the truth with love. If they still won't listen we take them to the Church, (if they'll go), and the Church will explain it with care and love. If they won't listen to the Church, they ave excommunicated themselves from communion with the Lord (Mt. 18), and must truly repent in their heart with prayer and meditation.

So you would cast out your brother in Christ because he doesn't reflect your "well bred" morality?

 

[Devin P]

This attitude is supposed to attract homosexuals to your church? It won't, and you know it! Even in love, calling someone wicked and evil is not going to draw them to God's love. More than likely, it will turn them off from God altogether, so that when, at the end of their life, God IS calling them, they will feel so condemned by statements like that that they will reject His love.

What we are called to do is to LOVE people--even homosexuals--into God's kingdom, not HATE them away from the kingdom.

I didn't call THEM wicked and evil. I called the spirits that were oppressing them wicked and evil. Did you not read the parts where I said it was important to love them?

Tell me, if someone has had two heart attacks from over eating, and they want to enter an all you can eat pie contest, do you urge them on, or do you try to get their eyes to focus more on healthier options? If you think that urging them on because it's something they desire is more loving, then you're missing what יהוה is telling us. Just as Proverbs 13:24 displays, it's better to bruise someone's arm grabbing them to stop them from leaping than to not even grab their arm and watch them jump over the cliff. Are there some people that will - after you grabbing their arm - get mad at you, curse you out, reject your advice and jump anyway? Obviously. Yes, there are people who struggle with things that will not heed the warnings you give them, but it was that way with Yeshua as well. We are supposed to warn them, and if they desire to join the church, and never come to repentance, they are not true believers. Be mad at me for saying that, but it's not me that says it, it's quite literally the word of יהוה. If they are serious about it, they will search out for Him in every aspect of their life, and Yeshua will cast off their bondages for them. I know people that have come out of homosexuality. Actually someone that was a year into transitioning to the opposite gender that was saved and stopped not only the transition, but she's a beautiful woman once again, seeking a husband. Praise יהוה. If they are serious about a relationship with the Father, and with the Son, they WILL change. This doctrine is from Them, and it will NOT offend them. This doesn't mean we change the word of the Father just because people aren't happy with it. Even Yeshua said, He came not to bring peace, but a sword. There is meant to be division.

I accept the person that is afflicted with homosexuality, but I do not, nor will I ever accept homosexuality. Does this mean that I kick people who are homosexuals out of church? Obviously not... I never said that. You keep putting words in my mouth. No matter the forum, no matter the post, you by far have placed the most words and changed the most meanings, and missed the most points of anyone I've met on this website. Did Yeshua love all? Obviously, but did He tolerate the sins they bore? No. He calls us to righteous judgement. Hence our ability to love the sinner. Because we know it's not them, it's the deception that's to blame. It is a fact, that being led astray into things like that, whether it's depression, an eating disorder, any slew of mental disorders and diseases, even physical ones, are tricks and causes of spiritual wickedness. Hence Yeshua casting demons and devils out that were responsible for not only mental ailments, but also caused such physical pain and illness that one woman had been unable to stand up straight for decades.

Do I think that people are born gay? No. But, I do think that they can be born into curses and sins caused by their fathers that have inflicted them with the spirits and sins their bearing. These are things and veils that can only be lifted by prayer and repentance. If you agree to the bible, and the word of the Creator, nothing I have said here should be cause for you to be enraged. I've merely reflected what His word says. Therefore you can be mad, but understand that it's not at me.

 

[RGW00]

Let me start off by apologizing if I'm putting this in the wrong part of the forum. This is something that's been bothering me for a while and I'm hoping to get some opinions. I support not only same sex marriage, but also the LGBT community in general. Can I still be a Christian despite this? I know that something such as same sex marriage directly goes against what's in the Bible (marriage being between one man and one woman). I'm really conflicted here. I feel guilty, but I can't change how I feel. Thanks for reading.

Sure, you can be a Christian despite this. No matter what you do after you become a Christian, you are still a Christian. Period. I don't condone this, however, because you know it says it's wrong. It's your decision to make, God gave us the power of free will, but I think the closer you grow to God, the more He will show you that same-sex marriage is wrong and He will deliver you from accepting their stance.

The good thing is is that you don't practice it, but if you tell people that do it that they are right in doing it, then that in itself is a wrong way to witness. Gay people all want to hear that they are right and that they were born that way because it gives them power in some (although not all's) journey into delving deeper into the feeling of entitlement.

 

[devin553344]

The T in LGBT sands for Transsexual--the person that feels, for good or ill, that they were born in the wrong gender body. I cannot understand it, nor do I pretend to. My only job is to pray for that person, and love them, PERIOD!

Yes I looked it up and I got that wrong, thank you for correcting me. I see I did get bi-sexual correctly stated. And although being bi-sexual is not necessarily sin, acting on it is sin for same sex intercourse cause they can choose within their gender attraction area.

 

[SkyWriting]

So, the Bible says murder & rape are wrong, for example. But as long as *I* think those things are fine, I should go ahead and do them. That's what you're saying?

Who, me?

Is it not true that if you do what is right, you will be fine? But if you donot do what is right, sin is crouching at the door. It desires to dominate you, but you must subdue it."

Job 34:4
Let us make the decision for ourselves as to what is right; let us have the knowledge among ourselves of what is good

Psa 34:14
Turn away from evil and do what is right! Strive for peace and promote it!

Psa 37:27
Turn away from evil! Do what is right! Then you will enjoy lasting security.

Prov 21:3
To do what is right and true is more pleasing to the Lord than an offering.

Isa 1:17
Learn to do what is right! Promote justice! Give the oppressed reason to celebrate! Take up the cause of the orphan! Defend the rights of the widow!

Jer 7:5
You must change the way you have been living and do what is right. You must treat one another fairly.

Matt 5:10
"Those persons who have suffered for trying to do what is right will be blessed because the kingdom of heaven belongs to them.

 

[Monk Brendan]

supporting homosexuality means supporting a mental deviation/disorder; yes, it is a mental deviation/disorder just as schizophrenia, autism, bulimia, etc. are mental deviations/disorders, and we have to heal people of every disorder/disease, not to make them be affected/ill with any of them

PROVE that homosexuality is a mental disease! And if it is, why judge them as sinners? If someone has Down's Syndrome, do you automatically throw them out of the church? While God can heal a genetic infirmity, can you? Can any of the doctors of the day? NO! IF, therefore, homosexuals are mentally ill, then it is a great injustice to throw then out of the church, or even try to make them change!

 

[Monk Brendan]

If you believe that Jesus did teach against homosexuality,

Show me ONE verse in the Gospels, where Jesus spoke against homosexuality.