COL 2:14-17 The REAL truth from God's Word

[stuart lawrence]

But now, by dying to what once bound us we have been released from the law, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, not the old way of the written code
Rom7:6

Not compatible with saying:

You must obey the written code/ TC to be in a saved state

 

[stuart lawrence]

People who say you must obey the TC to be in a saved state don't believe if you have any impure thoughts you cease to be in a saved state. They don't believe if you look at a woman with lust in your eye you fail to be in a saved state. They don't believe if you get angry with your brother you fail to be in a saved state. They don't believe unless you faultlessly love God and always put him first in your life you cease to be in a saved state etc
It is just dumbing the law of God down to a place you believe you obey it.
The second greatest commandment supercedes nine of the TC.
Do these people believe you are not in a saved state if you don't love your enemies, those who may malign, persecute, hate or mistreat you?
Of course they don't.
Yet they quote, unless you obey Jesus commands you are a liar and the truth is not in you.
I'm afraid it is just glibly quoting the letter, making pat statements that have no bearing on the reality of the people's lives who make them. It is preaching what you do not practice. Demanding of others what you do not demand of yourself.
At best it is a superficial understanding of the Bible, at worst outright hypocrisy

 

[Bob S]

Hello All

This section arises because there are some today who like to twist scripture and in order to justify keeping man made traditions that break God's commandments. Some even knowingly and willfully break God's Sabbath commandment (Ex 20:8-11) and think that there will be no consequences. However, all sin has consequences and breaking the Sabbath commandment is no exception.

Where there is no Sabbath law there is n sin. Please show us where in scripture there is a consequence for breaking a law that does not exist.

Some even accuse Jesus of breaking the Sabbath commandment, which he did not. He did give others permission to break the letter of the law, like the man at the pool of Bethesda (John 5:8), and defended his disciples who also did (Matthew 12:2), because he was Lord of the Sabbath

So, you can instruct others to break the Sabbath for you and remain Lilly white? Jesus Sabbath experiences were when He too was under the Law. Christians are not under the Law, thanks to Jesus. Amen!

and came to teach man how to keep the Sabbath (Matthew 12:8; Mark 2:27-28). However, he himself never did break it, but in these cases he operated in the hierarchy of the law whenever there was a human need and good needed to be done. This was how a spiritual man should operate; not the letter but the Spirit. This bible study explains from scripture the penalty for breaking any of God's commandments including the Sabbath commandment.

So, He taught you that you can instruct your fellow man to do things on the Sabbath that you would not do? Sounds like something SDAs do. I worked in a SDA hospital and it most certainly does happen every old covenant defunct Sabbath.

Sin is the transgression of God’s Law; The wages of sin is death

The gift of Grace is eternal life. What is God's law? Is Jesus God? He kept His Father's commands and we are to keep His commands and that is to love others as He loves us, not a bunch of commands that no longer exist. They were transitory commands, meaning temporary and the Sabbath command was sandwiched right in the middle of the other nine.

 

[listed]

Hi Bob,

Just saying something is not truth because you say so does not mean what your saying is true. Please by all means prove what you are saying and show me through the Word of God why you believe it is not true? I do not understand why people have so many opinions but do not refer to God's Word. It is only God's Word that is truth (Acts 5:29). I am only sharing God's Word with you.

Not a true statement. You're not talking about or simply sharing Scripture even though you quote tons of it.

 

[listed]

Exo 20:16, Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. Lying is also a sin.

I have never said we are saved by the works of the Law or by keeping God's Commandments only you have said this. I have only ever posted that we are saved by Faith in God's Word alone and it is Christ that works in us to will and to do of His own good pleasure (Eph 2:8; Phil 2:13) so that we can be obedient to God's Law because of LOVE (Rom 13:9-10) as we walk in the Spirit (Rom 8:1). This is the New Covenant (Eze 36:26-27; Heb 8:10-12). I follow Jesus because I love him. Do you love Jesus Stuart?

Twisting what I say when I am not saying what you are inferring is also a lie.

SIN is the transgression of God's Law and the Wages of Sin is Death.

In Christ Always!

What exactly do you mean with your comment and partial quote from 1 John 3:4? Aren't you implying willful unrepentant sin? Will such keep a person from heaven? Doesn't that mean no salvation?

 

[WailingWall]

Hi Everyone,

Overall summary:
* Col 2:14-17 is referring to the ceremonial laws of Moses (v 14)

* The ceremonial laws of Moses included all the (1) food and drink offering, (2) feast days and festivals, (3) New Moons and (4) annual feast sabbaths (v 16)

* These were all Shadows pointing to Jesus and were completed at His death (v14; 17)

Nope. Col.2 {16} is speaking only of the meat and drink offerings being a shadow of Christ. The meat and drink offerings were held on the new moons, feast days and sabbaths and according to scripture its only the meat and drink offerings of those days were the shadow of Christ.

 

[listed]

People who say you must obey the TC to be in a saved state don't believe if you have any impure thoughts you cease to be in a saved state. They don't believe if you look at a woman with lust in your eye you fail to be in a saved state. They don't believe if you get angry with your brother you fail to be in a saved state. They don't believe unless you faultlessly love God and always put him first in your life you cease to be in a saved state etc
It is just dumbing the law of God down to a place you believe you obey it.
The second greatest commandment supercedes nine of the TC.
Do these people believe you are not in a saved state if you don't love your enemies, those who may malign, persecute, hate or mistreat you?
Of course they don't.
Yet they quote, unless you obey Jesus commands you are a liar and the truth is not in you.
I'm afraid it is just glibly quoting the letter, making pat statements that have no bearing on the reality of the people's lives who make them. It is preaching what you do not practice. Demanding of others what you do not demand of yourself.
At best it is a superficial understanding of the Bible, at worst outright hypocrisy

Nope. Col.2 {16} is speaking only of the meat and drink offerings being a shadow of Christ. The meat and drink offerings were held on the new moons, feast days and sabbaths and according to scripture its only the meat and drink offerings of those days were the shadow of Christ.

Sorry but the text doesn't say anything about what happens on those days in the text.

 

[WailingWall]

Sorry but the text doesn't say anything about what happens on those days in the text.

Does in Hebrews

The “many” claim that the sabbath was the shadow of Christ. But what do the scriptures say

COL.2 [14] BLOTTING OUT THE HANDWRITING OF ORDINANCES that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;[15] And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.[16] Let no man therefore judge you in MEAT, or in DRINK, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:[17] WHICH ARE A SHADOW OF THINGS TO COME; but the body is of Christ.

The handwriting of ORDINANCES {meat and drink offerings} has been blotted out. They were the shadow

HEBREWS 9 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.... [9] WHICH WAS A FIGURE for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

The first covenant had ORDINANCES which stood ONLY in meat and drink offerings which were a figure. A shadow

EZEKIEL 46 [14] And thou shalt prepare a meat offering for it every morning, the sixth part of an ephah, and the third part of an hin of oil, to temper with the fine flour; a MEAT OFFERING continually by a perpetual ORDINANCE unto the LORD.

Meat offering by ordinance. There ya go. Hebrews 9 was ofcourse correct

HEBREWS 10 [1] For THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with THOSE SACRIFICES WHICH THEY OFFERED YEAR BY YEAR continually make the comers thereunto perfect.[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.[3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.[4] For IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.

Hebrews 10 says it all. The shadow of the law was the offerings (the meat and drink offerings). Hebrews 10{1} says that plain and clear. The Word does not say the sabbath was the shadow of Christ which really makes no sence at all anyways

NUMBERS 19 [2] This is the ORDINANCE OF THE LAW which the Lord hath commanded, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring thee a red heifer without spot, wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came yoke:

Before Christ the red heifers lived their lives in fear and trembling, thinking they might be next offering. No worries no more.

JOHN 6 [55] For my flesh is MEAT indeed, and my blood is DRINK indeed.

We are no longer under the law concerning the meat and drink offerings{the shadow}. Jesus FULFILLED that portion of the law. Its all grace now! Jesus Himself said “For my flesh is MEAT indeed, and my blood is DRINK indeed”.

 

[WailingWall]

NUMBERS 28 [9] And on the sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot, and two tenth deals of flour for a MEAT OFFERING, mingled with oil, and the DRINK OFFERING thereof: [10] This is the burnt offering of EVERY SABBATH, beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.

Theres the meat and drink offerings for the sabbath days that Col.2 [16] was speaking of.

EZEKIEL 46 [6] And in the day of the NEW MOON it shall be a young bullock without blemish, and six lambs, and a ram: they shall be without blemish. [7] And he shall prepare a MEAT OFFERING, an ephah for a bullock, and an ephah for a ram, and for the lambs according as his hand shall attain unto, and an hin of oil to an ephah.

The meat offering for the new moon that was spoken of in Col.2 [16].

LEVITICUS 23 [4] These are THE FEASTS OF THE LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. [5] In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is THE LORD'S PASSOVER. [6] And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread…… [13] And the MEAT OFFERING thereof shall be two tenth deals of fine flour mingled with oil, an offering made by fire unto the Lord for a sweet savour: and the DRINK OFFERING thereof shall be of wine, the fourth part of an hin.

In all the feast days (holy days) meat and drink offerings were written into the laws of commandments contained in the ordinances. The above scripture points out the holy day of passover when Jesus was crucified.

HEBREWS 9 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.... [9] WHICH WAS A FIGURE for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Once again, the 1st covenant had ordinances which stood only in meat and drinks which were a figure! A shadow!

EPH.2 [15] HAVING ABOLISHED in his flesh the enmity, even the LAW OF COMMANDMENTS CONTAINED IN ORDINANCES; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;[16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

COL. 2 [13] And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; [14] BLOTTING OUT THE HANDWRITING OF ORDINANCES that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

ISAIAH 24 [5] The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, CHANGED THE ORDINANCE, broken the everlasting covenant.[6] Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

But in this “Day of the Lord” scripture it seems the many will go on believing what they’ve been taught by their sunday mourning pulpiteers. They will continue to believe the commandments mentioned in Eph.2 are the 10 commandments and not the law of commandments contained in the ordinances

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Nope. Col.2 {16} is speaking only of the meat and drink offerings being a shadow of Christ. The meat and drink offerings were held on the new moons, feast days and sabbaths and according to scripture its only the meat and drink offerings of those days were the shadow of Christ.

Besides the food and drink offerings in Col 2:16-17 the scriptures also include the new moons annual festivals (translated in English as holyday) and sabbath(s). These included holy convocations within these festivals set by the yearly Luna cycle of the new moon. Please read the OP and the verses. "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath(s): Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." These are referring to many of the annual Jewish festivals in Lev 23 and their holy convocations (days) and as you have rightly pointed out that were Shadows. The "shadows" were not referring to God's 7th Day commandment (Ex 20:8-11) as you have rightly pointed out.

Most of your other posts in relation to Hebrews 10 are spot on!

In Christ!

 

[Bob S]

Don't allow anyone to try to make you believe Paul was not referring to the weekly Sabbath In Col 2. He confirms that scripture elsewhere in His writings. 1Jn 3:19-24 also confirms the old law does not pertain to Christians. 2Cor 3:7-11 tells us we are not under the law of death, the 10 commandments with its ritual Sabbath command. Our rest is in Jesus. Our covenant is about salvation not about keeping days. Amen!

 

[listed]

Does in Hebrews

The “many” claim that the sabbath was the shadow of Christ. But what do the scriptures say

COL.2 [14] BLOTTING OUT THE HANDWRITING OF ORDINANCES that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;[15] And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.[16] Let no man therefore judge you in MEAT, or in DRINK, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:[17] WHICH ARE A SHADOW OF THINGS TO COME; but the body is of Christ.

This is a list and not a commentary on holy days. Either a holy day includes the weekly sabbath you hold holy or the sabbaths include it. No matter how you slice it the weekly sabbath is included.

The handwriting of ORDINANCES {meat and drink offerings} has been blotted out. They were the shadow

If you want to say the ordinances against us is food, you must say also the holy days and sabbaths are the same. They're included in the same sentence.

HEBREWS 9 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.... [9] WHICH WAS A FIGURE for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

What are those carnal ordinances? The text says and carnal. This can't be a reference to meats ans drinks. The word "and" includes something else. It's not a definition.

The first covenant had ORDINANCES which stood ONLY in meat and drink offerings which were a figure. A shadow

The sabbath is an ordinance.

EZEKIEL 46 [14] And thou shalt prepare a meat offering for it every morning, the sixth part of an ephah, and the third part of an hin of oil, to temper with the fine flour; a MEAT OFFERING continually by a perpetual ORDINANCE unto the LORD.

Meat offering by ordinance. There ya go. Hebrews 9 was ofcourse correct

HEBREWS 10 [1] For THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with THOSE SACRIFICES WHICH THEY OFFERED YEAR BY YEAR continually make the comers thereunto perfect.[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.[3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.[4] For IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.

Here you try to change the subject to redemption.

Hebrews 10 says it all. The shadow of the law was the offerings (the meat and drink offerings). Hebrews 10{1} says that plain and clear. The Word does not say the sabbath was the shadow of Christ which really makes no sence at all anyways

No the sabbath is a carnal ordinance for the body of flesh.

NUMBERS 19 [2] This is the ORDINANCE OF THE LAW which the Lord hath commanded, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring thee a red heifer without spot, wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came yoke:

Before Christ the red heifers lived their lives in fear and trembling, thinking they might be next offering. No worries no more.

JOHN 6 [55] For my flesh is MEAT indeed, and my blood is DRINK indeed.

We are no longer under the law concerning the meat and drink offerings{the shadow}. Jesus FULFILLED that portion of the law. Its all grace now! Jesus Himself said “For my flesh is MEAT indeed, and my blood is DRINK indeed”.

Nor are we any longer required to keep a day on which those tasks were preformed.

 

[listed]

NUMBERS 28 [9] And on the sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot, and two tenth deals of flour for a MEAT OFFERING, mingled with oil, and the DRINK OFFERING thereof: [10] This is the burnt offering of EVERY SABBATH, beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.

Not really worth responding to. Your verse shows honoring a day.

 

[listed]

Besides the food and drink offerings in Col 2:16-17 the scriptures also include the new moons annual festivals (translated in English as holyday) and sabbath(s). These included holy convocations within these festivals set by the yearly Luna cycle of the new moon. Please read the OP and the verses. "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath(s): Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." These are referring to many of the annual Jewish festivals in Lev 23 and their holy convocations (days) and as you have rightly pointed out that were Shadows. The "shadows" were not referring to God's 7th Day commandment (Ex 20:8-11) as you have rightly pointed out.

Most of your other posts in relation to Hebrews 10 are spot on!

In Christ!

The whole list are shadows or none of them are. Leviticus 23 includes the weekly sabbath

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The whole list are shadows or none of them are. Leviticus 23 includes the weekly sabbath

Dear Listed,

Your post above just tells me that you have not read the OP. Do you know what a shadow it?

 

[Bob S]

Dear Listed,

Your post above just tells me that you have not read the OP. Do you know what a shadow it?

According to you neither did Paul. According to you the 10 commandments were not temporary. 2Cor3:7-11 According to you we are still under the old covenant or parts thereof. Gal 3:19 According to you Jesus came, but didn't finish what He came to do. Matt5:17.

 

[stuart lawrence]

According to the sda belief, the leaders of the Jerusalem Church, many if whom had been Christ's disciples must have given gentile converts a licence to sin(Acts ch15) for they did NOT ask gentiles to desist from eating the Levitical unclean foods when deciding which laws they were asked to follow.
As we know the church did not give gentiles a licence to sin, this shows the sda church do not understand which law God desires the believer to follow. Hence their insistency concerning which law the Christian must observe should be ignored

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Ok Guys,

Back for another section. All of each parts 1 to 4 can be read alone to come to a final conclusion but as you can see it is very conclusive when you look at all of God's Word that Col 2 is in reference to the ceremonial laws of Moses and the annual festivals that all pointed to Jesus which were a shadow of things to come and not the 7th Day Sabbath which was part of the finished work of creation given by God to mankind before sin entered into the world.

PART 4

Continued from last post...........

The Memorial Seventh-day Sabbath

This is the distinction between the yearly ceremonial sabbaths and the Seventh-day Sabbath: obviously the Seventh-day Sabbath occurs on the last day of every week, but rather than being prophetic in nature, it is commemorative, a memorial to creation, established by God himself as scripture clearly tells us-
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Because it is only commemorative, and not a shadow of things to come, the weekly Seventh-day Sabbath is really not part of the discussion in Colossians 2:17. When this is understood, the weekly seventh-day Sabbath is clearly not a part of the prophetic sequence of events in the plan of salvation that are portrayed by the yearly ceremonial Sabbaths.
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
1 Cor 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
1 Cor 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Paul is saying that the believing Christian need not keep the ceremonial laws, the shadow sabbaths, because they find fulfillment in faith in Jesus Christ, the true passover lamb. The schoolmaster was the yearly ceremonial sabbaths associated with the Hebrew Temple, which taught the plan of salvation through a coming Messiah, the passover lamb of God. Now that salvation through Jesus of Nazareth is clear to the Gentile church, there is no further need of the schoolmaster (the earthly Temple, its ceremonies and shadow sabbaths) because that lesson has been learned by those with faith. However, nowhere does the Bible indicate that one of the Ten Commandments has been abrogated, or that the disciples or Jesus abandoned the weekly Seventh-day Sabbath for Sunday keeping. Indeed the Bible makes clear, that in the future all believers will keep the true Seventh-day Sabbath-

Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

God's Sabbath (Saturday) was never rescinded. It is eternal, intended as a constant reminder that we are created beings, responsible to our creator at the end of time. God's Sabbath was made in the creation week before mankind had sinned so can never be a shadow or type. The Seventh-day Sabbath will be kept in perpetuity by God's people because they are obedient and keep the commandments of God. This is particularly true as we near the end of time-

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus

Hope this helps the faithful Bereans...

PART 1 in found in post 1

PART 2 is found here in post 149

PART 3 is found here in post 165

PART 4 in found in post 218

PART 5 is found in post 1639

God bless you my friends

 

[Bob S]

Ok Guys,

Back for another section. All of each parts 1 to 4 can be read alone to come to a final conclusion but as you can see it is very conclusive when you look at all of God's Word that Col 2 is in reference to the ceremonial laws of Moses and the annual festivals that all pointed to Jesus which were a shadow of things to come and not the 7th Day Sabbath which was part of the finished work of creation given by God to mankind before sin entered into the world.

So far it is as plain as mud.

PART 4

Continued from last post...........

The Memorial Seventh-day Sabbath

This is the distinction between the yearly ceremonial sabbaths and the Seventh-day Sabbath: obviously the Seventh-day Sabbath occurs on the last day of every week, but rather than being prophetic in nature, it is commemorative, a memorial to creation, established by God himself as scripture clearly tells us-
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

I wonder why SDAs do not ever mention that the Sabbath was to commemorate being led out of captivity in Egypt. The Deut. rendition has nothing to do with creation. We can only guess what was really written on those stones. Anyway I do agree that it commemorates something.

Because it is only commemorative, and not a shadow of things to come, the weekly Seventh-day Sabbath is really not part of the discussion in Colossians 2:17.

The word Sabbath means a period of rest. The old covenant weekly Sabbath is a shadow of the Rest we have in Jesus therefore your theory is off to bad start. It has no tie as to whether it is commemorative or not.

When this is understood, the weekly seventh-day Sabbath is clearly not a part of the prophetic sequence of events in the plan of salvation that are portrayed by the yearly ceremonial Sabbaths.

You are asking us to do something that cannot be understood.

Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
1 Cor 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
1 Cor 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Paul didn't tell us it was the ceremonial laws that he was referring to. You have added your own meaning to scripture. Law meant Torah or the 613 laws given by God to Israel. The schoolmaster that Paul was referring to was all of the law.

Paul is saying that the believing Christian need not keep the ceremonial laws, the shadow sabbaths, because they find fulfillment in faith in Jesus Christ, the true passover lamb. The schoolmaster was the yearly ceremonial sabbaths associated with the Hebrew Temple, which taught the plan of salvation through a coming Messiah, the passover lamb of God. Now that salvation through Jesus of Nazareth is clear to the Gentile church, there is no further need of the schoolmaster (the earthly Temple, its ceremonies and shadow sabbaths) because that lesson has been learned by those with faith. However, nowhere does the Bible indicate that one of the Ten Commandments has been abrogated, or that the disciples or Jesus abandoned the weekly Seventh-day Sabbath for Sunday keeping. Indeed the Bible makes clear, that in the future all believers will keep the true Seventh-day Sabbath-

I think you are over stepping scripture by adding something that is not there. For instance the Feast of the Shelters has nothing to do with pointing to Jesus nor does the Feast of the Harvest. The Day of Atonement had to do with their sins. The Festival of Trumpets was a day of special gifts to the Lord. None of those special days pointed to anything in the New Testament. Passover or First Feast may have some significance, but Paul said all of them were shadows.

Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

24 “And they will go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind.”

Are you sure you want to use Is 66:23 as a reference that we should be observing Sabbath? Do you really believe we will be going out and looking at dead bodies on the Sabbath? In Is 65 writing about the new earth Isaiah wrote that man would die and babies would be born. Is that your understanding of the events in the new Earth?

God's Sabbath (Saturday) was never rescinded. It is eternal, intended as a constant reminder that we are created beings, responsible to our creator at the end of time. God's Sabbath was made in the creation week before mankind had sinned so can never be a shadow or type. The Seventh-day Sabbath will be kept in perpetuity by God's people because they are obedient and keep the commandments of God. This is particularly true as we near the end of time-

Tell that to Paul who wrote that the 10 commandments were only temporary commandments. 2Cor 3:7-11. Tell that to Jesus who fulfilled the law. Matt 5:17.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus

There you go trying to convince your readers that John was referring to the 10 commandments when he didn't begin to refer he meant the 10 commandments. Jesus is God. While on the Earth He kept His Father's commands and asked us to keep His commands. His commands are to believe in Him and love others as He loves us. 1Jn 3:19-24




God bless you my friends

 

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Besides the food and drink offerings in Col 2:16-17 the scriptures also include the new moons annual festivals (translated in English as holyday) and sabbath(s). These included holy convocations within these festivals set by the yearly Luna cycle of the new moon.

Nope. The meat and drink offerings were fulfilled in Christ. We are still to keep the feast days, and there sabbaths and the new moons

ACTS 18 [20] When they desired him to tarry longer time with them, he consented not; [21] But bade them farewell, saying, I MUST BY ALL MEANS KEEP THIS FEAST THAT COMETH IN JERUSALEM: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus.

Here we find Paul keeping one of the feast days in Jersalem long after Christ had been crucified

1 COR. 5 [6] Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? [7] Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: [8] THEREFORE LET US KEEP THE FEAST, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

This also is after Christ had risen. They were still keeping the Feast of unleavened bread but not as they did before. Before Christ there was to be no leven in the house. After Christ was crucified the laws contained in the ordinances were nailed to the cross. So have yourself a peanut butter and jelly.