What is the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, I think I know...

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Adam and Eve ate of "The fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil", but was that a metaphoric tree representing lineage of animals? I will attempt to explain and offer scientific evidence that supports that the fruit of knowledge of good and evil was meat from animals.

1) In the Bible God taught Adam and Eve to be vegan. In fact it was the same for animals too:

Genisis: {1:29} And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which [is] upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which [is] the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. {1:30} And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein [there is] life, [I have given] every green herb for meat: and it was so. {1:31} And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, [it was] very good.

2) But man didn't obey the Good, and they ate of "the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil". And then God instituted burnt offerings which were meat.

3) Which led eventually to the sacrament of Jesus the Christ and the doing away of burnt offerings. And Jesus the Christ gave out bread as his body which is made from seed, and wine for his blood which is made from fruit. He didn't give out meat.

If we are to say we are born into sin, from Adam and Eve, then what is it if not being born into a body? And what is our body if not genetically different from Adam and Eve, remember they weren't born into sin, but our bodies are.

We have recent science that suggests that meat may have changed us genetically over the years and caused us to grow in knowledge of good and evil, intelligence:

Here's a science article section:

"As a new study in Nature makes clear, not only did processing and eating meat come naturally to humans, it's entirely possible that without an early diet that included generous amounts of animal protein, we wouldn't even have become human—at least not the modern, verbal, intelligent humans we are."

It's from the article here:
Sorry Vegans: Here's How Meat-Eating Made Us Human
 

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Adam and Eve ate of "The fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil", but was that a metaphoric tree representing lineage of animals? I will attempt to explain and offer scientific evidence that supports that the fruit of knowledge of good and evil was meat from animals.

1) In the Bible God taught Adam and Eve to be vegan. In fact it was the same for animals too:

Genisis: {1:29} And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which [is] upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which [is] the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. {1:30} And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein [there is] life, [I have given] every green herb for meat: and it was so. {1:31} And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, [it was] very good.

2) But man didn't obey the Good, and they ate of "the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil". And then God instituted burnt offerings which were meat.

3) Which led eventually to the sacrament of Jesus the Christ and the doing away of burnt offerings. And Jesus the Christ gave out bread as his body which is made from seed, and wine for his blood which is made from fruit. He didn't give out meat.

If we are to say we are born into sin, from Adam and Eve, then what is it if not being born into a body? And what is our body if not genetically different from Adam and Eve, remember they weren't born into sin, but our bodies are.

We have recent science that suggests that meat may have changed us genetically over the years and caused us to grow in knowledge of good and evil, intelligence:

Here's a science article section:

"As a new study in Nature makes clear, not only did processing and eating meat come naturally to humans, it's entirely possible that without an early diet that included generous amounts of animal protein, we wouldn't even have become human—at least not the modern, verbal, intelligent humans we are."

It's from the article here:
Sorry Vegans: Here's How Meat-Eating Made Us Human
That is an interesting perspective. I have read that meat protein grew our brains if we believe in human evolution (not saying whether I do or not).
I'm throwing this in though on behalf of the vegans :D
Proverbs 15:17 Better a small serving of vegetables with love than a fattened calf with hatred.
 
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That is an interesting perspective. I have read that meat protein grew our brains if we believe in human evolution (not saying whether I do or not).
I'm throwing this in though on behalf of the vegans :D
Proverbs 15:17 Better a small serving of vegetables with love than a fattened calf with hatred.

Thanks, I thought it was interesting mostly is why I provided it for everyone to examine :)
 
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Adam and Eve ate of "The fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil", but was that a metaphoric tree representing lineage of animals? I will attempt to explain and offer scientific evidence that supports that the fruit of knowledge of good and evil was meat from animals.

1) In the Bible God taught Adam and Eve to be vegan. In fact it was the same for animals too:

Genisis: {1:29} And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which [is] upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which [is] the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. {1:30} And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein [there is] life, [I have given] every green herb for meat: and it was so. {1:31} And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, [it was] very good.

2) But man didn't obey the Good, and they ate of "the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil". And then God instituted burnt offerings which were meat.

3) Which led eventually to the sacrament of Jesus the Christ and the doing away of burnt offerings. And Jesus the Christ gave out bread as his body which is made from seed, and wine for his blood which is made from fruit. He didn't give out meat.

If we are to say we are born into sin, from Adam and Eve, then what is it if not being born into a body? And what is our body if not genetically different from Adam and Eve, remember they weren't born into sin, but our bodies are.

We have recent science that suggests that meat may have changed us genetically over the years and caused us to grow in knowledge of good and evil, intelligence:

Here's a science article section:

"As a new study in Nature makes clear, not only did processing and eating meat come naturally to humans, it's entirely possible that without an early diet that included generous amounts of animal protein, we wouldn't even have become human—at least not the modern, verbal, intelligent humans we are."

It's from the article here:
Sorry Vegans: Here's How Meat-Eating Made Us Human

Simple fruit was Fig , they grab closest leaf possible to clothe themself when they seen that they were naked , they took fig leafs to cover themself .

Fig fruit inside looks like sperm , it was allusion to seed of woman who will save her from sin , just as this fruit made her sin .
 
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No. It was sexual in nature causing them to realize they were naked. It's knowledge. That's why the Bible refer to sex as "knew his wife."

It is still with us. There are two trees. The Tree of Life (Christ) and the tree of Knowledge (Satan through the women). That's why the Tree of Life (Christ) also had to come through the woman but not through sexual intercourse (knowledge) but rather through faith in God's Word reversing the curse. Simple really.

A man that's born of a women are few of days and full of trouble. As a result the rest of us was born in sin. That's why Jesus said "that which is born of flesh is flesh and that which is born of spirit is spirit." And this is why we must be born again. This time we are born through faith into the Kingdom of God and not through sexual desire.
 
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Adam and Eve ate of "The fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil", but was that a metaphoric tree representing lineage of animals? I will attempt to explain and offer scientific evidence that supports that the fruit of knowledge of good and evil was meat from animals.

1) In the Bible God taught Adam and Eve to be vegan. In fact it was the same for animals too:

Genisis: {1:29} And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which [is] upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which [is] the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. {1:30} And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein [there is] life, [I have given] every green herb for meat: and it was so. {1:31} And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, [it was] very good.

2) But man didn't obey the Good, and they ate of "the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil". And then God instituted burnt offerings which were meat.

3) Which led eventually to the sacrament of Jesus the Christ and the doing away of burnt offerings. And Jesus the Christ gave out bread as his body which is made from seed, and wine for his blood which is made from fruit. He didn't give out meat.

If we are to say we are born into sin, from Adam and Eve, then what is it if not being born into a body? And what is our body if not genetically different from Adam and Eve, remember they weren't born into sin, but our bodies are.

We have recent science that suggests that meat may have changed us genetically over the years and caused us to grow in knowledge of good and evil, intelligence:

Here's a science article section:

"As a new study in Nature makes clear, not only did processing and eating meat come naturally to humans, it's entirely possible that without an early diet that included generous amounts of animal protein, we wouldn't even have become human—at least not the modern, verbal, intelligent humans we are."

It's from the article here:
Sorry Vegans: Here's How Meat-Eating Made Us Human

That fruit, eating it, is seeking to decide for ourselves about what is right to do on the level of true right and wrong, judgement that really belongs to God.

We thus stop fully trusting God, and instead begin trusting our own judgement above His.

Which we don't do well. Not even with years of experience.

So long as we don't trust Him, we are putting separation between ourselves and Him.
 
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No. It was sexual in nature causing them to realize they were naked. It's knowledge. That's why the Bible refer to sex as "knew his wife."

It is still with us. There are two trees. The Tree of Life (Christ) and the tree of Knowledge (Satan through the women). That's why the Tree of Life (Christ) also had to come through the woman but not through sexual intercourse (knowledge) but rather through faith in God's Word reversing the curse. Simple really.

A man that's born of a women are few of days and full of trouble. As a result the rest of us was born in sin. That's why Jesus said "that which is born of flesh is flesh and that which is born of spirit is spirit." And this is why we must be born again. This time we are born through faith into the Kingdom of God and not through sexual desire.


Tree did not give any knowledge , 1 Timothy 2:14 . Adam was not deceived , he took it because he wanted to die with Eve , he did not want to live alone forever without her , he alredy knew this and had knowledge that when he eat it , he will die .
 
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Tree did not give any knowledge , 1 Timothy 2:14 . Adam was not deceived , he took it because he wanted to die with Eve , he did not want to live alone forever without her , he alredy knew this and had knowledge that when he eat it , he will die .

1 Timothy 2:14 doesn't appear to say that, also I found this in Genesis:

{3:22} And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
 
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1 Timothy 2:14 doesn't appear to say that, also I found this in Genesis:

{3:22} And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

1 Timothy 2:14

“And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.”- KJV
Also if you read Genesis 3:22 literally then you can also concluse that since man sin , and became one of us then God sin too , it's not what this passage means , this passage means that he made choice just like God make choices .
 
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Tree did not give any knowledge , 1 Timothy 2:14 . Adam was not deceived , he took it because he wanted to die with Eve , he did not want to live alone forever without her , he alredy knew this and had knowledge that when he eat it , he will die .
Scripture say let every fruit bring forth of it's kind. Ok, so let's see. Apple trees bring forth apples, orange trees bring forth oranges, Tree of Life brings forth Life and tree of knowledge brings forth knowledge.

It makes one wize? The serpent was more subtle? than all the beasts of the field. If you understood Scriptures you would have seen that since the garden of Eden the war was always between these two trees. Faith vs. reasoning.

It's also a mixed tree. It is good and evil. Like sex. Knowledge always brings death though the initially motive might have been good. Examples are Gun powder, drugs, cars, nuclear power etc. Mixed tree of good and evil bringing more death.

The Word of God is not a fairytale folks, it's real and if it started in Genesis it must still be with us today until all seeds come to maturity. Does not the Bible say that at the end knowledge shall increase. It's our knowledge that's going to destroy us. Think about it.
 
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Scripture say let every fruit bring forth of it's kind. Ok, so let's see. Apple trees bring forth apples, orange trees bring forth oranges, Tree of Life brings forth Life and tree of knowledge brings forth knowledge.

It makes one wize? The serpent was more subtle? than all the beasts of the field. If you understood Scriptures you would have seen that since the garden of Eden the war was always between these two trees. Faith vs. reasoning.

It's also a mixed tree. It is good and evil. Like sex. Knowledge always brings death though the initially motive might have been good. Examples are Gun powder, drugs, cars, nuclear power etc. Mixed tree of good and evil bringing more death.

The Word of God is not a fairytale folks, it's real and if it started in Genesis it must still be with us today until all seeds come to maturity. Does not the Bible say that at the end knowledge shall increase. It's our knowledge that's going to destroy us. Think about it.

God can only create good things by definition , he can't create evil tree or mixed evil and good tree .
Eating fruit was simply act of disobedience against God , which is sin.
 
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No. It was sexual in nature causing them to realize they were naked. It's knowledge. That's why the Bible refer to sex as "knew his wife."

It is still with us. There are two trees. The Tree of Life (Christ) and the tree of Knowledge (Satan through the women). That's why the Tree of Life (Christ) also had to come through the woman but not through sexual intercourse (knowledge) but rather through faith in God's Word reversing the curse. Simple really.

A man that's born of a women are few of days and full of trouble. As a result the rest of us was born in sin. That's why Jesus said "that which is born of flesh is flesh and that which is born of spirit is spirit." And this is why we must be born again. This time we are born through faith into the Kingdom of God and not through sexual desire.

According to what Archaeologists find, the earliest clothes wearing wasn't until Neanderthal which is pretty recent:

Scroll down on the right Illustration: "Human Timeline":
Timeline of human evolution - Wikipedia
Which if correct gives Moses and God credit for revealing that clothing wearing was a learned behavior after evolution of the brain happened. Just a thought :)
 
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God can only create good things by definition , he can't create evil tree or mixed evil and good tree .
Eating fruit was simply act of disobedience against God , which is sin.
So where did the devil come from
 
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1 Timothy 2:14

“And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.”- KJV
Also if you read Genesis 3:22 literally then you can also concluse that since man sin , and became one of us then God sin too , it's not what this passage means , this passage means that he made choice just like God make choices .

While I understand your point, it says, "man became as one of us, to know good and evil", which is knowledge technically :)
 
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So where did the devil come from

Lucifer was created good , he was in charge of all angels but he decided to replace God and then he fall taking 1/3 of angels with him , due to pride , first sin ever was Lucifer's sin , not man sin . God changed his name to Satan.Ezekiel 28:13-19

13Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
 
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According to what Archaeologists find, the earliest clothes wearing wasn't until Neanderthal which is pretty recent:

Scroll down on the right Illustration: "Human Timeline":
Timeline of human evolution - Wikipedia
Which if correct gives Moses and God credit for revealing that clothing wearing was a learned behavior after evolution of the brain happened. Just a thought :)
I'd rather take what Scripture say through faith than what archaeologists say through knowledge :)
 
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Well how could eating meat be the first sin? Did they eat another animal alive? Because if they killed it first then that would be the first sin.
I do think its obvious we were not supposed to eat meat in the beginning, but the one thing that always confused me is the carnivores. Carnivores claws, jaws and teeth are made to rip flesh. I just cant see a T-Rex or a great white shark nibbling on lettuce.

A bible teacher I know said that all animals ate veggies until Adam fell, then their teeth turned sharp and they started eating each other..........
 
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Lucifer was created good , he was in charge of all angels but he decided to replace God and then he fall taking 1/3 of angels with him , due to pride , first sin ever was Lucifer's sin , not man sin . God changed his name to Satan.Ezekiel 28:13-19

13Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
And Satan was that tree of knowledge
 
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