Eating swine & other unclean animals is a work of the flesh

[Dkh587]

Shalom!

ETA: This thread does not teach that salvation is through the law of Moses/law of God. This thread teaches that salvation is through the Messiah/Christ, Jesus/Yeshua/Yahushua


This thread is only about the subject of eating unclean animals, and how they make us unclean. Paul wrote to the Galatians that uncleanness is a work of the flesh. What is one of the things we can do to make ourselves unclean? Eat unclean animals.

Galatians 5:19-21

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Keep in mind, this is in regards to what God says, and not man-made traditions.

Now, we know what animals are clean and unclean because the Scriptures record God telling Moses what animals are clean and unclean. HalleluYah!

The swine, or pig, is specifically mentioned:

Leviticus 11:7

And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.

Leviticus 11:43 shows us that eating unclean animals, birds, sea creatures, bugs etc defiles us and makes us unclean.

Ye shall not make yourselves abominable with any creeping thing that creepeth, neither shall ye make yourselves unclean with them, that ye should be defiled thereby.

God specifically says that we should not defile ourselves and make ourselves unclean by eating unclean animals. Even touching their dead flesh makes us unclean.

No matter which unclean animal we eat, they all have the same effect: they make us abominable, they make us unclean, and they defile us(according to God)

There are other things that make us unclean, but considering that Paul wrote more than once about uncleanness, we should heed his words in light of what the Law of God says in regards to things that make us unclean, such as eating unclean animals(which is what this topic is about)

Ephesians 5:1-5

Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

Again, there are many more things that make us unclean, but this thread is only about how eating unclean animals makes us unclean, per the word of God.

Shalom!

 

[GeorgeJ]

Nope, not going to give up my baby back ribs, snow crab legs, or mussels in white wine sauce!

 

[stuart lawrence]

I love my gammon toooooo much

 

[Aldebaran]

Shalom!

This thread is only about the subject of eating unclean animals, and how they make us unclean. Paul wrote to the Galatians that uncleanness is a work of the flesh. What is one of the things we can do to make ourselves unclean? Eat unclean animals.

Galatians 5:19-21


Keep in mind, this is in regards to what God says, and not man-made traditions.

Now, we know what animals are clean and unclean because the Scriptures record God telling Moses what animals are clean and unclean. HalleluYah!

The swine, or pig, is specifically mentioned:

Leviticus 11:7



Leviticus 11:43 shows us that eating unclean animals, birds, sea creatures, bugs etc defiles us and makes us unclean.


God specifically says that we should not defile ourselves and make ourselves unclean by eating unclean animals. Even touching their dead flesh makes us unclean.

No matter which unclean animal we eat, they all have the same effect: they make us abominable, they make us unclean, and they defile us(according to God)

There are other things that make us unclean, but considering that Paul wrote more than once about uncleanness, we should heed his words in light of what the Law of God says in regards to things that make us unclean, such as eating unclean animals(which is what this topic is about)

Ephesians 5:1-5


Again, there are many more things that make us unclean, but this thread is only about how eating unclean animals makes us unclean, per the word of God.

Shalom!

"It is not what enters into the mouth that defiles the man, but what proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man." ---Jesus Christ (Matthew 15:11)

 

[Dkh587]

"It is not what enters into the mouth that defiles the man, but what proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man." ---Jesus Christ (Matthew 15:11)

Thank you for sharing the words of Christ, even though you have taken his words out of context - he is addressing manmade tradition and how not washing your hands before you eat does not defile you.

Unclean animals was not the subject of his discussion - not washing your hands before you eat was what Christ was talking about

 

[stuart lawrence]

What comes out of a man is what makes him unclean. For within, out of men's hearts come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and make a man unclean
Mark7:20-23

I wonder how many suffer from some of the above, yet consider themselves clean because they avoid the Levitical unclean foods

 

[Aldebaran]

Thank you for sharing the words of Christ, even though you have taken his words out of context - he is addressing manmade tradition and how not washing your hands before you eat does not defile you.

Unclean animals was not the subject of his discussion - not washing your hands before you eat was what Christ was talking about

Perhaps a different verse would be more relevant: "The voice spoke from heaven a second time, 'Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.' (Acts 11:9)

 

[Dkh587]

Nope, not going to give up my baby back ribs, snow crab legs, or mussels in white wine sauce!

All I can do is share the word of God with you - if you choose to eat abominations, despite knowing what the word says, that's between you & God. I'm not here to force you to change your eating habits, nor can I make you change them.

may those that have ears to hear, hear!

 

[Ken Rank]

Nope, not going to give up my baby back ribs, snow crab legs, or mussels in white wine sauce!

You know, I don't care at all. While I refrain from those things... what you do is between you and God and I mean that. But I have a question... if you find out that God does not desire you to eat those things, are you going to take the same position? Are the things we please our flesh with more important then the will of our heavenly Father? And again... an "if" was attached to the question.

 

[stuart lawrence]

As the op refuses to have ears that hear, concerning the church leaders not requiring gentile converts to abstain from the Levitical unclean foods( Acts ch 15) I doubt his ears will be open to hear anything anyone with opposing views writes in this thread

 

[Ken Rank]

Perhaps a different verse would be more relevant: "The voice spoke from heaven a second time, 'Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.' (Acts 11:9)

Even Peter, when confronted by other Jews... said the vision was about PEOPLE not what we eat. The vision was using the animals as SYMBOLS... just as God does throughout Scripture. Should we take Pharaoh's dream literally and make sure our sick cattle can't eat our healthy cattle? No... the dream wasn't about cattle, was it? Yet we have this dream where Peter tells God "NO!" to His face 3 times and then tells everyone that the vision was about people... and we somehow twist that into a mandate to eat bottom dwelling poop eaters?

 

[Dkh587]

Perhaps a different verse would be more relevant: "The voice spoke from heaven a second time, 'Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.' (Acts 11:9)

I'm glad you brought this up. I wrote about this in another thread earlier, to help clarify the context and meaning of Peter's vision. It is kinda long, but please, if you are serious, read it. Post # 179 in this thread(this is a direct link to post 179)

What foods does the Father want us to eat?

Peter's vision was not about food at all. In Acts 10:28, Peter explained his vision:

"God showed him that he should not call any man common or unclean".

Peter never said "God showed me that he has cleansed unclean animals and now we can eat swine and all other unclean animals"

I went more in depth with the vision in the thread that I linked above, so please check it out.

 

[Albion]

Col 2:13-17 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross. Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

 

[Ken Rank]

"It is not what enters into the mouth that defiles the man, but what proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man." ---Jesus Christ (Matthew 15:11)

Great verse... the problem is this also isn't speaking of what most Christians think it is. God said that eating, for example, catfish... was a sin. He didn't say it made us unclean. So, it isn't what we put into our mouth that makes us unclean...it is the filth that comes out of our mouth (words) that reflect a heart not in harmony with God.

 

[GeorgeJ]

All I can do is share the word of God with you - if you choose to eat abominations, despite knowing what the word says, that's between you & God. I'm not here to force you to change your eating habits, nor can I make you change them.

may those that have ears to hear, hear!

Hopefully you're following all 611 laws in the OT.

 

[Dkh587]

Hopefully you're following all 611 laws in the OT.

I think there's technically 613, but I'm a man - I'm not so sure I can keep the commands for women regarding their monthly cycle

 

[Ken Rank]

Col 2:13-17 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross. Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

That which was against us wasn't the commandments of a God that doesn't change, brother... it was the verdict of guilty that was against us and that which was nailed to the cross. Thus when it comes to us going out and spotting the new moon and knowing when the new biblical month is.... or resting on the Sabbath or taking part in another feast... I should do them without worrying about anyone condemning me because they REMAIN a shadow of things TO COME.

The Sabbath points to the Millennial Kingdom... the time of peace and rest and thus if we rested on Sabbath it would be from a premise that this thing still points to something yet to come. And yet some Christians get downright angry and call names toward people like me who rest on Saturday. Yet, that same person will take part in a memorial (communion) that is CLEARLY tied to something that already was fulfilled. So it is ok to do something and look BACK at what Yeshua did... but bondage and a curse to take part in something that still points to things he will do? Perhaps you can see why I find no consistency in this line of thinking?

Not saying you do or don't think this way.. at this point I am just ranting.

 

[Ken Rank]

Hopefully you're following all 611 laws in the OT.

You mean 613... which include the 2 in the NT... Loving God and loving neighbor are repeats, they are not new!

 

[Aldebaran]

Even Peter, when confronted by other Jews... said the vision was about PEOPLE not what we eat. The vision was using the animals as SYMBOLS... just as God does throughout Scripture. Should we take Pharaoh's dream literally and make sure our sick cattle can't eat our healthy cattle? No... the dream wasn't about cattle, was it? Yet we have this dream where Peter tells God "NO!" to His face 3 times and then tells everyone that the vision was about people... and we somehow twist that into a mandate to eat bottom dwelling poop eaters?

I just know that the place where I read about eating certain types of foods, or anything else mentioned in Levitical law 76 Things Banned in Leviticus (and their penalties) - ***Dave Does the Blog is not focused on in the New Testament when Jesus taught his disciples, nor in the letters written by the apostles. It seems that those are not the things we're to be focusing on now.

 

[GeorgeJ]

... if you find out that God does not desire you to eat those things, are you going to take the same position?

I'll just have to cross that bridge IF I ever get to it....