Is there a place at the table for white men?

[OldWiseGuy]

The political table that is. If privileged middle class white men are responsible for the problems of minorities and the poor is there room for well-meaning white men at the table of political discussion. Or are we not welcome there? Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and other activists want a place for minorities at the economic table along with white folks, but do the white folks have to empty their pockets onto the table, and then shut their mouths as well?

 

[Roseonathorn]

Maybe white men should learn to grow their own cornflakes too...that would impress on the political table. White man serving His own homegrown cornflakes and presenting a financial saving problem to the global foodcrisis. Teach the people to grow their own food on their sparetime lnstead of surfing nonsens.

 

[jayem]

Of course there's a place for white men. And black and Asian men, and women. There's plenty of room for everyone. As long as they all have good table manners.

 

[PreviouslySeeking...]

Last time I checked, White men are generally at the table in the US for all manner of political discussion. They hold the majority of political offices. Not being snarky; I don't see White folks being underrepresented or unheard in the places that matter.

 

[Tree of Life]

The political table that is. If privileged middle class white men are responsible for the problems of minorities and the poor is there room for well-meaning white men at the table of political discussion. Or are we not welcome there? Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and other activists want a place for minorities at the economic table along with white folks, but do the white folks have to empty their pockets onto the table, and then shut their mouths as well?

Yeah we need more white men in politics.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

The political table that is. If privileged middle class white men are responsible for the problems of minorities and the poor is there room for well-meaning white men at the table of political discussion. Or are we not welcome there? Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and other activists want a place for minorities at the economic table along with white folks, but do the white folks have to empty their pockets onto the table, and then shut their mouths as well?

That's what they tell us, "Shut up, and give me your money". Almost sounds criminal, doesn't it?

 

[Ygrene Imref]

The political table that is. If privileged middle class white men are responsible for the problems of minorities and the poor is there room for well-meaning white men at the table of political discussion. Or are we not welcome there? Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and other activists want a place for minorities at the economic table along with white folks, but do the white folks have to empty their pockets onto the table, and then shut their mouths as well?

The problem is that there are many white persons that absolutely deny that there is a problem in the States - even under blatant supply of evidence. There are some of the type that would defame dead people while celebrating their death - all while trying to convince some of us that we are idiots, and we don't actually perceive what we perceive.

Then, there are some who think racism is a new thing, that every other race is 100% equally racist (projection,) and that there is therefore nothing exceptionally wrong with it.

Then, there are some that would call their "friends" every derogatory name in the ethnic book while at the same time admonishing the person about their racism for bringing it up.

There are some of the type that do NOT see anything wrong with institutions of nuanced slavery - even though they are part of it.

Some are of the type that think AFRICAN Americans are racists themselves, because they want a statue of racist slave owners, rapists, breeders and "buck breakers" to STAY UP - and see no problem with it except for the whine of the ethnic snowflake.

It isn't about White people NOT having the right to talk, or come to the table. Dont confuse an inability to do something with conviction, and consequences. What I think people want is full, consequence-free ability to express their prejudices and hate while at the same time justify it by making everyone else look as guilty.

That is projection. I would say that no one wants someone at "the table" that can't even admit when blatant hate, racism, and HISTORY exists - and instead BLAMES EVERYONE ELSE IN ORDER MARGINALIZE THEIR OWN DESTRUCTIVE HATE.

Stop thinking "ethnic people don't want us." There is nothing to offer, precisely because there is a thought that whites are being ignored and shunned for no reason. When people accuse a movement of hate for trying to protest for justice in killing an endangered species of human of being, and even compare it to a group with a HISTORY OF

Buck breaking
Burning alive
Rape
Murder and torture
Lying about oaths
Using science to support the idea that some were animals, with tails

Why would anyone want to be at the table with them? In fact, why would the person who fits this profile want to be at the table? Don't you think we have been involved enough?

Yes?

No?

 

[jimmyjimmy]

The political table that is. If privileged middle class white men are responsible for the problems of minorities and the poor is there room for well-meaning white men at the table of political discussion. Or are we not welcome there? Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and other activists want a place for minorities at the economic table along with white folks, but do the white folks have to empty their pockets onto the table, and then shut their mouths as well?

Decades of white, liberal, paternalistic treatment of blacks is much of the cause for their woes, so I don't blame them for not wanting whites in office.

 

[Ygrene Imref]

Part of the reason lileky minorities don't want the aforementioned at the table is precisely because people keep equating Jackson and Sharpton as the arbiters of blackness, and black folk. I don't even think this is true in the black community.

Yet again, though, if a black person says that, them some other connection will be forced upon them as a representation. This implies the people who say this have GENETIC MEMORY from their parents - a sick adage to the days when black people were (according to science) animals, and according Christianity - the children of the devil himself. They are hive mind beasts that are savages and such. Perhaps there would be a lot more respect from minorities if we stop using passive aggressive techniques for expressing prejudice.


I honestly don't understand the questions on here sometimes, but I do understand the answers I see. There are plenty of other tables.

Does anyone really believe that the States' minority population is ALL lying? I think many do.

 

[Ygrene Imref]

Decades of white, liberal, paternalistic treatment of blacks is much of the cause for their woes, so I don't blame them for not wanting whites in office.

Are we genuises, or is this a very easy concept to understand, and those that feign ignorance are actually very aware?

Because, it should be very clear...

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Are we genuises, or is this a very easy concept to understand, and those that feign ignorance are actually very aware?

Because, it should be very clear...

Not all white men are Liberals.

 

[Ygrene Imref]

Not all white men are Liberals.

I will say, to be fair in terms of my own reasoning and justification for the previous post, that both liberals and conservatives have been a part of the bastardization of ethnic groups (native or enslaved). They flip-flopped in their identity through the decades, but they are all from the same order. And, they continue to pretend like their hate or love is genuine - and not for growing constituency and maintaining tenure.

It, therefore, becomes dangerous when people actually believe them, and build a culture and life on what they have done to others for their benefit (not the benefit of even the people that look like them.)

 

[Nithavela]

The political table that is. If privileged middle class white men are responsible for the problems of minorities and the poor is there room for well-meaning white men at the table of political discussion. Or are we not welcome there? Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and other activists want a place for minorities at the economic table along with white folks, but do the white folks have to empty their pockets onto the table, and then shut their mouths as well?

Don't worry, my old friend. Keep dreaming, fighting and praying and I'm sure one day a white male might even become president of the USA.

 

[Soyeong]

The political table that is. If privileged middle class white men are responsible for the problems of minorities and the poor is there room for well-meaning white men at the table of political discussion. Or are we not welcome there? Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and other activists want a place for minorities at the economic table along with white folks, but do the white folks have to empty their pockets onto the table, and then shut their mouths as well?

You need to check your privilege end of story, doesn't matter of what you said had nothing to do with race.

 

[Gene2memE]

115th Congress:
79.8% male.
92% Caucasian.
84% of Christian denominations

State legislatures (as of 2015):
77% male.
81.9% Caucasian.
56% of Christian denominations - note that 42% were 'non-specified' but only 2% of the total identified as non-Christians.

So, it seems to me like white males are not only at the table of these political discussions, they're over-represented compared to the US as a whole.

115th Congressional data sourced from LegiStorm, state data sourced from the National Conference of State Legislatures.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

115th Congress:
79.8% male.
92% Caucasian.
84% of Christian denominations

State legislatures (as of 2015):
77% male.
81.9% Caucasian.
56% of Christian denominations - note that 42% were 'non-specified' but only 2% of the total identified as non-Christians.

So, it seems to me like white males are not only at the table of these political discussions, they're over-represented compared to the US as a whole.

115th Congressional data sourced from LegiStorm, state data sourced from the National Conference of State Legislatures.

You sound racist.

You do understand that they are all elected, right?

 

[Gene2memE]

You sound racist. You do understand that they are all elected, right?

I'm not sure how reporting factual data that shows white, Christian males are over-represented in US legislative assemblies compared to the rest of the population can sound racist, but okay...

I also understand that these people were elected - that's why I noted they were in Congress and state legislatures. This isn't a kingdom or kleptocracy, where special places in politics are given out to relatives with no qualifications.

Here are the top Republican candidates for the upcoming Alabama special election:

Notice anything?

Of the 18 Republican and Democrat candidates put up for the senate seat, just one (6%) is female and three (17%) are black.

Republican candidates
Democrat candidates

But the population of Alabama is 52% female and 27% black.

When even the candidates are non-representative of the wider population, there might be a systemic problem.

 

[Dave-W]

Not all white men are Liberals.

As shown in Charlotteville VA last weekend.

Alt-right, KKK, Neo-Nazis and white supremacists are NOT liberals by any definition.

 

[Rubiks]

Last time I checked, White men are generally at the table in the US for all manner of political discussion. They hold the majority of political offices. Not being snarky; I don't see White folks being underrepresented or unheard in the places that matter.

Perhaps white men are more interested in running for office? Just food for thought.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You need to check your privilege end of story, doesn't matter of what you said had nothing to do with race.

Don't understand what you mean by "end of story".

White privilege is a fact of life. Minorities will have to deal with that. What I said has everything to do with race as that is the supposed problem. What I'm asking is do well-meaning white people have a voice in the economic future of minorities, or are we supposed to just pony up our wealth with no conditions.