The Biblical Anti-Christ.

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Ezekiel 39, has God destroying the invading muslim armies - then the seven years.

A muslim will claim to be God (which is what the beast will do) - and the muslims will agree and worship him, as well as the rest of the world, them who are not saved? And will rule the world for 42 months?
And a image of the muslim placed in the temple? Really?

Do you know that the muslims are against even paintings of people? That's why their ornate work, in their mosques are complex geometric designs.

Muslims aren't going to worship some man claiming to be God - it is against their religion.

Gog IS the antichrist. The muslims are awaiting their mahdi which is said to do exactly what the antichrist will do. The king of the north is the antichrist. The assyrian is the antichrist. A revived roman empire is NOT the beast. A revived islamic empire IS the beast system. It is the sunni/shia feet of clay. The heads of the beast are empires. Rome is the 6th, islam is the 7th and the 8th is of the 7. The revived ottoman empire will be the head that comes back from a fatal wound.

If you read the aftermath of the Ezekiel 38-39 there is a great feast for the birds. This same feast is mentioned in Revelation 19. The defeat of gog is the return of Jesus for the millennium reign.

John MacArthur sums up the antichrist well in this short video. Joel Richardson explains this all in great depth in his two books. Islamic antichrist, and mid east beast.
 
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John MacArthur sums up the antichrist well in this short video. Joel Richardson explains this all in great depth in his two books. Islamic antichrist, and mid east beast.

VARZR, that particular video by John MacArthur, at You Tube, years ago, I explained in the comments why John MacArhtur is wrong. Since then, the video resurfaced, but with the comment section - disabled.

Click on the You Tube version f the video, you will see what I mean.
 
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Gog IS the antichrist. The muslims are awaiting their mahdi which is said to do exactly what the antichrist will do. The king of the north is the antichrist. The assyrian is the antichrist. A revived roman empire is NOT the beast. A revived islamic empire IS the beast system. It is the sunni/shia feet of clay. The heads of the beast are empires. Rome is the 6th, islam is the 7th and the 8th is of the 7. The revived ottoman empire will be the head that comes back from a fatal wound.

There may be someone come along and claim to be the Mahdi. But is not part of bible prophecy.

The king of the north reacts like a whirlwind, when the king of the south attacks "him". The him is not the king of the north, but the wilful king, the beast. All four quadrants of the world will be drawn into the middle east at the end of the 7 years. News out of the east troubles "him". Why would the Chinese, and allies coming out of the east trouble the king of the North? It would trouble the King of the West.

There will be the King of the West - the western global quadrant forces. The King of the North, Russia and the 'stan forces. The King of the south, the African continent forces. The Kings of the East, the Asian forces. All nations brought into the middle east.

If you read the aftermath of the Ezekiel 38-39 there is a great feast for the birds. This same feast is mentioned in Revelation 19. The defeat of gog is the return of Jesus for the millennium reign.

Yes, there is the Armageddon feast in Ezekiel 39:17-20. But 7 years before then, is the feast on Gog's army, the muslims and Russia, in Ezekiel 39:4.

Gog is not mentioned in the Armageddon feast in the Ezekiel 39:17-20 feast. Why? because Gog's army was destroyed 7 years earlier in Ezekiel 39:4.
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Regarding the Assyrian in Micah 5:5, it gives a hint of who the Assyrian is ....in verse 6.

6 And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Nimrod in the entrances thereof: thus shall he deliver us from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land, and when he treadeth within our borders.

Why does it say Nimrod? It is highly likely that Nimrod, now a disembodied unclean spirit is who the beast in the bottomless pit is.

If so, by possessing the slain and come back to life man of sin, that would bring the Assyrian element into the equation. But the end times person, who becomes the revealed man of sin - himself is a Jew.

Revelaton 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition:

and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

The second part of Revelation 17:8 is the end times person, that the world will witness being killed and come back to life.
 
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There may be someone come along and claim to be the Mahdi. But is not part of bible prophecy.

The king of the north reacts like a whirlwind, when the king of the south attacks "him". The him is not the king of the north, but the wilful king, the beast. All four quadrants of the world will be drawn into the middle east at the end of the 7 years. News out of the east troubles "him". Why would the Chinese, and allies coming out of the east trouble the king of the North? It would trouble the King of the West.

There will be the King of the West - the western global quadrant forces. The King of the North, Russia and the 'stan forces. The King of the south, the African continent forces. The Kings of the East, the Asian forces. All nations brought into the middle east.



Yes, there is the Armageddon feast in Ezekiel 39:17-20. But 7 years before then, is the feast on Gog's army, the muslims and Russia, in Ezekiel 39:4.

Gog is not mentioned in the Armageddon feast in the Ezekiel 39:17-20 feast. Why? because Gog's army was destroyed 7 years earlier in Ezekiel 39:4.
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Regarding the Assyrian in Micah 5:5, it gives a hint of who the Assyrian is ....in verse 6.

6 And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Nimrod in the entrances thereof: thus shall he deliver us from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land, and when he treadeth within our borders.

Why does it say Nimrod? It is highly likely that Nimrod, now a disembodied unclean spirit is who the beast in the bottomless pit is.

If so, by possessing the slain and come back to life man of sin, that would bring the Assyrian element into the equation. But the end times person, who becomes the revealed man of sin - himself is a Jew.

Revelaton 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition:

and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

The second part of Revelation 17:8 is the end times person, that the world will witness being killed and come back to life.

I think you are wrong. You think I am wrong. I strongly feel that scripture is on my side. I have heard the 3 kings reading before and I am not buying it.
 
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Marilyn, the person will no longer be the Anti-Christ when he reveals himself as the man of sin, the lawless one.

The person has to be a Jew to become the Anti-Christ. But, being "the Anti-Christ" is only while the person is the King of Israel. Which his time as the King of Israel will end when he commits the transgression of desolation, revealing himself as the man of sin, the lawless one.

No "the Anti-Christ" in Revelation 13 and beyond. The person is no longer the Antichrist - the King of Israel - in Revelation 13 and beyond.

The Antichrist does not equal the beast.
The Antichrist does not equal the little horn
The Antichrist does not equal the revealed man of sin
The Antichrist does not equal the lawless one.

The Antichrist ONLY equals when the person has been anointed the King of Israel, and is in that position. It only lasts for the first three years, three months (thereabouts) of the seven years, that the person is the Antichrist.

The coming Antichrist will be the illegitimate King of Israel, instead of and against Jesus the rightful King of Israel.

And your scriptures? Doug,

Marilyn.
 
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Marilyn, who is the righteous branch?

Who is the abominable branch?

Isaiah 14:
19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

Doug,

If you read the context that is referring to the King of Babylon, and by the law of double reference, also Lucifer / Satan.

Marilyn.
 
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Rev 2:9  "I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.
 



Rev 3:9  Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie—indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you.
 

1Jn 2:22  Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 
1Jn 2:23  Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also. 



Hi BABerean,

Thank you for those scriptures, however we can see they are written in relationship to so called believers who say they are Jews but are not & are of Satan.

As to the term `antichrist,` we see from scripture the qualifications - denying the Jesus is the Christ. The lawless one does this, thus he is an antichrist person.

Marilyn.
 
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Well than God somebody has it right.
It's even prophesied that the anti-Christ invades jerusalem, I just have to remember where....

Hi Hal,

Daniel 11: 41,

`He (king of the North) shall also enter the Glorious Land....`

Ps, thanks for tying to make Doug accountable for those scriptures.

regards, Marilyn.
 
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It is a bit odd that the man of sin would also be called "the king of Babylon." Nebuchadnezar was called "king of kings" too in another passage. Saddam was "the king of Babylon" too, and believed he was the reincarnation of Nebuchadnezzar......

Hi Hal,

not really as the lawless one, the final Gentile leader of the Global Government, will be `possessed` by Satan. he will have his centre of government in the rebuilt Babylon. (now in progress)

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I don't believe in a global government, I say his center is the dome of the Rock complex.

Hi Hal,

It`s already here & will keep that for another thread or you could check out my `Global government` blog. Have to go, be back later,

Marilyn.
 
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I don't believe in a global government,

At one time CBS newsman Walter Cronkite was considered "the most trusted man in America".

Watch below to see what he said about world government.

Also, notice the lady who congratulates him for winning the award given by the World Federalist Association, at the end of the video.

 
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Nowhere in Scripture do we find a singularized capital A Antichrist. In the passages in 1 John 2, 1 John 4, and 2 John 1 in which the word appears, it is decapitalized, in recognition that it does not refer to a singularized individual. This is reinforced in 1 John 2:18, which speaks of many antichrists. The remaining passages in 1 John and 2 John describe the characteristics whereby an antichrist can be recognized.

Nevertheless, professing dispensationalists virtually universally subscribe to the doctrine of a singular Antichrist. What remains conspicuously untold is the history of the doctrine's origin and proliferation.

Into the second half of the 16th century, the Protestant Reformation was experiencing notable success in casting off the spiritual chains characterizing the papal Roman, i.e Roman Catholic (RC), empire’s Dark Ages. Two of the foundational proclamations upon which said success rested were: (1) The just shall live by faith; and (2) The papacy is an antichrist. For these, particularly the latter, multitudes of Reformation leaders and followers ultimately paid with their lives. Evidence for the latter was recognized from prophecies in Daniel and Revelation; from the RC church’s own arrogated title for the pope, VICARIVS FILII DEII (Latin for Vicar of the Son of God); and for the pope’s own direct claims (Pope Pius XI, “I am God on the earth.”).

Notable also is the sum of the Latin numerals in VICARIVS FILII DEII of 666, which may or may not be considered to be of significance.

The RC church’s own foundations were crumbling under the Reformation onslaught, and the necessity for a counter strategy was being exigently recognized. Francisco Ribera (1537-1591), a priest within the RC order of the Jesuits, was commissioned with the task. He responded by producing a 500 page commentary which speculated upon a single future Antichrist who would abolish Christianity, claim to be God, and conquer the world. This was the beginning of the counter-Reformation doctrines of futurism which became intrinsic to contemporary dispensationalism.

Ribera’s futurism was further disseminated within RC ranks by Italian cardinal Robert Bellarmine (1542-1621), and became official RC dogma.

For a further two centuries, however, only the RC church subscribed to the futurist position. Then in 1826-1830, Samuel Maitland (1792-1866), librarian to the Archbishop of Canterbury, became the first Protestant to adopt it. Disbelieving that the papacy was in the prophecies, he was contemptuous of much of the Reformation.

James Todd (1805-1869), professor of Hebrew at Trinity College in Dublin, became a subsequent ecclesiologically prominent adherent. Others began to follow.

Concurrent with these developments were the appearance and rise of Darbyism and the doctrines of modern dispensationalism originated by its founder John Nelson Darby. Futurism was recognized as being a fully compatible and welcome addition, and was quickly integrated. The result was an interpretive system overwhelmingly oriented to futurized speculation and conjecture, with minimal to no regard for the historic prophetic wisdom and sacrifices of the Reformers of old.

This system ultimately spread globally, and prevails in evangelicalism today.

Historical Reformation prophetic fulfillment is anathema to dispensational futurized speculation. Until historical Reformation truth is recognized and reclaimed, the delusion and deception of a futurized singularized Antichrist will continue to be perpetuated.

If Christ hasn't yet returned that means His return is yet in the future. Therefore, we expect that Christ will return in the future and set up His Kingdom like He promised
 
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What youve just described is your entire argument. Christ was the Jewish Messiah therefore the anti-Messish will be a Jew.

Not such good hermeneutics.
Oh, using the exact verses from the bible, from the new testament, which in the text itself refer back to the Tanach verses that the messiah would be the King of Israel riding into Jerusalem on a donkey - is not good hermeneutics to you? The problem is that you can't rebutt what I wrote - but aren't willing to alter your view.

The person would not be called the Anti-Christ if it were not rooted in the biblical concept of "the" Christ, "the" messiah. Which you refuse to accept the biblical concept of "the" Christ, "the" messiah, from the text of the bible itself. And from what any Jewish site will likewise say.
 
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Doug,

If you read the context that is referring to the King of Babylon, and by the law of double reference, also Lucifer / Satan.

Marilyn.
Marilyn, is Satan - a man? As it says of the person in Isaiah 14:16 "... Is this the man..."

No, Satan is not a man, but Satan it says elsewhere entered Judas to carry out that act of betrayal of Jesus. Judas being called the son of perdition.

The man of sin is likewise called the son of perdition.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

It is likely for the same reason as why Judas was called the son of perdition, because Satan entered him,
that the Antichrist, the person thinking that he has achieved God-hood, be entered into by Satan to carry out the act of betrayal, the transgression of desolation.

Which in Ezekiel 28:1-10, God has the person killed for it. So Satan and the man of sin, he possesses, find themselves in hell, the place of the unsaved dead, in Isaiah 14... before being cast out.
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Regardless, it does not apply to Satan or the king of Babylon as being a fit - that the person is likened to an abominable branch. Nor because he destroys his land and his people.
 
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Marilyn, is Satan - a man? As it says of the person in Isaiah 14:16 "... Is this the man..."

No, Satan is not a man, but Satan it says elsewhere entered Judas to carry out that act of betrayal of Jesus. Judas being called the son of perdition.

The man of sin is likewise called the son of perdition.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

It is likely for the same reason as why Judas was called the son of perdition, because Satan entered him,
that the Antichrist, the person thinking that he has achieved God-hood, be entered into by Satan to carry out the act of betrayal, the transgression of desolation.

Which in Ezekiel 28:1-10, God has the person killed for it. So Satan and the man of sin, he possesses, find themselves in hell, the place of the unsaved dead, in Isaiah 14... before being cast out.
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Regardless, it does not apply to Satan or the king of Babylon as being a fit - that the person is likened to an abominable branch. Nor because he destroys his land and his people.

Hi Douggg,

The descriptions in Isa. 14 go far transcend any earthly king and (as I said before) by the law of double reference reveal the original power and beauty of the greatest angel ever created by God. The same can be said of the person in Ezekiel 28.

So we both agree that Satan will enter the lawless one and he will thus be possessed by Satan.

Marilyn.
 
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