Bible Myth #3 We are all sinners

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No people are born sinless. We are born into a world where
we are not in constant communion with God all all times like
in Paradise or Heaven.

We are born into a sin condition just as a fish is born wet.
None are dry, no not one.


I can't speak to your conclusion that we can judge God
and hold Him responsible for our Sins and it's His fault.
That is a poor conclusion.

remember that it is written everything God created/made was entirely good and there was nothing bad/evil in His creation/creatures (Genesis 1:31), if we claim that God created/made or has caused there to be sin and death in the world, then we can thus only make Him out to be guilty of sin and death (1 John 1); let's say there is a creator of robots, and he creates robots from scratch, and every robot he has made didn't even have a mind to wish to be created before it was made, and if that creator has caused there to be something wrong with the robots so that they cause harm to one another, who will be the causer of the war between those robots?!, so the true God cannot afford to be a causer of evil, otherwise humans could easily judge Him for all evil(s) that has(-ve) ever befallen them, and He would have no proof that He is innocent

what is sin?!, the first man and the first woman had lived in paradisaical garden where there was nothing bad/evil before the day in which satan seduced them into starting and continuing to practice esotericism/occultism, and since the day of the Fall there have always been humans to commit spiritual unrighteousness/lawlessness/wickedness, humans such as: adam, cain, lamech, the nephilim, ham, the babylonians, etc. - in fact, there had been only a short time after the "flood", during which there was no sin and death in the world just as there was no evil before the day adam and eve sinned for the first time, which is why in the book Revelation there is mention of a time for which the "beast" was not in the world (Revelation 17:8), so sin is, first of all, spiritual unrighteousness/lawlessness/wickedness, which is the original sin, the sin of the sins, the evil of evils, the cause of the causes, the iniquity of iniquities, vanity of vanities, etc., and people that have committed spiritual unrighteousness/lawlessness/wickedness are the ones through whom sin and death have entered into and settled down in the world, which is why Jesus said "woe to you" to no one but only to people that committed spiritual unrighteousness/lawlessness/wickedness (in that case there had been scribes, pharisees, sadducees and other jews in israel, which is why we can see Him saying in the Gospels "woe to (you)" to/about scribes, pharisees, and other suchlike jews), because if there was no spiritual unrighteousness/lawlessness/wickedness in the world, nor would there be any other evil therein...

so we the believers have the obligation to work for overall salvation and life's provision in the true Lord God, not to condemn/doom people to suffer/die, because the purpose of faith is that all people and souls in general be provided with abundant and eternal life in God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ - in principle, faith is not for other purposes, nor should it be used for any other purpose, which is why as St James, the Apostle, says:

James 1:27 (AKJV) "Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world."

the "fatherless" are the irreligious and non-occult people (because they don't even know/believe there is a God(Heavenly Father), spiritual realm, etc.), while the "widows" are spiritual/religious people that have somehow weakened/become weak, either spiritually or physically (because there have been believers that have suffered shipwreck in regard to their faith - 1 Timothy 1:19 - IOW, they had lost the full protection of their "husband" - Hosea 2:19-20, 2 Corinthians 11:2), so we have to work for overall salvation to abundant and eternal life in the true Lord God without condemning/dooming people or souls to suffer, die, etc.

Blessings
 
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remember that it is written everything God created/made was entirely good and there was nothing bad/evil in His creation/creatures (Genesis 1:31), if we claim that God created/made or has caused there to be sin and death in the world, then we can thus only make Him out to be guilty of sin and death

You are leaving out how man was kicked out
of that paradise the the gates sealed. This explains
your confusion. No humans were directly
created after that event. Its a different ball game
outside of paradise.
 
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have you ever had children?! - what you preach here is just a betrayal; Jesus says categorically that the Kingdom of God belongs to the children and adult people that are pure in heart like the children (Mark 10:13-16), and everyone who exchanges the perfect truth for a lie is a traitor betraying their neighbor/brother (Romans 1:22-25); according to people like you no one will inherit abundant and eternal life, because all people and souls are sinners (as if everything the true God created is unclean of itself?! - Romans 14:14-20, and as if He is guilty of everything He ever did?! - 1 Timothy 4:1-5), as if you never read from the Bible that there had also been righteous/holy people that worked for overall salvation and have been resurrected and taken up in glory, i.e. serving the true God is a matter of working for overall salvation to abundant and eternal life in Him, including in His Son Jesus Christ, while condemning others is just a satanic deed/work, so some people work only for salvation, while others work for non-salvation and destruction for many, and why?!?!, who benefits from that?!, who are the sons of salvation and who are the sons of destruction ultimately?!

so if, God forbid, you are very sick and need a physician/doctor to treat/heal you, and no matter how many hospitals/clinics you visit, everywhere doctors/physicians tell you that they treat/cure only insiders, and not outsiders, i.e. that doctors treat/cure only doctors and important people such as politicians, how will you react to that?!, especially if, God forbid, your beloved person needs urgent treatment/cure?!, so everything God made made it for the common good (1 Corinthians 12:7), or why did Jesus Christ drive clerics out of the temple?!, because they performed clergy services only against payment and if there was a poor person that had no money to pay them, they simply didn't perform any service for them, and on top of that the clergy services they offered were quite esoteric/occult rather than only holy (as the services of those that are mentioned in Acts 19:13-16), and this is called "unrighteousness/iniquity" in the Bible, because what is the meaning of the word "equality"?! - after all, the word "iniquity" is actually another word for "inequality"; at the very least you know that if many people have a medical support for their families, but you don't —— for yours, you will be inclined to think and say that such a thing is not fair; so the Bible is not a book only for scanners, but the Word that is recorded in it is just a "seed"(outline/draft), and there is a need for deep insight on the part of those who read it, which is possible through true faith in the One Who is really the true Lord God (the seed must be cultivated, IOW, the outline must be developed)

Blessings
I think God did, by His word, declare all nations and people unclean


(That's what Haggai 2 says )
 
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You are leaving out how man was kicked out
of that paradise the the gates sealed. This explains
your confusion. No humans were directly
created after that event. Its a different ball game
outside of paradise.

who told you that the Garden of Eden has been closed for humans?!, the fact that God has placed the Cherubim and the "Flaming Sword" to allow only good/harmless enough souls to enter/live there doesn't mean that the Garden of Eden has been closed for all humans

God created only the first man and the fist woman from soil, and made them multiply saying "be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it", though He is still the creator of every human being through the biological processes (of pregnancy in the wombs of the pregnant women)

Blessings
 
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I think God did, by His word, declare all nations and people unclean

(That's what Haggai 2 says )

there have also been righteous people, or hadn't e.g. Enoch, Abraham, Joseph, Moses, Elijah, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Jesus Christ and His true disciples, etc. been righteous?! - haven't They been a righteous nation of God?!

Haggai speaks of unrighteousness of principalities, nations, people, etc., i.e. of how God will remove unrighteousness/wickedness from the world, but this doesn't mean that there have been no righteous kingdom, nation, people, etc.

Blessings
 
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who told you that the Garden of Eden has been closed for humans?!, the fact that God has placed the Cherubim and the "Flaming Sword" to allow only good/harmless enough souls to enter/live there doesn't mean that the Garden of Eden has been closed for all humans

God created only the first man and the fist woman from soil, and made them multiply saying "be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it", though He is still the creator of every human being through the biological processes (of pregnancy in the wombs of the pregnant women)

Blessings

There is no scripture here to comment on.
 
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so we have to work for overall salvation to abundant and eternal life in the true Lord God without condemning/dooming people or souls to suffer, die, etc.

Jesus did enough work for everyone's faults.
No more is needed.
 
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There is no scripture here to comment on.

there is scripture, but you don't know it

Or perhaps man.

the matter at hand was sin and death or evil in general, the true God created the first man and the first woman from soil making them entirely good/righteous - and that nature (that He set in them) is still the original nature of every human being

Jesus did enough work for everyone's faults.
No more is needed.

Jesus as well as each of His true disciples had been a very active and effective Savior, or if They did not save all those thousands of people, wouldn't they (continue to) suffer and untimely die?!, or if there were no doctors and surgeons to cure the sick and save their lives, would all those people be cured of their diseases and their health problems be resolved?!, so it is even obvious that there is a need for (the) spiritual servants to work for overall salvation...

Blessings
 
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the matter at hand was sin and death or evil in general, the true God created the first man and the first woman from soil making them entirely good/righteous - and that nature (that He set in them) is still the original nature of every human being

God only created two people directly. After that, humans needed to reproduce
and it is much more painful and error prone with diseases passing directly to
all offspring.
 
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the matter at hand was sin and death or evil in general, the true God created the first man and the first woman from soil making them entirely good/righteous - and that nature (that He set in them) is still the original nature of every human being

1 Corinthians 15
20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Romans 8
21 that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.
22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until the present time.
23 Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.
 
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God only created two people directly.

how do you know it is so?!, how can there be a process in the universe that is not performed by something or someone?!, i don't think that all those complex biological processes going on in my body are not performed by God

After that, humans needed to reproduce
and it is much more painful and error prone with diseases passing directly to
all offspring.

diseases are simply a result of the activity of the system of spiritual lawlessness/wickedness in a situation of lack of true faith in the world

Jesus is the sole savior, as the scriptures foretold.

Jesus is the main Saviour among human beings, but would there be salvation for all those people presented in the Bible as saved by the holy apostles if the holy apostles didn't work for their salvation?!, and would so many sick people be cured if there were no doctors/physicians/surgeons or true spiritual servants to cure them?!

1 Corinthians 15
20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Romans 8
21 that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.
22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until the present time.
23 Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.

ok, the adam's sinful generation has brought sin and death to the world, but the true disciples of Jesus had not only waited for God to do one thing or another, but also worked very actively for overall salvation in Him

Blessings
 
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Jesus is the main Saviour among human beings, but would there be salvation for all those people presented in the Bible as saved by the holy apostles if the holy apostles didn't work for their salvation?!, and would so many sick people be cured if there were no doctors/physicians/surgeons or true spiritual servants to cure them?!
Jesus is the sole savior, as the scriptures foretold.
 
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diseases are simply a result of the activity of the system of spiritual lawlessness/wickedness in a situation of lack of true faith in the world

Death came into the world through Adam alone.
 
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how do you know it is so?!, how can there be a process in the universe that is not performed by something or someone?!, i don't think that all those complex biological processes going on in my body are not performed by God

God rested on day 7 and was finished creating. Did not go back to work on Monday.
 
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Jesus is the sole savior, as the scriptures foretold.

to be more precise, God the Father plus Jesus Christ, but this doesn't mean that there would be salvation for thousands of people if the Saints of God and Jesus had not worked for it - read the book Acts and you will see how many people were saved through Peter, Paul and other Saints - hadn't they also been saviors after all?!

Death came into the world through Adam alone.

if sin and death entered into and settled down in the world only through adam, then they would no longer be in the world after his death...

God rested on day 7 and was finished creating. Did not go back to work on Monday.

He has finished His work on creating the universal creation since the sixth-seventh day, but this doesn't mean that He has stopped working since then

Sin is separation from God.

let's say there is a man that is somehow separated from God but doesn't cause evil to any soul/person at all, and another one that is not separated from God in the way the other one is but causes evil to his neighbor, which of these two men sins?! - what i am trying to imply is that there is a very essence of sin, namely evil itself, not just a separation...

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God rested on day 7 and was finished creating. Did not go back to work on Monday.
That is an interesting question. I don't know why we are talking about it though.

2 Corinthians 5:17

17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!

also,
John 5:17 In his defense Jesus said to them, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working."
 
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2 Corinthians 5:17
17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here! also,
John 5:17 In his defense Jesus said to them, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working."

Other than the wine, Jesus was not seen doing much creating. Eyes maybe.
 
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