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Can a necromancer make contact with the dead?
By the way, the witch of vendor?
Did she also pretend to be terrified when she made contact with Samuel?
The Witch of Endor and what happened to Samuel for trying to communicate with a necromancer? He was struck dead.
 
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Due to recent finds in Egypt the word Lucifer was mistaken as the devil and actually was applied to the King of Bablon due to the misunderstanding of the word Lucifer because of errant Christian dogma and has persisted even upto the present time. God controls everything and He created the destroying angel of God to destroy Jerusalem until God stayed the deatroying angels hand to quit the destruction. Who do you think destroyed the first born of Egypt? Who do you think caused the destruction of Sodom?
But weren't the people in Sodum sinners and wicked? While Satan is described as causing people to be wicked and deceiving them? how about the angel God sent by the doors in Egypt? Weren't those people wicked wasn't pharaoh wicked?
 
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The Witch of Endor and what happened to Samuel for trying to communicate with a necromancer? He was struck dead.
1 Samuel 28

Please review God's Word

Are you purposely distorting God's word

Or is it that you just don't know that you are offering incorrect information?

Samuel, who was dead already, was summoned by Saul through this "necromancer"

Samuel was okay
Saul and the witch of Endor would be going to another place (Unless of course they repented and were forgiven of their black arts)
 
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Let me make this easy for you....where in your bible does it state that Satan was a cherub named Lucifer?

Show us.
Isaiah 14:12-13King James Version (KJV)

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I also find this interesting Lucifer is referenced as falling from heaven and so is Satan as if they are one in the same.
Luke 10:18

“And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.” Comment: also when you finish mowing your lawn I'll probably be in church around then so will be a while until I reply to what your reply will be so ye just a heads up.
 
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He Man?

Was the witch of endor "imitating" samuels voice?

And did she make contact with a spiritual realm?

If you read 1 Samuel 28, you will see that the witch knew very well that she was doing something very wrong and she asked Saul for his word that she would not be harmed

Unfortunately she found out that Saul was no better than she was and could not promise her anything
 
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But weren't the people in Sodum sinners and wicked? While Satan is described as causing people to be wicked and deceiving them? how about the angel God sent by the doors in Egypt? Weren't those people wicked wasn't pharaoh wicked?
Exactly that is why God was the one who destroyed them and why Noah had to build a ship because God destroyed all the wicked world. The mythical devil of yours was not involved because God destroyed all the evil.
 
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Exactly that is why God was the one who destroyed them and why Noah had to build a ship because God destroyed all the wicked world. The mythical devil of yours was not involved because God destroyed all the evil.
No that's not what I'm saying... to suggest God uses Satan as you seem to be saying doesn't make sense because Satan makes people wicked and operates through them while the death angel and God himself destroys or beings them to repentance.
 
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No that's not what I'm saying... to suggest God uses Satan as you seem to be saying doesn't make sense because Satan makes people wicked and operates through them while the death angel and God himself destroys or beings them to repentance.
God does not use a satanic devil to carry out His plans, He uses his own Angels. Did you not read the accounts I gave you? God employed His own Angels just like in Job where He employs one of the Son's of God to test Job and the Angel açts as a prosecutor without any power other than to test Job. The whole book of Job is a parable and Job says that twice.
 
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Is'nt that what a ventriloquist does?
A ventriloquist is a puppet being used

I guess, yes
That is exactly how Satan uses superstitious men who do not recognize that the voice they are listening to isnt God's
 
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A ventriloquist is a puppet being used
I guess, yes
That is exactly how Satan uses superstitious men who do not recognize that the voice they are listening to isnt God's
A ventriloquist is the one who makes it appear as if it were someone else talking as you said "a puppet" or other dead object. It is something imagined to be a magical spell or or in modern day terminology we call them fortune teller and in stead of a puppet they use a crystal ball, cards, small bones. Some are voodoo's who use tricks and phony ideas.
The real One in charge is the Angel of God who utterly destroys. 1Ch 21:12, 1Ch 21:15
 
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..... not sure whats worse... walking in Spirit alone and not truth or relying on outside sources without spiritual discernment. LOok if the word was made flesh it's essential the word is the base... and outside sources uses as a support for the base... you can't equate an outside source with the word of God

Walking in Spirit alone? = Not truth?

I don't go to a temple. I am a temple.

When you are a temple, the Holy Spirit lives with you. You seek, it reveals. You are responsible to seek on your own, not by others. To not see this means lack of faith (in Spirit). To believe that we are misled. Jesus made a promise, I see it and follow it.

I place my faith in understanding Christ. I can read as well as "church leaders". If I am wrong, I can blame myself. Who do I blame if "church leaders" are wrong?

Paul says:
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

I see their idols. Maybe you don't. They idolize flesh.

Paul says:
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

So do you go where men say God is? Does this not bother you:

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

How do you know the will of the Father, when a man calls himself father? Ignorance. You see father and not Father. One physical one spiritual. Unless you hate the flesh, the spirit evades you.

When you understand spirit, you will hate the flesh and fleshly things. This is the Gospel.

There is the "church" (of men) and there is a closet. Which does Christ tell you to go to seek the will of the Father?

We don't follow Christs flesh. He hated his flesh. We follow his Word (Truth). He spoke spirit, not flesh.
 
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No that's not what I'm saying... to suggest God uses Satan as you seem to be saying doesn't make sense because Satan makes people wicked and operates through them while the death angel and God himself destroys or beings them to repentance.
No that's not what I'm saying... to suggest God uses Satan as you seem to be saying doesn't make sense because Satan makes people wicked and operates through them while the death angel and God himself destroys or beings them to repentance.
If God destroyed all the wicked in Noah's time where did your imaginary wicked thing come from for only God hath immortality.
 
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But weren't the people in Sodum sinners and wicked? While Satan is described as causing people to be wicked and deceiving them? how about the angel God sent by the doors in Egypt? Weren't those people wicked wasn't pharaoh wicked?
The OT is the stories of the liar and murderer. This god judged and murdered.

God the Father (of Jesus) neither judges nor murderers.

Leave this god behind, or you will suffer the fate of the Jews who followed him. Death.

Jesus revealed him. This god killed/kills his own.

When the Jews said God was their father, Jesus said:

John:
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

The Jews kill. Christians don't kill. They'd rather die, as they know the truth that death is life in Christ. We follow Christs example. The flesh profits NOTHING.
 
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Isaiah 14:12-13King James Version (KJV)

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I also find this interesting Lucifer is referenced as falling from heaven and so is Satan as if they are one in the same.
You've ripped these two verses out of context.

JackRT explains that here, so I'm not gonna rehash it:
Superstitious people
 
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You haven't read any history have you?

I have. Have you?

When you are a Christian you don't murder. If you call yourself a Christian and murder, the name is stripped from you (by God).

If one goes down into the water and comes up without having received anything, and says "I am a Christian," he has borrowed the name at interest. But if he receives the Holy Spirit, he has the name as a gift. He who has received a gift does not have to give it back, but of him who has borrowed it at interest, payment is demanded. This is the way it happens to one when he experiences a mystery.

The chrism is superior to baptism, for it is from the word "Chrism" that we have been called "Christians," certainly not because of the word "baptism". And it is because of the chrism that "the Christ" has his name. For the Father anointed the Son, and the Son anointed the apostles, and the apostles anointed us. He who has been anointed possesses everything. He possesses the resurrection, the light, the cross, the Holy Spirit. The Father gave him this in the bridal chamber; he merely accepted (the gift). The Father was in the Son and the Son in the Father. This is the Kingdom of Heaven. -Gospel of Philip

A follower of Christ can see the ignorance of those who professed one god and followed another.

I assume you are speaking of the men who followed the catholic ideology.
 
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Walking in Spirit alone? = Not truth?

I don't go to a temple. I am a temple.

When you are a temple, the Holy Spirit lives with you. You seek, it reveals. You are responsible to seek on your own, not by others. To not see this means lack of faith (in Spirit). To believe that we are misled. Jesus made a promise, I see it and follow it.

I place my faith in understanding Christ. I can read as well as "church leaders". If I am wrong, I can blame myself. Who do I blame if "church leaders" are wrong?

Paul says:
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

I see their idols. Maybe you don't. They idolize flesh.

Paul says:
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

So do you go where men say God is? Does this not bother you:

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

How do you know the will of the Father, when a man calls himself father? Ignorance. You see father and not Father. One physical one spiritual. Unless you hate the flesh, the spirit evades you.

When you understand spirit, you will hate the flesh and fleshly things. This is the Gospel.

There is the "church" (of men) and there is a closet. Which does Christ tell you to go to seek the will of the Father?

We don't follow Christs flesh. He hated his flesh. We follow his Word (Truth). He spoke spirit, not flesh.
Do you know what the body of christ is speaking spiritually
 
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