Superstitious people

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

Basically, you're saying "man you should follow the books the catholics taught and not any of the other books that many Christians died to protect".

If the word of God is Jesus, why listen to anything else? The Holy Spirit of wisdom has it's place, to reveal truth in Christ.

Guess what?
John:
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

Does it testify of Moses? Abraham? Paul? The apostles?

Jesus is in the Canon. Jesus is outside of Canon. The big picture is revealed from both. The Bible is for those who have not enough faith in the spirit to lead them. Their faith is in man, not spirit, because they haven't learned of the spirit. If they had, they would be free, as Jesus said. But they are slaves to physical thought, beautiful clothing, big buildings, lots of people, physical images like statues and crosses, and on and on.

Matthew:
20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

..... not sure whats worse... walking in Spirit alone and not truth or relying on outside sources without spiritual discernment. LOok if the word was made flesh it's essential the word is the base... and outside sources uses as a support for the base... you can't equate an outside source with the word of God

 

[unbelievable1]

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Do you believe in witches? Do you believe in Jenn? Do you believe in Halloween? How about Casper the ghost? Do you think we should burn witches at the stake? Do you believe in Endor witches? Do you believe in the Salem burning of witches? What is the difference between your devil witch and these?

I believe Satan influences superstitious men who know of god but do not grow in their knowledge of him and therefore can not properly discern God's voice from the voice of the enemy

Which is why they are willling to entertain (as Isaiah 8 explains) the voices of dead (spirits) over the Living One

 

[Brother Daniel 210]

I think Paul said it best:

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

I think ladders, mirrors, etc. have as much power as water does in a baptism. None.

Physical things have no spiritual power. Superstition is just misplaced faith, not of the Father. Ignorance of Truth.

I almost totally agree with you except when it comes to the power of water especially when it comes to the spiritual side of things but first let me ask you. Why do you believe water has no spiritual power when it comes to baptism

 

[Brother Daniel 210]

In biblical times it was believed that most, if not all, disease was caused by demonic possession or evil spirits. Modern medicine has discovered the true nature of most diseases and in many cases a cure as well.

Mark 1:34

 

[Brother Daniel 210]

The bible is the word of God. The word came down from God to dwell among us. The only way to have Jesus in your heart which is your Mind is to study His word. In order to get to heaven you have to be born again of the spirit and water John 3:5

Ephesians 3:16,17
So that Christ may dwell in your heart's. Your mind.

Galatians 5:22-23
The fruit of the spirit

2 Corinthians 3:18

1 Corinthians 2:6-16
The way to be reborn of the spirit is to study the word of God the more we study the BIBLE the more we become like Christ, the more our spirit looks like him. Cause if it doesn't there will be no place for us in heaven

 

[Brother Daniel 210]

Evil is not from a devil, evil is within your own heart for you to decide how to control it. The myth of a satan or devils is disproved by all modern ways of reading the Bible, and from History. Look at what happened to the vagabond Jews, exorcists, who thought they had power to expel demons. Acts 19:13 then look at what happened verse 15 yhey fled out of that house naked and wounded...

I don't know if people are really still getting posessed but I do know James 4:7 resist the devil and he will flee from you. He will tempt you of your own lust and that lust becomes sin and sin brings on death a separation from God. Yes the heart of man is wicked and deceitful that is why we must study the word diligently keep it on our mind so that we stay in right standing with God. But don't for a second believe Satan an his angels dont exist. What better way to deceive someone than to appeal to them. There is no modern way to read the bible it was the same then as it is now and will always be. There is NO private interpretation of the prophecy of the scripture.
2 Peter 1:20-21
Hebrews 13:8-9
Isaiah 59:1,2

 

[Brother Daniel 210]

lets compare the two verses shall we


Acts 17:24King James Version (KJV)
24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

2 Corinthians 4:4King James Version (KJV)
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.



Key differences

1. Acts 17 clarifies ahead of time that they are referencing the one God by saying this "made the world and all things therein" but 2nd corinthians 4:4 doesn't do that for "god" .


ConclusioN: The biggest reason this argument has no weight is becuase God is referneced here as "LORD of heaven and Earth" not "god (little g) of this world. To translate that phrase into simple english he's saying he's ruler of heaven and Earth not that he is of the earth.

Lord in Hebrew= Master, owner

Lord in Greek= Master, Owner


So if you were to translate Lord of heaven and Earth it would say this.


"Master of heaven and Earth" not that he's a "little g" god who is of the earth

1 John 2:16King James Version (KJV)
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.


I never disputed the fact that God is described as the creator of the World or Master of the world... in fact I even said the bible describes him that way.


I challenged you to find where the bible just describes him as being god of this world... not only as god of this world but with a "little g" which indicates below supreme as well in the verse. This verse ironically does neither.

The WORLD is not the earth
Just like the CHURCH is not the building
Man has got these wrong by his mind being on flesh instead of spiritual things

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

The WORLD is not the earth

? What is it

 

[Brother Daniel 210]

? What is it

The world is made up of the people who know not God

 

[Brother Daniel 210]

? What is it

More specifically the unbeliever

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

The world is made up of the people who know not God

Ooo I see what you're saying now I agree

 

[Brother Daniel 210]

Ooo I see what you're saying now I agree

Something a preacher said one Sunday that made me see everything different. Is that God is a spirit he appeals to the mind not to the flesh. After that it all started to make sense lol

 

[he-man]

I believe Satan influences superstitious men who know of god but do not grow in their knowledge of him and therefore can not properly discern God's voice from the voice of the enemy

Which is why they are willling to entertain (as Isaiah 8 explains) the voices of dead (spirits) over the Living One

Satan? They were ventriloquists, soothsayers, necromancers, who imitated voices as though the voices were from the dead and from the same Satan mythical suggestion of the witches of Endor.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

Satan? They were ventriloquists, soothsayers, necromancers, who imitated voices as though the voices were from the dead and from the same Satan mythical suggestion of the witches of Endor.

I just can't understand... how you deny Satan.... if Satan is clearly in scripture.... I just don't get it....

 

[GeorgeJ]

The Kingdom of Darkness is not an imaginary fairy tale. Satan has spirits as servants and soldiers within these groups are specialists "Truth Stealing Birds" is a description of a type of demonic specialists that are able to remove the truth about God before it is fully imbedded in a person.

So, take a parable from the Bible and invent things based upon a metaphor Jesus used?

Yup....sounds and smells like superstition to me.

 

[JackRT]

I just can't understand... how you deny Satan.... if Satan is clearly in scripture.... I just don't get it....

God didn't create Satan, man did. Satan (ha'shaitan) occurs by name in the Old Testament in the Book of Job, and here it's clear that Satan is not the Devil! The Devil is supposedly banished from the presence of God, yet in Job, Satan is allowed to talk with and to come and go from God's presence and on a mission for God yet! What's going on? Satan here is not "the Devil" but sort of God's prosecuting attorney. There is a very common perception that the 'Lucifer' in Isaiah 14:12ff refers to Satan, the supernatural personification of evil. This misconception comes from two sources. The first is wishful thinking in the sense that it is nice to think that 'the Enemy' will get his come-uppance eventually. The second has to do with the old caution that scripture is to be read only 'in context'. This requires going back and reading all of Isaiah 13 and the earlier verses in Isaiah 14. When this is done we suddenly realize that scripture is not speaking of a supernatural Satan at all but of a Babylonian king with an immense ego. Read Isaiah 14: " 4 you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon:" What follows is a long rant against this oppressive king filled with numerous reference to his human nature like Isaiah 14: "16 Those who see you stare at you, they ponder your fate: Is this the man who shook the earth and made kingdoms tremble, 17 the man who made the world a desert, who overthrew its cities and would not let his captives go home?" This passage is in no way a reference to Satan or the devil. The Jews did not originally believe in devils but they picked up this concept during the Babylonian Exile from the Persians who followed Zoroastrianism. The Zoroastrians believed in both a god of good (Ahura-Mazda) and a god of evil (Ahrulman) engaged in a cosmic struggle. The Jews picked up and ran with this idea. It was easy to cast YHWH in the role of the God of good. They took also the angel ha'shaitan (Satan) in the book of Job and recast that character as Satan the near divine force of evil. Up to that time, their concept of God was of a being responsible for everything, both good and evil. Isaiah 45:7 is just one quote that demonstrates this. The Jews never connected Satan to the serpent in the Garden of Eden. It was the second-century Christian martyr, Justin of Samaria, who was first to argue that Satan appeared as a serpent to tempt Adam and Eve to disobey God.

 

[he-man]

I don't know if people are really still getting posessed but I do know James 4:7 resist the devil and he will flee from you. He will tempt you of your own lust and that lust becomes sin and sin brings on death a separation from God. Yes the heart of man is wicked and deceitful that is why we must study the word diligently keep it on our mind so that we stay in right standing with God. But don't for a second believe Satan an his angels dont exist. What better way to deceive someone than to appeal to them. There is no modern way to read the bible it was the same then as it is now and will always be. There is NO private interpretation of the prophecy of the scripture.
2 Peter 1:20-21
Hebrews 13:8-9
Isaiah 59:1,2

Have you read James 1:14 Every man is tempted when he is drawn away by his OWN lusts!

 

[he-man]

I don't know if people are really still getting posessed but I do know James 4:7 resist the devil and he will flee from you. He will tempt you of your own lust and that lust becomes sin and sin brings on death a separation from God. Yes the heart of man is wicked and deceitful that is why we must study the word diligently keep it on our mind so that we stay in right standing with God. But don't for a second believe Satan an his angels dont exist. What better way to deceive someone than to appeal to them. There is no modern way to read the bible it was the same then as it is now and will always be. There is NO private interpretation of the prophecy of the scripture.
2 Peter 1:20-21
Hebrews 13:8-9
Isaiah 59:1,2

Have you read James 1:14 Every man is tempted when he is drawn away by his OWN lusts!

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

God didn't create Satan, man did. Satan (ha'shaitan) occurs by name in the Old Testament in the Book of Job, and here it's clear that Satan is not the Devil! The Devil is supposedly banished from the presence of God, yet in Job, Satan is allowed to talk with and to come and go from God's presence and on a mission for God yet! What's going on? Satan here is not "the Devil" but sort of God's prosecuting attorney. There is a very common perception that the 'Lucifer' in Isaiah 14:12ff refers to Satan, the supernatural personification of evil. This misconception comes from two sources. The first is wishful thinking in the sense that it is nice to think that 'the Enemy' will get his come-uppance eventually. The second has to do with the old caution that scripture is to be read only 'in context'. This requires going back and reading all of Isaiah 13 and the earlier verses in Isaiah 14. When this is done we suddenly realize that scripture is not speaking of a supernatural Satan at all but of a Babylonian king with an immense ego. Read Isaiah 14: " 4 you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon:" What follows is a long rant against this oppressive king filled with numerous reference to his human nature like Isaiah 14: "16 Those who see you stare at you, they ponder your fate: Is this the man who shook the earth and made kingdoms tremble, 17 the man who made the world a desert, who overthrew its cities and would not let his captives go home?" This passage is in no way a reference to Satan or the devil. The Jews did not originally believe in devils but they picked up this concept during the Babylonian Exile from the Persians who followed Zoroastrianism. The Zoroastrians believed in both a god of good (Ahura-Mazda) and a god of evil (Ahrulman) engaged in a cosmic struggle. The Jews picked up and ran with this idea. It was easy to cast YHWH in the role of the God of good. They took also the angel ha'shaitan (Satan) in the book of Job and recast that character as Satan the near divine force of evil. Up to that time, their concept of God was of a being responsible for everything, both good and evil. Isaiah 45:7 is just one quote that demonstrates this. The Jews never connected Satan to the serpent in the Garden of Eden. It was the second-century Christian martyr, Justin of Samaria, who was first to argue that Satan appeared as a serpent to tempt Adam and Eve to disobey God.

AS I mentioned already this is what happens when you study outside sources before knowing the word of God... you get confused.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

Have you read James 1:14 Every man is tempted when he is drawn away by his OWN lusts!

The Bible Mentions 3 things that are the enemy of an insidivual , The devil (be ye not ignorant of the devils devices), the world, and the flesh. Again if you took time to build a basic understand of The Word before straying into outside sources you wouldn't be this confused man... just read the Bible some alone it will help. Then when you're ready return to other translations, the history of theology, enclopedias, etc.