Superstitious people

[he-man]

look i'm just speaking from my heart man.. this isn't even about debate or nothing.


see Satan isn't scared of religious Christians who just fellowship to themselves and learn the Bible.

He's scared of people who go on the offense and cast out demons, bring people out of drugs, and oppose the enemy... to not believe in him or the impact of sin is only helping him out. He's scared of Christians who actually realize the the word is a sword...that is sharper than any other weapon, and a discerner of thoughts and all intents of the heart.

People were deceived by a similar message with slavery "if you support slavery then don't own a slave" (ironically this same message is used to support abortion) but my point is by not addressing something you just let it continue.


All i'm trying to do is to encourage you to believe in the enemy and really seek a new revelation and new power you can have with God.

I feel led to end it with those words...you can say whatever else you have to say but I encourage and pray that you at least consider the possibility of an opposing force. That you consider that "wicked" in the verse you just utilized goes beyond just a mental state of mind.

Does that include the witches of Endor? How about witches of Halloween?

 

[he-man]

When discussing religious and/or political issues on internet forums it is not unusual to see opinions strongly expressed even to the point of one person calling another person 'a liar'. I think it important to pause to consider exactly what 'a lie' is. My understanding is that a lie is an untruth that is told in the full knowledge that it is an untruth. It is very difficult in an impersonal forum like an internet chat room to know another person's understandings or motivations. I think that sometimes a person will state an opinion not knowing that it is not factually true or even in the firm conviction that it is true. In such a situation the person is not a liar even though they might be totally misinformed. A lie is a very different thing than an untruth.

What is a liar and where does it come from? Romans 1:24-25 ..through the lust of their own hearts.. who changed the truth of God into a lie and worshipped and served creation more than the Creator, who is blessed forever, Amen

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

Does that include the witches of Endor? How about witches of Halloween?

Well considering the fact that Halloween stems from Halloweves which was a celebration in which Christians celebrated dead Christians who fought for the faith that's enough to say Halloween is wrong . But sure you can factor in the fact that you're walking around as a witch when the Bible is against witchcraft. Again your lack of spiritual discernment scares me

 

[he-man]

Now is judgement upon the world. Now is the prince of this world cast out.

John 4:42.and know this is indeed the Christ, the savior of the world. John 13:1 ..When Jesus knew the hour was come that he should depart out of this world, unto the Father..

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

Many profess to have "god(s)" but deny Jesus

Those who do, have neither the Son or the True Father

God by sending his son shut up the mouths of every lying whispering spirit who mutters anything and everything but Jesus and him crucified which is the hidden wisdom of God made known to men

It is why it is written:

Where are your "wisemen" now?
Let them tell what the lord sabboath will do...for He has mixed in them a spirit of dizziness
Which has caused "Egypt" to err in every way

And when they tell you to seek spirits should not a people consult their God?

To the dead for the Living (One)?

Demons and Satan are just lying spirits
And since there is only One Testimony, if these voices whisper anything but the testimony of God they are made manifest who they are: Satan and his demons

i agree with you as to how limited Satan is but clearly even limited he has convinced many to depart the faith and many to not even believe. He's still dangerous

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

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Do you believe in witches? Do you believe in Jenn? Do you believe in Halloween? How about Casper the ghost? Do you think we should burn witches at the stake? Do you believe in Endor witches? Do you believe in the Salem burning of witches? What is the difference between your devil witch and these?

Well for one thing the devil is biblical... the witches in Salem were fake anyone who read the book knows that but for all we know they were influenced by spirits to falsely accuse people and make them go to their deaths

 

[he-man]

Well considering the fact that Halloween stems from Halloweves which was a celebration in which Christians celebrated dead Christians who fought for the faith that's enough to say Halloween is wrong . But sure you can factor in the fact that you're walking around as a witch when the Bible is against witchcraft. Again your lack of spiritual discernment scares me

Do you believe in ghosts that scare people and invade their houses to haunt them

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

Do you believe in ghosts that scare people and invade their houses to haunt them

I believe in spirits that serve Satan yes and I believe it's possible that some of these "ghost" could be these evil spirits. Now am I saying I believe in every Ghost sighting no some are simply faked out to make good TV.

 

[he-man]

Well for one thing the devil is biblical... the witches in Salem were fake anyone who read the book knows that but for all we know they were influenced by spirits to falsely accuse people and make them go to their deaths

Your devil came from fake folklores like the witches of Endor and Milton's Paradise Lost. Your devil did not come from the sky because John 1:1 Says "things which must shortly come to pass" in the future tense and not the past tense applied to Rev. 12:9

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

Does that include the witches of Endor? How about witches of Halloween?

Another thing is read about Jezebel... her god wasn't real yet she still had abilities from spirits. People who worship false gods can end up taking on a spirit or spirits.

 

[he-man]

Another thing is read about Jezebel... her god wasn't real yet she still had abilities from spirits. People who worship false gods can end up taking on a spirit or spirits.

Sorry but it says neocranster and she was talking to herself

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

Sorry but it says neocranster and she was talking to herself

Not sure what you're trying to say here

 

[he-man]

Not sure what you're trying to say here

Jezebel had many witchcrafts the Hebrew is H3875 kesheph meaning sorceries Jer 27:9 uses the same language meaning soothsayer, sorcerer. In 1Ch 10:13 Saul died for his transgressions for asking counsel of a "familiar spirit" against the advice of the Lord. G3132 which means to utter spells under pretence of foretelling by soothsaying so Jezebel had only a false pretense of being able to conjure up spirits of dead people.

 

[Contemporary Historicist]

A metaphor. No such thing as "truth stealing birds".

The Kingdom of Darkness is not an imaginary fairy tale. Satan has spirits as servants and soldiers within these groups are specialists "Truth Stealing Birds" is a description of a type of demonic specialists that are able to remove the truth about God before it is fully imbedded in a person.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

Jezebel had many witchcrafts the Hebrew is H3875 kesheph meaning sorceries Jer 27:9 uses the same language meaning soothsayer, sorcerer. In 1Ch 10:13 Saul died for his transgressions for asking counsel of a "familiar spirit" against the advice of the Lord. G3132 which means to utter spells under pretence of foretelling by soothsaying so Jezebel had only a false pretense of being able to conjure up spirits of dead people.

I agree people don't have the power to summon the dead... but you can end up summoning an demonic spirit a literal real spirit ... which sort of emphasizes what i'm saying about how this stuff is real.


I also disagree that works of evil and darkness should never be taken literally in the bible... I agree sometimes it doesn't work and shouldn't be taken literally but in some cases it does in the bible. enchancements sorcery and whatnot can open up to a demonic influence that can enable one to develop unnatural abilities.

Exodus 7:10-11King James Version (KJV)

10 And Moses and Aaron went in unto Pharaoh, and they did so as the Lord had commanded: and Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh, and before his servants, and it became a serpent.

11 Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments.

 

[he-man]

The Kingdom of Darkness is not an imaginary fairy tale. Satan has spirits as servants and soldiers within these groups are specialists "Truth Stealing Birds" is a description of a type of demonic specialists that are able to remove the truth about God before it is imbedded in fully in a person.

Familiar spirit Hebrew ob necromancer Septuagint "a ventriloquist" literally "seeker of the dead" who by help of the ob, like the witches of Endor, pretended to evoke the dead. Josephus Ant.,vi, 14,2. See in modern terms Life of Benvenuto Cellini

 

[he-man]

I agree people don't have the power to summon the dead... but you can end up summoning an demonic spirit a literal real spirit ... which sort of emphasizes what i'm saying about how this stuff is real
I also disagree that works of evil and darkness should never be taken literally in the bible... I agree sometimes it doesn't work and shouldn't be taken literally but in some cases it does in the bible. enchancements sorcery and whatnot can open up to a demonic influence that can enable one to develop unnatural abilities.

Exodus 7:10-11King James Version (KJV)

10 And Moses and Aaron went in unto Pharaoh, and they did so as the Lord had commanded: and Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh, and before his servants, and it became a serpent.

11 Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments.

Get real! The Septugint defines it as "ventriloquist" to imitate the voice of familiar persons of which class was the witch of Endor.Josephus Ant., vi.,14, 2 and even in modern times see, the Life of Benvenuto Cellini

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

Get real! The Septugint defines it as "ventriloquist" to imitate the voice of familiar persons of which class was the witch of Endor.Josephus Ant., vi.,14, 2 and even in modern times see, the Life of Benvenuto Cellini

...man you need to stop looking at outside sources so much and instead look more at your bible.

you're so confused by the sources you reference or historical evethat you can't take literal scriptures literally. It says they did the same....and it's even acceptable by most "christians" that they did so... against Moses and Aaron

Sure other sources are good like commentaries and encyclopedias but if it gets to the point where you rely on those over the Word of God that becomes a problem.

 

[Phantasman]

Familiar spirit Hebrew ob necromancer Septuagint "a ventriloquist" literally "seeker of the dead" who by help of the ob, like the witches of Endor, pretended to evoke the dead. Josephus Ant.,vi, 14,2. See in modern terms Life of Benvenuto Cellini

Excellent synopsis, he-man, as I read this exchange. Didn't the Hebrews use death and destruction as a tool of belief? The first being if Adam ate the fruit.

Death, and fear of it, isn't Gospel. How many times did Jesus use death in the positive? Or Paul?

It just reminds me of a non Canon scripture from James:

The Lord answered and said: "Truly I say to you, none will be saved unless they believe in my cross. But those who have believed in my cross, theirs is the Kingdom of God. Therefore, become seekers for death, just as the dead who seek for life, for that which they seek is revealed to them. And what is there to concern them? When you turn yourselves towards death, it will make known to you election. In truth I say to you, none of those who are afraid of death will be saved. For the Kingdom of God belongs to those who have put themselves to death.

From the beginning death/fear has been used to drive men. But Jesus says that death isn't the end, but the beginning. It's the beginning a Christian should seek.

 

[Phantasman]

...man you need to stop looking at outside sources so much and instead look more at your bible.

you're so confused by the sources you reference or historical evethat you can't take literal scriptures literally. It says they did the same....and it's even acceptable by most "christians" that they did so... against Moses and Aaron

Sure other sources are good like commentaries and encyclopedias but if it gets to the point where you rely on those over the Word of God that becomes a problem.

Basically, you're saying "man you should follow the books the catholics taught and not any of the other books that many Christians died to protect".

If the word of God is Jesus, why listen to anything else? The Holy Spirit of wisdom has it's place, to reveal truth in Christ.

Guess what?
John:
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

Does it testify of Moses? Abraham? Paul? The apostles?

Jesus is in the Canon. Jesus is outside of Canon. The big picture is revealed from both. The Bible is for those who have not enough faith in the spirit to lead them. Their faith is in man, not spirit, because they haven't learned of the spirit. If they had, they would be free, as Jesus said. But they are slaves to physical thought, beautiful clothing, big buildings, lots of people, physical images like statues and crosses, and on and on.

Matthew:
20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.