Catholic vs. Protestant Christianity

[Korean-American Christian]

Thank you for your passionate comment. What if a catholic believes in Jesus as his/her savior and also believes in doing good? Will this person also go to the Heaven because he/she believes in Jesus?

Without a doubt, if a Catholic believes in Jesus as his or her Savior, he or she will definitely go to Heaven and spend eternity with God

 

[Albion]

The OP asked what Catholics believe, however, not what we who reply believe ourselves.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Without a doubt, if a Catholic believes in Jesus as his or her Savior, he or she will definitely go to Heaven and spend eternity with God

Does that link salvation with knowledge? If you don't know you cant be saved?

For instance, natives that have no contact with the outside world.

Forgive me...

 

[Goatee]

Without a doubt, if a Catholic believes in Jesus as his or her Savior, he or she will definitely go to Heaven and spend eternity with God

But not if they continue to sin or live an evil life.

 

[Korean-American Christian]

6. Does Catholic really teach that non-believers who do good things also go to heaven?

Both Pope John Paul II and Pope Francis (not sure about Benedict) have said that people who are good enough and haven't heard about Jesus can possibly still be saved. They have also said that Muslims worship the same God as Christians. This has, obviously, led to much confusion.

HRDJ, yes....the Catholic Church really teaches that non-believers who do good things can go to Heaven

I respectfully disagree with Catholic teaching....only people who have a relationship with Jesus Christ will go to Heaven.

HRDJ, Muslims DO NOT worship the same God as Christians.

Allah, the god of the Muslims, is NOT the one true God that Christians worship

 

[Korean-American Christian]

But not if they continue to sin or live an evil life.

Goatee, I completely agree with you.

All people must maintain an active relationship with Jesus Christ in order to enter Heaven.

To develop and maintain an active relationship with Jesus Christ, a person must first turn away from their evil lifestyle (repentance)

 

[Korean-American Christian]

Does that link salvation with knowledge? If you don't know you cant be saved? For instance, natives that have no contact with the outside world.

That is correct, my dear brother.

Those who have not heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ cannot be saved.

For this reason, it is our responsibility to complete the Great Commission that Jesus gave to us

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

That is correct, my dear brother.

Those who have not heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ cannot be saved.

For this reason, it is our responsibility to complete the Great Commission that Jesus gave to us

I'm pointing out the scholastic trap.

We would disagree on that. What about the law written upon their hearts? Romans 2.

Forgive me...

 

[HRDJ]

Without a doubt, if a Catholic believes in Jesus as his or her Savior, he or she will definitely go to Heaven and spend eternity with God

But not if they continue to sin or live an evil life.

Thank you for your replies.
Mr. Goatee (I am assuming this person is he, if wrong, please forgive me) has brought up a point I never thought of.

I know many ministries and pastors have committed unspeakable crimes, such as rapes and abuses. I am not saying Catholic priests didn't do it either. If those Christians who believe in Jesus as their savior but still commits crimes even after they believed in Jesus, do they still go to Heaven?

For an extreme case, if a devout Christian kills many many people even after he/she accepted Jesus as his/her savior and this killer repents and asks for forgiveness to Jesus, does this person go to Heaven?

I know you (any one who would answer this) are not Jesus or the God or have been to the Heaven, but what are your thoughts on this? I am just curious. I have never thought of it that way before.

HRDJ, yes....the Catholic Church really teaches that non-believers who do good things can go to Heaven

I respectfully disagree with Catholic teaching....only people who have a relationship with Jesus Christ will go to Heaven.

HRDJ, Muslims DO NOT worship the same God as Christians.

Allah, the god of the Muslims, is NOT the one true God that Christians worship

Yes, I agree with you on the Muslim part, but if you could, can you tell me why you think Muslim does not worship the same God? I read some history books about religions and it said the Muhammad got words from Gabriel, the angel, and the Muslim book (Quran?) also talks about Jesus and the Adam and Eve.....I know they shouldn't believe Muhammad as the messiah or anything important, but what would be your reason for saying it? It seems to me that you know a lot about Christianity, so if you could share, that would be great.

 

[amariselle]

But not if they continue to sin or live an evil life.

24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.

25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. - Hebrews 7: 24-25

14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. - Romans 7:14-25

See also Galatians 5

1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;

9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. - Ephesians 1:1-14


8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. - 1 John 1:8-10

1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. - 1 John 2:1-2

 

[amariselle]

Goatee, I completely agree with you.

All people must maintain an active relationship with Jesus Christ in order to enter Heaven.

To develop and maintain an active relationship with Jesus Christ, a person must first turn away from their evil lifestyle (repentance)

"Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God..." - Hebrews 6:1

 

[Adstar]

My Advice to anyone is to read the Gospels and believe Jesus and trust 100% in the atonement Jesus secured for your salvation..

I am confident that if people read the Gospels and compare them to the catholic doctrines they will soon become aware that the catholic religion is not Christian..

 

[Goatee]

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Sin, and sin and sin and forget to ask God to forgive you and take advantage of the Fact that Jesus died for us then you will surely go to hell.

 

[HRDJ]

See also Galatians 5

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:



9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Thank you for your Bible verses to clearify my doubts...Just few more thing...Um...so, we should be holy and without blame before him in love (I got that part). So also if we sin and wants to be holy and without blame before him, we must confess our sin so he would forgive us.

Um, then I can commit a sin and just confess to be okay with all? (Not that I will commit a sin in purpose or anything like that). Can a bad man who do all the bad things in the life can just confess and repent before he dies, and go the heaven?
(This question sounds like something a non-christian would ask...but I am just really curious.)

My friend said a real christian who accepted Jesus in his/her heart wouldn't commit crimes, so if somone so bad is out there and claims to accept Jesus as his savior, that would not be true.
Is that also kind of explanation for it?

 

[Goatee]

My Advice to anyone is to read the Gospels and believe Jesus and trust 100% in the atonement Jesus secured for your salvation..

I am confident that if people read the Gospels and compare them to the catholic doctrines they will soon become aware that the catholic religion is not Christian..

That is YOUR opinion but we must remember that the OP has to find out for himself which way God wants him to go!

 

[Korean-American Christian]

If those Christians who believe in Jesus as their savior but still commits crimes even after they believed in Jesus, do they still go to Heaven? For an extreme case, if a devout Christian kills many many people even after he/she accepted Jesus as his/her savior and this killer repents and asks for forgiveness to Jesus, does this person go to Heaven?

A person says that he is a Christian, but he commits rape and murders people....this person is NOT a TRUE Christian.

a TRUE Christian will NOT commit rape after he accepts Jesus as his Savior....

a TRUE Christian will NOT commit murder people after he accepts Jesus as his Savior

 

[Adstar]

That is YOUR opinion but we must remember that the OP has to find out for himself which say God wants him to go!

And my advice to the OP is that the will of God is revealed in the Bible in the Gospels and reading that will guide Him in the right Way to Go...

 

[Goatee]

Judas believed in Jesus but then committed a MASSIVE sin by betraying him.

 

[Adstar]

A person says that he is a Christian, but he commits rape and murders people....this person is NOT a TRUE Christian.

a TRUE Christian will NOT commit rape after he accepts Jesus as his Savior....

a TRUE Christian will NOT commit murder people after he accepts Jesus as his Savior

Taking this to it's logical end means you are preaching that a ""True Christian"" will not sin after accepting Jesus as his Savior... Any sin is sin Right??? Jesus said if you hate another person you have commited murder in your heart.. and if you even lust after a woman then you have already commited adultry with her.. Yes all sin is sin to God.. So by your very own preaching you condemn yourself because you can be assured that you have sinned after you accepted Jesus as your savior

 

[Adstar]

Judas believed in Jesus but then committed a MASSIVE sin by betraying him.

Judas did not Believe Jesus... No one is saved by believing that Jesus exists,, Satan believes Jesus exists and he is destined to be cast into the eternal lake of fire.. Salvation comes by believing Jesus and trusting 100% in the atonement he secured for them to be saved...