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It's not really complicated.

1Jn 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law:
(FOR SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW)

Rom. 4:15
Because the law worketh wrath:
(FOR WHERE NO LAW IS, THERE IS NO TRANSGRESSION)
What law? The law to wear tassels? The law to keep holy certain days or is it the law Jn is referring to in 1Jn3:19-24? You know, the ones John tells us we are doing right if we love Jesus and love others as He asks us to do?
 
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What law? The law to wear tassels? The law to keep holy certain days or is it the law Jn is referring to in 1Jn3:19-24? You know, the ones John tells us we are doing right if we love Jesus and love others as He asks us to do?
All of it aside from the things Jesus completed. Jesus was our ultimate sacrifice, so we have no need for them. As far as holy judges collecting together for council for stoning, Christ is our judge, and it'd be kind of impossible to seek his advice in council for stoning. So since stoning required godly ordained men to weigh out the situation, and we have no godly ordained men, we can't fulfill those either. There are laws that require certain things that - being in dispersion - we can't fulfill. But there's plenty of laws we can still keep today whilst we're scattered.
 
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Rom. 8:3
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh,
God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh,
(AND FOR SIN),
(CONDEMNED SIN IN THE FLESH)
True :)

1 John 1-2
8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

2:1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
:amen:

Yours and His,
David
p.s. - I've been here for over 15 yrs, and I've attempted to communicate in English, Greek, Hebrew, Latin, French, German and Spanish (and even Swedish a couple of times), but this is the first time I've ever tried to have an ongoing 2-way conversation via Scripture-speak. It reminds me of one of the Star Trek Next Gen episodes :D ^_^
 
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That's synonymous with what I am saying.
To an extent. It sounded as if you were doing away with the law in your post. All too often today you hear people preach loving God and being obedient, but they do away with God's law, and act as if they still have have something to be obedient to.

If that's not what you meant, my apologies brother!
 
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1 John 1-2
8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

2:1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
:amen:

Yours and His,
David
p.s. - I've been here for over 15 yrs, and I've attempted to communicate in English, Greek, Hebrew, Latin, French, German and Spanish (and even Swedish a couple of times), but this is the first time I've ever tried to have an ongoing 2-way conversation via Scripture-speak. It reminds me of one of the Star Trek Next Gen episodes :D ^_^


1Jn 3:5,6
5) And ye know that (HE WAS MANIFESTED TO TAKE AWAY OUR SINS); and in him is no sin.
6) (WHOSOEVER ABIDETH IN HIM SINNETH NOT):
(WHOSOEVER SINNETH HATH NOT SEEN HIM, NEITHER KNOWN HIM)
 
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1 John 1-2
8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

2:1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
:amen:

Yours and His,
David
p.s. - I've been here for over 15 yrs, and I've attempted to communicate in English, Greek, Hebrew, Latin, French, German and Spanish (and even Swedish a couple of times), but this is the first time I've ever tried to have an ongoing 2-way conversation via Scripture-speak. It reminds me of one of the Star Trek Next Gen episodes :D ^_^

Are you saying what I think your saying?
Could you expand on your underlined portions? :scratch:
 
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Are you saying what I think your saying?
Could you expand on your underlined portions? :scratch:

To sin is to break the law, and it's impossible for us to keep the whole of the law. The verse you linked about abiding in Christ - since he was the word - it literally means that whoever abides in Christ doesn't sin. Not that they don't break the law, but that they don't make it a practice. They don't desire to be lawless and therefore are righteous, because of what and who they desire. The what being obedience (love) and the who being God (faith).
 
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Absolutely universal

“as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE; THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD; ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE." "THEIR THROAT IS AN OPEN GRAVE, WITH THEIR TONGUES THEY KEEP DECEIVING," "THE POISON OF ASPS IS UNDER THEIR LIPS "; "WHOSE MOUTH IS FULL OF CURSING AND BITTERNESS "; "THEIR FEET ARE SWIFT TO SHED BLOOD, DESTRUCTION AND MISERY ARE IN THEIR PATHS, AND THE PATH OF PEACE THEY HAVE NOT KNOWN." "THERE IS NO FEAR OF GOD BEFORE THEIR EYES."”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:10-18‬ ‭NASB‬‬

All-pervasive

In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. - 2 Corinthians 4:4

The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. - Genesis 6:5

39 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me,
40 yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life. - John 5:39-40

Irrational

Selling the birthright for a bowl of soup.

Plus, I think we can fill up pages to give evidence of this.

Deceitful

But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called "today," that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. - Hebrews 3:13

Claiming to be wise, they became fools, - Romans 1:22

Hardening

Also Hebrews 3:13

through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, - 1 Timothy 4:2

Enslaving

Jesus answered them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who practices sin is a slave to sin. - John 8:34

so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. - Romans 5:21

Debasing

But these, like irrational animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and destroyed, blaspheming about matters of which they are ignorant, will also be destroyed in their destruction, - 2 Peter 2:12

But these people blaspheme all that they do not understand, and they are destroyed by all that they, like unreasoning animals, understand instinctively. - Jude 1:10

Defiling

20 And he said, "What comes out of a person is what defiles him.
21 For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery,
22 coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness.
23 All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person." - Mark 7:20-23

Did that which is good, then, bring death to me? By no means! It was sin, producing death in me through what is good, in order that sin might be shown to be sin, and through the commandment might become sinful beyond measure. - Romans 7:13

In my opinion, some of those scriptures are about a people that are long dead, blood thirsty and crucifying any in their path. Not all of those scriptures apply directly to mankind today.

The animal nature clearly still applies though. Man has to learn to be intellectual instead of instinctual.
 
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As I've grown in Christ I sin (less) but, my sin bothers me (more).

Sanctification process.
Not easy at times.
But, I wish to finish the good race.

Sin I think should sicken a Christian.
I'm getting awful tired of mine.

M-Bob
 
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Are you saying what I think your saying?
Could you expand on your underlined portions? :scratch:
Hi Jim, shall I continue our Scripture-speak form of communication and post part of Romans 7 in reply? Just kidding (I have to admit that it was fun though :D).

The portions I underlined seem self-explanatory, but I'll try to elaborate a bit (while making assumptions about what you believe .. please forgive me if I am wrong about those).

ALL of 1 John was written to Christians, including everything written in Chapter 1 (which is made abundantly clear by 1 John 2:1's, "My little children, I am writing these things to you.........." cf 1 John 2:12-14).

So v9 should be understood as follows:

1 John 1
9 If we
[Christians] confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

I do not believe that we lose our salvation when we sin as Christians, but we do experience a loss in the kind (or level) of fellowship that we normally enjoy with the Lord whenever we do (which is something that cannot be restored apart from confession, repentance and forgiveness).

To be clear about a similar point, those who "go on sinning willfully" or quickly return to "practicing" the kind of sinful lifestyle they were leading before claiming Christ, should not be considered Christians (no matter what their "claim" is) .. e.g. Hebrews 10:26; 1 John 3:9.

Do you interpret this passage (1 John 1-2) of Scripture differently than I do? If so, please elaborate.

Thanks!

Yours and His,
David

1 John 1-2
8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

2:1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
 
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In my opinion, some of those scriptures are about a people that are long dead, blood thirsty and crucifying any in their path. Not all of those scriptures apply directly to mankind today.

The animal nature clearly still applies though. Man has to learn to be intellectual instead of instinctual.
Which scriptures apply to people in another time, but not to us?
 
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Which scriptures apply to people in another time, but not to us?

I'll quote the OP:

"WHOSE MOUTH IS FULL OF CURSING AND BITTERNESS "; "THEIR FEET ARE SWIFT TO SHED BLOOD, DESTRUCTION AND MISERY ARE IN THEIR PATHS, AND THE PATH OF PEACE THEY HAVE NOT KNOWN." "THERE IS NO FEAR OF GOD BEFORE THEIR EYES."”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:10-18‬ ‭NASB‬‬

"All-pervasive "...

"The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." - Genesis 6:5

There's two from the OP that don't really apply. Noahs time was a brutal world, and same with Christ's time. Our society is not perfect here in the states, but we are a much more Godly people than the blood thirsty past, even the dark ages are gone for most of the civilized world, save for some people, which are a minority compared to those that obey the laws, and the constitutional rights of others. We don't murder, steal or commit adultery for the most part without going to jail or punished.

I see a lot of focusing on sin, and perhaps it would be better to focus on good things. It's easy to point out faults in people, but to point out the good in people, that should be of more interest to the people of the forums I think. For instance, our growth as a people that respect the rights of others, that is a good thing.

I guess I just think focusing on sin is good only to identify that a sin is committed, but far better is a solution that leads to not repeating the sin.
 
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I'll quote the OP:

"WHOSE MOUTH IS FULL OF CURSING AND BITTERNESS "; "THEIR FEET ARE SWIFT TO SHED BLOOD, DESTRUCTION AND MISERY ARE IN THEIR PATHS, AND THE PATH OF PEACE THEY HAVE NOT KNOWN." "THERE IS NO FEAR OF GOD BEFORE THEIR EYES."”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:10-18‬ ‭NASB‬‬

"All-pervasive "...

"The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." - Genesis 6:5

There's two from the OP that don't really apply. Noahs time was a brutal world, and same with Christ's time. Our society is not perfect here in the states, but we are a much more Godly people than the blood thirsty past, even the dark ages are gone for most of the civilized world, save for some people, which are a minority compared to those that obey the laws, and the constitutional rights of others. We don't murder, steal or commit adultery for the most part without going to jail or punished.

I see a lot of focusing on sin, and perhaps it would be better to focus on good things. It's easy to point out faults in people, but to point out the good in people, that should be of more interest to the people of the forums I think. For instance, our growth as a people that respect the rights of others, that is a good thing.

I guess I just think focusing on sin is good only to identify that a sin is committed, but far better is a solution that leads to not repeating the sin.
That's really...misguided maybe? There's no way to even read a newspaper today and come to that conclusion. Or maybe if you ignore the Sermon on the Mount you could make that argument.
 
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That's really...misguided maybe? There's no way to even read a newspaper today and come to that conclusion. Or maybe if you ignore the Sermon on the Mount you could make that argument.

Strange that you would say misguided. Doesn't it appear guided by God to see the good in the world. Good knows good, and evil knows evil.

Like I said in another thread. The US government forces the people to pay taxes for the poor. And that is a humanitarian Godly action. Providing housing, money for clothes, and food, etc. That's good and you will see it in the news. Not that the media doesn't try to force evil down your throat with reports of the good works of countries and people.

When I watch the news, I see stories about heroes, honoring the military, compassion for natural disaster survivors, cures of diseases, welfare programs, etc. That's some good off the top of my head :)
 
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Absolutely universal

“as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE; THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD; ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE." "THEIR THROAT IS AN OPEN GRAVE, WITH THEIR TONGUES THEY KEEP DECEIVING," "THE POISON OF ASPS IS UNDER THEIR LIPS "; "WHOSE MOUTH IS FULL OF CURSING AND BITTERNESS "; "THEIR FEET ARE SWIFT TO SHED BLOOD, DESTRUCTION AND MISERY ARE IN THEIR PATHS, AND THE PATH OF PEACE THEY HAVE NOT KNOWN." "THERE IS NO FEAR OF GOD BEFORE THEIR EYES."”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:10-18‬ ‭NASB‬‬

All-pervasive

In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. - 2 Corinthians 4:4

The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. - Genesis 6:5

39 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me,
40 yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life. - John 5:39-40

Irrational

Selling the birthright for a bowl of soup.

Plus, I think we can fill up pages to give evidence of this.

Deceitful

But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called "today," that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. - Hebrews 3:13

Claiming to be wise, they became fools, - Romans 1:22

Hardening

Also Hebrews 3:13

through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, - 1 Timothy 4:2

Enslaving

Jesus answered them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who practices sin is a slave to sin. - John 8:34

so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. - Romans 5:21

Debasing

But these, like irrational animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and destroyed, blaspheming about matters of which they are ignorant, will also be destroyed in their destruction, - 2 Peter 2:12

But these people blaspheme all that they do not understand, and they are destroyed by all that they, like unreasoning animals, understand instinctively. - Jude 1:10

Defiling

20 And he said, "What comes out of a person is what defiles him.
21 For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery,
22 coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness.
23 All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person." - Mark 7:20-23

Did that which is good, then, bring death to me? By no means! It was sin, producing death in me through what is good, in order that sin might be shown to be sin, and through the commandment might become sinful beyond measure. - Romans 7:13
Sure we can't be righrouess but those who have the Holy Ghost gain the ability to. The Bible also says no man is good yet peter says in 1 peter I believe that you can add virtue through the Spirit on the inside. Also how does missing the mark refer to perfection. The Bible says to "press towards the mark for a prize of a high calling of God in Christ Jesus... so if I get a high calling I'm perfect? Missing the mark should be seen as a failure not just not doing something as well as you can.
Romans 6:18 King James Version (KJV)
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
 
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