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Irrational
Selling the birthright for a bowl of soup.
Plus, I think we can fill up pages to give evidence of this.
Sad, but true
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Irrational
Selling the birthright for a bowl of soup.
Plus, I think we can fill up pages to give evidence of this.
What law? The law to wear tassels? The law to keep holy certain days or is it the law Jn is referring to in 1Jn3:19-24? You know, the ones John tells us we are doing right if we love Jesus and love others as He asks us to do?.
It's not really complicated.
1Jn 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law:
(FOR SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW)
Rom. 4:15
Because the law worketh wrath:
(FOR WHERE NO LAW IS, THERE IS NO TRANSGRESSION)
Sin is only ever described as the breaking of God's law. Because God's judgement is perfect, and any wandering away from that perfection is sin.Sin is any unloving act towards God or our fellow man.
Sin is only ever described as the breaking of God's law. Because God's judgement is perfect, and any wandering away from that perfection is sin.
All of it aside from the things Jesus completed. Jesus was our ultimate sacrifice, so we have no need for them. As far as holy judges collecting together for council for stoning, Christ is our judge, and it'd be kind of impossible to seek his advice in council for stoning. So since stoning required godly ordained men to weigh out the situation, and we have no godly ordained men, we can't fulfill those either. There are laws that require certain things that - being in dispersion - we can't fulfill. But there's plenty of laws we can still keep today whilst we're scattered.What law? The law to wear tassels? The law to keep holy certain days or is it the law Jn is referring to in 1Jn3:19-24? You know, the ones John tells us we are doing right if we love Jesus and love others as He asks us to do?
True.
Rom. 8:3
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh,
God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh,
(AND FOR SIN),
(CONDEMNED SIN IN THE FLESH)
To an extent. It sounded as if you were doing away with the law in your post. All too often today you hear people preach loving God and being obedient, but they do away with God's law, and act as if they still have have something to be obedient to.That's synonymous with what I am saying.
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1 John 1-2
8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
2:1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
Yours and His,
David
p.s. - I've been here for over 15 yrs, and I've attempted to communicate in English, Greek, Hebrew, Latin, French, German and Spanish (and even Swedish a couple of times), but this is the first time I've ever tried to have an ongoing 2-way conversation via Scripture-speak. It reminds me of one of the Star Trek Next Gen episodes
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1 John 1-2
8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
2:1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
Yours and His,
David
p.s. - I've been here for over 15 yrs, and I've attempted to communicate in English, Greek, Hebrew, Latin, French, German and Spanish (and even Swedish a couple of times), but this is the first time I've ever tried to have an ongoing 2-way conversation via Scripture-speak. It reminds me of one of the Star Trek Next Gen episodes
Thats why we distill the new wine and then age it for at least 3 years. Makes it uskebeaghe.Whoredom and wine and new wine take away the heart. - Hosea 4:11
Are you saying what I think your saying?
Could you expand on your underlined portions?
Absolutely universal
“as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE; THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD; ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE." "THEIR THROAT IS AN OPEN GRAVE, WITH THEIR TONGUES THEY KEEP DECEIVING," "THE POISON OF ASPS IS UNDER THEIR LIPS "; "WHOSE MOUTH IS FULL OF CURSING AND BITTERNESS "; "THEIR FEET ARE SWIFT TO SHED BLOOD, DESTRUCTION AND MISERY ARE IN THEIR PATHS, AND THE PATH OF PEACE THEY HAVE NOT KNOWN." "THERE IS NO FEAR OF GOD BEFORE THEIR EYES."”
Romans 3:10-18 NASB
All-pervasive
In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. - 2 Corinthians 4:4
The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. - Genesis 6:5
39 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me,
40 yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life. - John 5:39-40
Irrational
Selling the birthright for a bowl of soup.
Plus, I think we can fill up pages to give evidence of this.
Deceitful
But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called "today," that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. - Hebrews 3:13
Claiming to be wise, they became fools, - Romans 1:22
Hardening
Also Hebrews 3:13
through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, - 1 Timothy 4:2
Enslaving
Jesus answered them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who practices sin is a slave to sin. - John 8:34
so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. - Romans 5:21
Debasing
But these, like irrational animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and destroyed, blaspheming about matters of which they are ignorant, will also be destroyed in their destruction, - 2 Peter 2:12
But these people blaspheme all that they do not understand, and they are destroyed by all that they, like unreasoning animals, understand instinctively. - Jude 1:10
Defiling
20 And he said, "What comes out of a person is what defiles him.
21 For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery,
22 coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness.
23 All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person." - Mark 7:20-23
Did that which is good, then, bring death to me? By no means! It was sin, producing death in me through what is good, in order that sin might be shown to be sin, and through the commandment might become sinful beyond measure. - Romans 7:13
Hi Jim, shall I continue our Scripture-speak form of communication and post part of Romans 7 in reply? Just kidding (I have to admit that it was fun though ).Are you saying what I think your saying?
Could you expand on your underlined portions?
Which scriptures apply to people in another time, but not to us?In my opinion, some of those scriptures are about a people that are long dead, blood thirsty and crucifying any in their path. Not all of those scriptures apply directly to mankind today.
The animal nature clearly still applies though. Man has to learn to be intellectual instead of instinctual.
Which scriptures apply to people in another time, but not to us?
That's really...misguided maybe? There's no way to even read a newspaper today and come to that conclusion. Or maybe if you ignore the Sermon on the Mount you could make that argument.I'll quote the OP:
"WHOSE MOUTH IS FULL OF CURSING AND BITTERNESS "; "THEIR FEET ARE SWIFT TO SHED BLOOD, DESTRUCTION AND MISERY ARE IN THEIR PATHS, AND THE PATH OF PEACE THEY HAVE NOT KNOWN." "THERE IS NO FEAR OF GOD BEFORE THEIR EYES."”
Romans 3:10-18 NASB
"All-pervasive "...
"The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." - Genesis 6:5
There's two from the OP that don't really apply. Noahs time was a brutal world, and same with Christ's time. Our society is not perfect here in the states, but we are a much more Godly people than the blood thirsty past, even the dark ages are gone for most of the civilized world, save for some people, which are a minority compared to those that obey the laws, and the constitutional rights of others. We don't murder, steal or commit adultery for the most part without going to jail or punished.
I see a lot of focusing on sin, and perhaps it would be better to focus on good things. It's easy to point out faults in people, but to point out the good in people, that should be of more interest to the people of the forums I think. For instance, our growth as a people that respect the rights of others, that is a good thing.
I guess I just think focusing on sin is good only to identify that a sin is committed, but far better is a solution that leads to not repeating the sin.
That's really...misguided maybe? There's no way to even read a newspaper today and come to that conclusion. Or maybe if you ignore the Sermon on the Mount you could make that argument.
Sure we can't be righrouess but those who have the Holy Ghost gain the ability to. The Bible also says no man is good yet peter says in 1 peter I believe that you can add virtue through the Spirit on the inside. Also how does missing the mark refer to perfection. The Bible says to "press towards the mark for a prize of a high calling of God in Christ Jesus... so if I get a high calling I'm perfect? Missing the mark should be seen as a failure not just not doing something as well as you can.Absolutely universal
“as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE; THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD; ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE." "THEIR THROAT IS AN OPEN GRAVE, WITH THEIR TONGUES THEY KEEP DECEIVING," "THE POISON OF ASPS IS UNDER THEIR LIPS "; "WHOSE MOUTH IS FULL OF CURSING AND BITTERNESS "; "THEIR FEET ARE SWIFT TO SHED BLOOD, DESTRUCTION AND MISERY ARE IN THEIR PATHS, AND THE PATH OF PEACE THEY HAVE NOT KNOWN." "THERE IS NO FEAR OF GOD BEFORE THEIR EYES."”
Romans 3:10-18 NASB
All-pervasive
In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. - 2 Corinthians 4:4
The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. - Genesis 6:5
39 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me,
40 yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life. - John 5:39-40
Irrational
Selling the birthright for a bowl of soup.
Plus, I think we can fill up pages to give evidence of this.
Deceitful
But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called "today," that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. - Hebrews 3:13
Claiming to be wise, they became fools, - Romans 1:22
Hardening
Also Hebrews 3:13
through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, - 1 Timothy 4:2
Enslaving
Jesus answered them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who practices sin is a slave to sin. - John 8:34
so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. - Romans 5:21
Debasing
But these, like irrational animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and destroyed, blaspheming about matters of which they are ignorant, will also be destroyed in their destruction, - 2 Peter 2:12
But these people blaspheme all that they do not understand, and they are destroyed by all that they, like unreasoning animals, understand instinctively. - Jude 1:10
Defiling
20 And he said, "What comes out of a person is what defiles him.
21 For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery,
22 coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness.
23 All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person." - Mark 7:20-23
Did that which is good, then, bring death to me? By no means! It was sin, producing death in me through what is good, in order that sin might be shown to be sin, and through the commandment might become sinful beyond measure. - Romans 7:13