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Thanks for cherry picking and proving my point.
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Thanks for cherry picking and proving my point.
Totally incorrect, brother. Revelation tells us (Ch 5 vs 6-8) 'that seemed to have been slain. He had seven horns and seven eyes; these are the [seven] spirits of God sent out into the whole world.He came and received the scroll from the right hand of the one who sat on the throne.When he took it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each of the elders held a harp and gold bowls filled with incense, which are the prayers of the holy ones.The Bible nowhere instructs believers in Christ to pray to anyone other than God.
The Bible nowhere encourages or even MENTIONS believers asking individuals in Heaven for their prayers.
Some believe that those who are glorified in Heaven have MORE "direct access" to God than we do.
Therefore, if a saint delivers a prayer to God on our behalf, it is MORE effective than us praying to God directly.
This concept is blatantly un-Biblical.
Hebrews 4:16 tells us that we, believers here on earth, can "approach the throne of grace with confidence."
My dear sisters and brothers, what is your opinion/view on this?
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We have from the start, even before Christ came to us asked each other to pray for us. We today do this, I am asked and I ask it of others
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It' all over the 72 books, though. Psalms 141:2, for example, shows the prayers as incense, and Revelation several places shows that the saints in heaven take that prayer-as-incense-to God.My dear sister, I completely agree with you. Asking saints to intercede for us to God is found NOWHERE in the 66 books of the Bible
What kind of clothes we are to wear isn't anywhere in the Bible either. What does that mean-that we should not wear clothes?My dear friend, praying to saints....or asking saints to pray FOR us is NOT found anywhere in the 66 books of Scripture.
Didn't mean to yell at you....I just wanted to emphasize certain words
Totally incorrect, brother. Revelation tells us (Ch 5 vs 6-8) 'that seemed to have been slain. He had seven horns and seven eyes; these are the [seven] spirits of God sent out into the whole world.He came and received the scroll from the right hand of the one who sat on the throne.When he took it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each of the elders held a harp and gold bowls filled with incense, which are the prayers of the holy ones.
Rev 8:4, as well.
So there are the saints in heaven with prayers from the holy on Earth.
No, WORSHIP is something to be restricted to God alone. Prayer means to ask for something, as in an English court-I pray thee, your honor, to grant my request.
It' all over the 72 books, though. Psalms 141:2, for example, shows the prayers as incense, and Revelation several places shows that the saints in heaven take that prayer-as-incense-to God.
Nowhere in the Bible does it say taking heroin is bad.
Not all truth is in the Bible.
Nobody worships saints.
No, WORSHIP is something to be restricted to God alone. Prayer means to ask for something, as in an English court-I pray thee, your honor, to grant my request.
For the same reason we ask our brothers and sisters on earth to pray for us. Because it's good to pray for others. Can we really do anything for the one requesting the prayer?My dear brother Seth, while it is true that we ask other Christians to pray for us....why would we need to ask people who are already in Heaven to pray for us/intercede on our behalf when we as individuals can pray directly to God our Father?
Not really, if you believe that those in heaven (which are the holy of God) are alive...My dear brother, the incense of Revelation that you mention and praying to people who are already in Heaven are two completely different things.
Apples and oranges, if you will.....
Wrong. The Bible has everything one needs to know to understand that heroin is bad. All truth is in the Bible and nowhere else. Those who keep parts of corpses of "saints" and kiss them and pray to them, clearly worship them in the most direct sense of the word. Pagan idolatry.
To the bolded, we believe there is power in association, and something that literally touched someone we consider holy is powerful. Venerating them (which is different from the worship due to God) is something else. Also, nowhere are we required to do something like that. We are required to worship God.Wrong. The Bible has everything one needs to know to understand that heroin is bad. All truth is in the Bible and nowhere else. Those who keep parts of corpses of "saints" and kiss them and pray to them, clearly worship them in the most direct sense of the word. Pagan idolatry.
Only God is worthy of worship and veneration and prayer. Nobody else.
But heroin, properly used, does have a medical good benefit for some instances. Abuse of such a thing is different.I completely agree....the Bible shows us that substance abuse is bad for the body
But heroin, properly used, does have a medical good benefit for some instances. Abuse of such a thing is different.
To the bolded, we believe there is power in association, and something that literally touched someone we consider holy is powerful. Venerating them (which is different from the worship due to God) is something else. Also, nowhere are we required to do something like that. We are required to worship God.
Hebrews 7.25 is a great verse! all about the sufficiency of Christ and His Cross!To venerate is to worship. If a murderer says, I don't murder I simply take lives, it doesn't change the action and the results the least bit...
LOL OKWrong. The Bible has everything one needs to know to understand that heroin is bad. All truth is in the Bible and nowhere else. Those who keep parts of corpses of "saints" and kiss them and pray to them, clearly worship them in the most direct sense of the word. Pagan idolatry.
Only God is worthy of worship and veneration and prayer. Nobody else.