The Sabbath

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Many of the proverbs demonstrate thesis/antithesis without being directly opposite or contradictory. It's a bible thing.
No, it is your own bias confronted with facts and you lacking an ability to articulate while remaining in harmony with Scripture. To say the OC, which IS THE 10 COMMANDMENTS (again, Deut. 4:13) is the opposite of the NC is saying that whatever is written in the 10... we are to do the opposite. That makes no sense... but just go back to your great explanation and rest there. I am not responding to you on this topic again, this is a waste of time, sorry.
 
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You need to read it all in context. Vs. 1 says the promise remains to enter that rest, vs. 2 includes Israel in the wilderness into the point and says they heard the gospel. Vs. 3 quotes Psalm 95 which is speaking again of Israel in the wilderness and how they didn't enter the rest (the promised land which will be ruled by King Yeshua in the Millennialgym Kingdom), and then it continues....the context is clearly the promised land, the fullness of which Israel has NEVER occupied. The promised land is 10X larger than the current nation of Israel but will be inhabited by all of God's Israel (people) in the Millennial Kingdom. That is when the rest comes, that is when we are perfected and will no longer die, get sick, decay... or watch loved ones go through the same. We belong to God NOW... but we are not in that promised rest YET.

I am ...

Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

You cannot enter into rest (that all the sabbaths testify to (as much as the jubilee of the land does), as does all of creation) unless you have ceased from your own works. It's reflective of the fruit of Cains ground, or what cannot enter into the gates of the city Abraham looked for, which relationally is our soul that we find by losing it.

Hebrews 4:11addresses rest like the kingdom that is at hand; though the kingdom be in us.
 
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I am ...

Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

You cannot enter into rest (that all the sabbaths testify to (as much as the jubilee of the land does), as does all of creation) unless you have ceased from your own works. It's reflective of the fruit of Cains ground, or what cannot enter into the gates of the city Abraham looked for, which relationally is our soul that we find by losing it.

Hebrews 4:11addresses rest like the kingdom that is at hand; though the kingdom be in us.
Before Adam fell, God put the sun, moon and stars in place as a clock, for signs, and also for "feasts." A better word for moedim would be "appointment" (as in, "appointments with God") but the ability to know when they would be was set in place on Day 4 of Creation even though it would be, in the case of most Moedim.... 2000 years before the event would happen that would spawn the need to keep the feast (i.e. there was no "Passover" until the exodus out of Egypt even though the marker for when Passover would be was place in the heavenlies on Day 4 (Genesis 1:14).

My point? The Moedim/appointments/feasts have a historical tie but each and every one of them paints a picture of the work messiah would do. The first appointment/feast listed in Lev. 23 is the weekly Sabbath. It points to the Millennial Kingdom. 6 days we work and sweat and toil and then we rest... and that is a picture of 6000 years of work, sweat, decay, toil and death... and then a 1000 year reign where we rest. About God, Peter said, "a day is as a thousands years and a thousand years a day." This is a declaration that God is eternal and time not relevant to Him as it is us... but also a keygen for prophecy. We see that keygen come into play in the Sabbath example above, and also here...

Hosea 6:2 After two days He will revive us; On the third day He will raise us up, That we may live in His sight.
 
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Before Adam fell, God put the sun, moon and stars in place as a clock, for signs, and also for "feasts." A better word for moedim would be "appointment" (as in, "appointments with God") but the ability to know when they would be was set in place on Day 4 of Creation even though it would be, in the case of most Moedim.... 2000 years before the event would happen that would spawn the need to keep the feast (i.e. there was no "Passover" until the exodus out of Egypt even though the marker for when Passover would be was place in the heavenlies on Day 4 (Genesis 1:14).

My point? The Moedim/appointments/feasts have a historical tie but each and every one of them paints a picture of the work messiah would do. The first appointment/feast listed in Lev. 23 is the weekly Sabbath. It points to the Millennial Kingdom. 6 days we work and sweat and toil and then we rest... and that is a picture of 6000 years of work, sweat, decay, toil and death... and then a 1000 year reign where we rest. About God, Peter said, "a day is as a thousands years and a thousand years a day." This is a declaration that God is eternal and time not relevant to Him as it is us... but also a keygen for prophecy. We see that keygen come into play in the Sabbath example above, and also here...

Hosea 6:2 After two days He will revive us; On the third day He will raise us up, That we may live in His sight.

In accounting for all this (and the things to come), it must be taken into consideration of what the mountain (where a law came forth) became to Israel as a mother, and whose son they were (in relation to the rest of the son we are now) and a story that begins in Genesis), though God found no iniquity or perversness in Jacob.

The passover in type was (from) the foundation of the world, which the end of is (a glory) before the world was; just as the process of time reveals its end as a no remembrance of former things.

The Bible is chaukled full of patterns that find the sum of their beginning and end in one, which is as relational to our soul as Jesus was to God.

Martha waited for a specific day, but even when the day comes it will still be today.
 
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I'll concede a Saturday evening meeting, as this would indicate that they were still working 'six days' at that time.

So Saturday evening isn't really the 1st day of the week? And if they had already been to the synagogue, what need did they have for Paul's preaching? Was Paul filling in what the priests failed to teach? Could it be that he was explaining that the Law had served it's purpose and a new covenant was replacing the old?
Interesting sophistry.
 
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Yes, it is. The Sabbath (7th day) would have begun at sundown Friday evening and lasted until sundown Saturday evening. At which time it becomes the first day. The evening comes first in Scripture, which is somewhat backwards to how our culture treats is today.



Why do you go to church on Sunday night? Why are church doors open Wednesday night? Did the pastor fail on Sunday morning? :) Every day is a day of worship and learning... God set one day apart but that doesn't negate gathering at other times. It was tradition in that day to end the Sabbath with a meal and then some discussion often followed. In this case, Paul taught rather than discussed... that doesn't really have a bearing on the day.



No, and I don't share your view of the law. The mark of the new covenant is the law (same law) being written directly on the heart rather than one stone. To say "the law served it's purpose" would be the same as saying, "homosexuality was once a sin but now it isn't because the law served it's purpose." All the law is, is a collection of what God sees as sin and not sin. There are added judgements for when the Law is being used as civil law... as Israel used it until after Solomon.
No, there's no basis for this in Scripture.
 
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Where did you get that idea? And why are you taking that tone? God said don't steal, so don't steal. The new covenant didn't change laws... it simply includes moving them from the stone to the heart (Ezk. 11:19, Deut. 30:1-6, Hebrews 8:8-11, etc.) and reveals the DEPTH of the laws. For example... it isn't enough to just not perform the ACT of adultery, Yeshua revealed that to lust in the heart is the same thing. Or murder... not enough to just take a life but to HATE a brother is to take his life.
Hebrews 8:8-11 won't support your idea of movement. It says new and not according to. Neither supports the idea the same is transferred to the heart. To say this means those who don't keep the 7th day sabbath aren't Christians. No one proclaiming the sabbath is required keeps it as stated in Exodus 20:8-11.
 
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True, but that reveals the depth of the old covenant laws, not the new. Similarly many believe that the only difference is that;

OC: Thou shalt not steal was a legal imperative.
NC: Thou shalt not steal is a moral imperative.

From a practical point of view how are they different? How do you impute benevolence to the legal or moral imperative? Can we rest in the warm feeling that we did our neighbor no harm? Is this what God means by a 'heart of flesh'?
I ask why does it matter? How can a person murder if they do as Jesus said in John 13:34 or Luke 6:31? Surely no one wants others to murder them.
 
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You still don't get it. The 'heart of flesh' refers to the new covenant, not the old. Lusting and hating are part of the evil nature addressed by the OC "Law". If you break the law you have placed yourself under the law and it's penalty. If you don't sin and are thus not under the law, what do you do now, twiddle your thumbs?

I have attempted to breach this subject many times in these forums, to no avail. No one seems to understand the new covenant regarding 'the law', which is the antithesis of that Law.
Incorrect. violating the law has nothing to do with being under its jurisdiction. If a person doesn't commit adultery because of the law they're ruled by the law.
 
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I know... but what I do get and apparently you don't... is that at Sinai the law was written on stone and through messiah the law is written on the heart. That is stated very plainly in Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:8-11. The mark of the NC is the law being written on the mind and heart... a heart of flesh not a heart of stone.
What word(s) in either of those verses indicate movement of the covenant of Sinai?
 
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Exactly... there is not one verse anywhere in Scripture that moves the Sabbath from the 7th to the first day. In fact, if that happened, the original picture it pointed to (the Millennial Kingdom) loses a witness.
By the same token there's nothing mandating the Christian keep the sabbath.
 
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Before Adam fell, God put the sun, moon and stars in place as a clock, for signs, and also for "feasts." A better word for moedim would be "appointment" (as in, "appointments with God") but the ability to know when they would be was set in place on Day 4 of Creation even though it would be, in the case of most Moedim.... 2000 years before the event would happen that would spawn the need to keep the feast (i.e. there was no "Passover" until the exodus out of Egypt even though the marker for when Passover would be was place in the heavenlies on Day 4 (Genesis 1:14).

My point? The Moedim/appointments/feasts have a historical tie but each and every one of them paints a picture of the work messiah would do. The first appointment/feast listed in Lev. 23 is the weekly Sabbath. It points to the Millennial Kingdom. 6 days we work and sweat and toil and then we rest... and that is a picture of 6000 years of work, sweat, decay, toil and death... and then a 1000 year reign where we rest. About God, Peter said, "a day is as a thousands years and a thousand years a day." This is a declaration that God is eternal and time not relevant to Him as it is us... but also a keygen for prophecy. We see that keygen come into play in the Sabbath example above, and also here...

Hosea 6:2 After two days He will revive us; On the third day He will raise us up, That we may live in His sight.
Your marker has nothing to do with the time of Passover. Passover is in the spring.
 
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Verse? There is none... and we are not in that rest yet. We STILL get disease, STILL decay, STILL work and sweat and DIE and watch others die as we are exposed daily to all manner of sin and unrighteousness... the "rest" is yet to come.
No the rest of God remains for those who will access it. It isn't the sabbath.
 
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So why cant those people have Jesus and still keep the Sabbath?

Why does it have to be they have Jesus and now disregard the Sabbath for another day?
Who said they can't keep some form of the sabbath? Not me. Some here require keeping the sabbath (the law) for salvation. Least you say this isn't true, what then becomes the basis for your requirement? I also want a clear statement for the reason.
 
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