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You still don't get it. The 'heart of flesh' refers to the new covenant, not the old. Lusting and hating are part of the evil nature addressed by the OC "Law". If you break the law you have placed yourself under the law and it's penalty. If you don't sin and are thus not under the law, what do you do now, twiddle your thumbs?

I have attempted to breach this subject many times in these forums, to no avail. No one seems to understand the new covenant regarding 'the law', which is the antithesis of that Law.

What was the penalty?
 
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When we enter into rest, all days become the same.
Verse? There is none... and we are not in that rest yet. We STILL get disease, STILL decay, STILL work and sweat and DIE and watch others die as we are exposed daily to all manner of sin and unrighteousness... the "rest" is yet to come.
 
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The antithesis of the old.
Really? Since antithesis means "exact opposite" then what you just said means we couldn't steal but now we can! We couldn't murder but now we can! The "OC" IS the 10 commandments (Deuteronomy 4:13) and again... you just said we can do the opposite. So instead of worshiping only the Lord our God... we are now free to do the opposite... the antithesis... which is what, worshiping anything and everything we want?
 
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Trying to achieve righteousness by conforming to the law is working for salvation. One is trying to secure salvation by performance. This can only be achieved by faith as Abraham proved.

Who is saying that? I didn't. I do it because I love The Father and Yeshua.
 
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Really? Since antithesis means "exact opposite" then what you just said means we couldn't steal but now we can! We couldn't murder but now we can! The "OC" IS the 10 commandments (Deuteronomy 4:13) and again... you just said we can do the opposite. So instead of worshiping only the Lord our God... we are now free to do the opposite... the antithesis... which is what, worshiping anything and everything we want?

Revisit post #140.
 
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Trying to achieve righteousness by conforming to the law is working for salvation. One is trying to secure salvation by performance. This can only be achieved by faith as Abraham proved.

I never said that. My righteousness is like a filthy rag. Yeshua is my righteousness.
 
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Verse? There is none... and we are not in that rest yet. We STILL get disease, STILL decay, STILL work and sweat and DIE and watch others die as we are exposed daily to all manner of sin and unrighteousness... the "rest" is yet to come.

Like the patriarchs and prophets we see past the present troubles into the future; the kingdom is within us, in our thoughts, ponderings, meditation, hopes.
 
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Revisit post #140.
No need... you were very clear. The NC laws are the exact opposite of the OC laws. Since the OC laws are moral laws of God (like honor parents, not coveting, etc.) your position now creates a lawless environment where we can do the opposite of what God once called sin. Even homosexuality is now allowed based on the position you have openly taken here. What did you think the end time "lawless one" was lawless to... secular law? No... it is God's law he turns away from.
 
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Like the patriarchs and prophets we see past the present troubles into the future; the kingdom is within us, in our thoughts, ponderings, meditation, hopes.
Right... and ignore the scores of prophecies that declare a Kingdom being set up on Earth in favor of spiritualizing anything we can't reconcile in our minds? Sorry... can't go there brother.
 
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Which are what?

This is no mystery. We do this every day without realizing the significance of it.
No need... you were very clear. The NC laws are the exact opposite of the OC laws. Since the OC laws are moral laws of God (like honor parents, not coveting, etc.) your position now creates a lawless environment where we can do the opposite of what God once called sin. Even homosexuality is now allowed based on the position you have openly taken here. What did you think the end time "lawless one" was lawless to... secular law? No... it is God's law he turns away from.

Revisit it as I added a great explanation to it.
 
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Really? Since antithesis means "exact opposite" then what you just said means we couldn't steal but now we can! We couldn't murder but now we can! The "OC" IS the 10 commandments (Deuteronomy 4:13) and again... you just said we can do the opposite. So instead of worshiping only the Lord our God... we are now free to do the opposite... the antithesis... which is what, worshiping anything and everything we want?

Many of the proverbs demonstrate thesis/antithesis without being directly opposite or contradictory. It's a bible thing.
 
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Verse? There is none... and we are not in that rest yet. We STILL get disease, STILL decay, STILL work and sweat and DIE and watch others die as we are exposed daily to all manner of sin and unrighteousness... the "rest" is yet to come.

Rest unto your soul has always been a truth one can enter into.

The Sabbath is to rest, what a son is to the house.

Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
 
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That may be true. However Jesus offered something to 7th day sabbath keepers they didn't have. This is found only in Jesus. An individual can keep working for their salvation if they want. The payment for such is death. Jesus offered a replacement for the 7th day sabbath giving rest not found in it.
So why cant those people have Jesus and still keep the Sabbath?

Why does it have to be they have Jesus and now disregard the Sabbath for another day?
 
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THE Sabbath is NOT on Sunday...
I didn't say the Sabbath was on Sunday. The Sabbath is Friday sundown till Saturday twilight. What I said is that the SOLEMNITY of the Sabbath has been switched by the Gentile Church to the Lord's Day (Sunday, when Christ rose).
 
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I didn't say the Sabbath was on Sunday. The Sabbath is Friday sundown till Saturday twilight. What I said is that the SOLEMNITY of the Sabbath has been switched by the Gentile Church to the Lord's Day (Sunday, when Christ rose).

I understand that, yet some people keep saying that the Sabbath was switched to Sunday.
 
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Rest unto your soul has always been a truth one can enter into.

The Sabbath is to rest, what a son is to the house.

Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
You need to read it all in context. Vs. 1 says the promise remains to enter that rest, vs. 2 includes Israel in the wilderness into the point and says they heard the gospel. Vs. 3 quotes Psalm 95 which is speaking again of Israel in the wilderness and how they didn't enter the rest (the promised land which will be ruled by King Yeshua in the Millennial Kingdom), and then it continues....the context is clearly the promised land, the fullness of which Israel has NEVER occupied. The promised land is 10X larger than the current nation of Israel but will be inhabited by all of God's Israel (people) in the Millennial Kingdom. That is when the rest comes, that is when we are perfected and will no longer die, get sick, decay... or watch loved ones go through the same. We belong to God NOW... but we are not in that promised rest YET.
 
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