Trinity discussion with St Worm2

[miknik5]

What are you talking about? If you don't mind, including a quote of any point you wish to address, REALLY is helpful.

Why is that weird??? Jehovah/YHVH God Himself authorizes us to use the "reality" test; Deut 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken ...
Romans 1:20
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Some how, your assertion, completely devoid of ANY shred of evidence, just doesn't seem persuasive ..... even a tiny bit.
Reality contradicts you, and not one single verse states your case.

How does GOD speak to us today?
Certainly not by prophets

 

[Lily of Valleys]

Have you ever found a Scripture that stated "Jesus is God"?
Nope, there is no such thing.
There most CERTAINLY are Scriptures that state Jehovah alone is God, and Jesus is His son, His servant, Abraham's descendant, David's descendant.... and THIS is the "Jesus" actually PREACHED throughout the Scriptures.

For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. (Isaiah 9:6)

 

[Dartman]

How does GOD speak to us today?
Certainly not by prophets

Through the Scriptures, and His guidance.

 

[Dartman]

Have you ever found a Scripture that stated "Jesus is God"?
Nope, there is no such thing.
There most CERTAINLY are Scriptures that state Jehovah alone is God, and Jesus is His son, His servant, Abraham's descendant, David's descendant.... and THIS is the "Jesus" actually PREACHED throughout the Scriptures.

For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. (Isaiah 9:6)

Yes, "Mighty God" is included in the name he will be called. You ARE aware that references to God are VERY common in Hebrew names?

 

[Lily of Valleys]

Not one Scripture mentions the "deity" of Christ.
MANY discuss Jesus as Lord.
MANY discuss Jesus as Jehovah's son.
MANY discuss Jesus as Jehovah's annointed, or Jehovah's Christ.
MANY discuss Jesus as a descendant of Adam, Abraham, Judah, David and Mary.

“Behold, I am coming soon. I bring with me the recompense I will give to each according to his deeds. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”

Blessed are they who wash their robes so as to have the right to the tree of life and enter the city through its gates. Outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the unchaste, the murderers, the idol-worshipers, and all who love and practice deceit.

“I, Jesus, sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the root and offspring of David, the bright morning star.” (Revelation 22:12-16)

 

[Lily of Valleys]

Behold, he is coming amid the clouds,
and every eye will see him,
even those who pierced him.
All the peoples of the earth will lament him.
Yes. Amen.

“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “the one who is and who was and who is to come, the almighty.”
(Revelation 1:7-8)

 

[Dartman]

what deception will we have if we believe that God is a Trinity?

Why did Jesus warn about "false Christs"?
Why did Paul warn about "another Jesus"?
Why did Jehovah care which "God" Israel worshiped?
Why is Jehovah a "jealous God"?
Why is the TRUTH important?
Why is it important to the trinitarians, that I accept "the deity of Jesus"?

 

[Dartman]

Not one Scripture mentions the "deity" of Christ.
MANY discuss Jesus as Lord.
MANY discuss Jesus as Jehovah's son.
MANY discuss Jesus as Jehovah's annointed, or Jehovah's Christ.
MANY discuss Jesus as a descendant of Adam, Abraham, Judah, David and Mary.

“Behold, I am coming soon. I bring with me the recompense I will give to each according to his deeds. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”

Blessed are they who wash their robes so as to have the right to the tree of life and enter the city through its gates. Outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the unchaste, the murderers, the idol-worshipers, and all who love and practice deceit.

“I, Jesus, sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the root and offspring of David, the bright morning star.” (Revelation 22:12-16)

No mention of "deity" in this.

 

[Dartman]

Behold, he is coming amid the clouds,
and every eye will see him,
even those who pierced him.
All the peoples of the earth will lament him.
Yes. Amen.

“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “the one who is and who was and who is to come, the almighty.”
(Revelation 1:7-8)

And?
You realize the text, from verse 1-8, mentions both Jesus and his God, about 5 times each?
Verse 7 is about Jesus.
Verse 8 is about his God.
I realize you would LOVE to make a big deal out of the phrase "alpha and omega", but that phrase merely indicates the beginning and the end .... of SOMETHING!!
It does NOT prove "deity", in any way.

Why don't you just admit that I am right, there isn't a SINGLE TEXT that states, explains, teaches or preaches "Jesus is God", or mentions "the deity of Jesus"?

 

[Lily of Valleys]

Why is it important to the trinitarians, that I accept "the deity of Jesus"?

Many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh; such is the deceitful one and the antichrist. (2 John 1:7)

 

[Dartman]

Notice, we are 9 pages into this thread, and STILL not one single passage has been produced that explains, teaches or preaches ANY tenet unique to the 'trinity'.
(Hint: there aren't any.)

 

[miknik5]

Through the Scriptures, and His guidance.

Can I go with Hebrews 1

Today GOD speaks to us by HIS SON?

Just as The SPIRIT of CHRIST was in all the prophets, pointing to all the glories which would come to us in CHRIST JESUS

 

[miknik5]

Notice, we are 9 pages into this thread, and STILL not one single passage has been produced that explains, teaches or preaches ANY tenet unique to the 'trinity'.
(Hint: there aren't any.)

A time will come when I will no longer speak to you in proverbs but will ___________


(Never mind)

 

[Lily of Valleys]

Why did Jesus warn about "false Christs"?
Why did Paul warn about "another Jesus"?
Why did Jehovah care which "God" Israel worshiped?
Why is Jehovah a "jealous God"?
Why is the TRUTH important?
Why is it important to the trinitarians, that I accept "the deity of Jesus"?

This is how you can know the Spirit of God: every spirit that acknowledges Jesus Christ come in the flesh belongs to God, and every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus does not belong to God. This is the spirit of the antichrist that, as you heard, is to come, but in fact is already in the world. (1 John 4:2-3)

 

[Dartman]

Many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh; such is the deceitful one and the antichrist. (2 John 1:7)

Yep, and I see the trinity as the antichrist.
The CRUCIAL difference here is; the trinitarian Jesus is NEVER .... EVER .... PREACHED, to ANY audience, ANYWHERE in the Scriptures .... while my "Jesus" is constantly preached, to EVERY audience in the Scriptures.

 

[Dartman]

Notice, we are 9 pages into this thread, and STILL not one single passage has been produced that explains, teaches or preaches ANY tenet unique to the 'trinity'.
(Hint: there aren't any.)

A time will come when I will no longer speak to you in proverbs but will ___________


(Never mind)

..... AH HA!!! This is a very side-ways admission that I am right! There is NOT any text!!
You tried to work around that, by hinting there are "proverbs", BUT you have kind of admitted the truth here!!!
Am I right?

 

[miknik5]

No mention of "deity" in this.

Dartman,

Do you understand what lily of the valley is saying?

 

[Dartman]

This is how you can know the Spirit of God: every spirit that acknowledges Jesus Christ come in the flesh belongs to God, and every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus does not belong to God. This is the spirit of the antichrist that, as you heard, is to come, but in fact is already in the world. (1 John 4:2-3)

Of course!! I have stated HUNDREDS of times, Jesus is the "flesh and blood" fulfillment of his God's words!! Jesus VERY literally has "come in the flesh"!! The Messiah!! The Christ!!

 

[miknik5]

You don't know THE WORD of GOD?

Are you kidding me, dartman?

Please read John 16

How is it that you don't recall CHRIST saying this and weren't able to fill in the blanks?

..... AH HA!!! This is a very side-ways admission that I am right! There is NOT any text!!
You tried to work around that, by hinting there are "proverbs", BUT you have kind of admitted the truth here!!!
Am I right?

No. You're not right

 

[Lily of Valleys]

Notice, we are 9 pages into this thread, and STILL not one single passage has been produced that explains, teaches or preaches ANY tenet unique to the 'trinity'.
(Hint: there aren't any.)

‘they look but do not see and hear but do not listen or understand.’
Isaiah’s prophecy is fulfilled in them, which says:

‘You shall indeed hear but not understand,
you shall indeed look but never see.
Gross is the heart of this people,
they will hardly hear with their ears,
they have closed their eyes (Matthew 13:13-15)​

Now the natural person does not accept what pertains to the Spirit of God, for to him it is foolishness, and he cannot understand it, because it is judged spiritually. (1 Corinthians 2:14)