Is Mary God?

[Major1]

None of the Bible verses that you cited state "Thou shalt not pray in front of a statute of Mary". I reject your man made interpretations that add to the word of God.

So MARY does not apply to the the phrase........"ANY graven image".

Is that your argument?

Do you realize who foolish that sounds and how it makes you look?

 

[amariselle]

All I cans say , is read the answer above, then study.

I have studied, and I continue to do so.

Christ is a davidic King. Mary is his mother. The rest follows. Such as Mary intercedes at Cana.
All follows. Study it.

Strange then that Jesus never spoke of this, and none of the inspired Scripture writers recorded it either.

Preferably BEFORE you repeat the I have shown false (and some of us find offensive) accusation that Mary as "queen" is somehow pagan. Whether or not you like the explanation the roots are biblical , it is certainly not pagan, so the remark was illinformed..

"Then all the men which knew that their wives had burned incense unto other gods, and all the women that stood by, a great multitude, even all the people that dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying,

As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee.

But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.

But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.

And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men?

Then Jeremiah said unto all the people, to the men, and to the women, and to all the people which had given him that answer, saying,

The incense that ye burned in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem, ye, and your fathers, your kings, and your princes, and the people of the land, did not the Lord remember them, and came it not into his mind?

So that the Lord could no longer bear, because of the evil of your doings, and because of the abominations which ye have committed; therefore is your land a desolation, and an astonishment, and a curse, without an inhabitant, as at this day.

Because ye have burned incense, and because ye have sinned against the Lord, and have not obeyed the voice of the Lord, nor walked in his law, nor in his statutes, nor in his testimonies; therefore this evil is happened unto you, as at this day.

Moreover Jeremiah said unto all the people, and to all the women, Hear the word of the Lord, all Judah that are in the land of Egypt:

Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, saying; Ye and your wives have both spoken with your mouths, and fulfilled with your hand, saying, We will surely perform our vows that we have vowed, to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her: ye will surely accomplish your vows, and surely perform your vows.

Therefore hear ye the word of the Lord, all Judah that dwell in the land of Egypt; Behold, I have sworn by my great name, saith the Lord, that my name shall no more be named in the mouth of any man of Judah in all the land of Egypt, saying, The Lord God liveth." - Jeremiah 44:15-26

Also, you may want to do some research (if you haven't already) into pagan goddess worship, ancient Babylon and mother/child worship in pagan cultures throughout history. There is no doubt as to the pagan roots of such things, even as recorded in Scripture.

Your questions state either you have not read what I said, or drawn simple logical conclusions from it, or in places you have drawn nonsequiturs from it. Like "where does it say we should"- answer nowhere, but it is not what I said or we believe. There is a huge difference between "should" and "can" so the question is a logical nonsequitur.

So, you pray to Mary and give her those titles, just because you "can"?

Nowhere does it say you should ask friends to pray for you, but we accept we can and most of us do.

"Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints..." - Ephesians 6:18

Notice also, in reading Paul's letters, that he often begins his letters by saying he keeps fellow believers in his prayers, and thanks God for them. This is not the same as praying to a fellow human being who has already died. It also brings up an interesting question: Why do we not see any indication in Scripture of people praying to Mary while she was still alive?

I can only comment that without those Church fathers, and their inspired councils you would have no new testament. That is church history. The enactment of the power to "bind and loose", and that the "foundation of truth is the church which is the household of God"

Incorrect. We have the New Testament (and the Old) because of God. The Holy Spirit inspired the Scriptures. They are given to us by God, not man.

Enough.
I tire of explaining the same points endlessly. I only hope it inspires others to research it.
As a general heological background to marian doctrines I suggest you read such as "staples" "behold your mother" which covers many of your points.

Study what we think and why. then decide, is a good order!

I have. I truly hope others will as well. Search the Scriptures.

 

[Erose]

YOU, are a 'SOLA SCRIPTURE person.

CATHOLICS ARE NOT!

Actually he is a SOLO Scriptura person. Big difference.

 

[PeaceB]

Where is the Bible verse telling to you pray in front of MAry?

Where is the Bible verse that tells me to pray in my car for a moment before I hit the road with my family? Your logic is silly.

So MARY does not apply to the the phrase........"ANY graven image".

Is that your argument?

Mary is not a graven image. She is a human being.

My argument is that the Bible does not prohibit kneeling in front of a statute of Mary to pray. You have yet to provide one single Scripture verse that states this. You are adding your man made interpretations to the clear word of God.

 

[amariselle]

Jesus has a few titles too

Jesus is God. He deserves those titles, and every single bit of our praise.

 

[Goatee]

Actually he is a SOLO Scriptura person. Big difference.

Makes sense.

 

[Goatee]

Jesus is God. He deserves those titles, and every single bit of our praise.

Correct.

And Mary, Mother of God, deserves the love that CATHOLICS give her.

 

[Major1]

Where is the Bible verse that tells me to pray in my car for a moment before I hit the road with my family? Your logic is silly.

Mary is not a graven image. She is a human being.

My argument is that the Bible does not prohibit kneeling in front of a statute of Mary to pray. You have yet to provide one single Scripture verse that states this. You are adding your man made interpretations to the clear word of God.

Your spinning and making up things is what is silly.

1 Thess. 5:17........
"pray without ceasing".

Now because the words CAR is not in that verse you are not then going to pray for traveling mercy from God.??? That is how silly your comments are becoming.

Of course MAry is not standing in your church, For heaven sakes man, she has been dead for 2000 years.
Somebody took a knife and carved an image out of a piece of wood or plaster. THAT is a graven image.

 

[Major1]

Jesus is God. He deserves those titles, and every single bit of our praise.

Amen sister!

Jesus is Lord !!!

 

[amariselle]

Duly noted.

Show me a Bible verse that states "Thou shalt not pray in front of a statute of Mary" or I will not believe.

"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me..." - Exodus 20:4-5

"Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:

Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me..." - Deuteronomy 5:8-9

 

[Major1]

Actually he is a SOLO Scriptura person. Big difference.

What are the Bible verse that show or tell us that Jesus and the apostles venerated Mary.

Sola Scriptura has nothing to do with this. Use any material you want to.

Why not use the internet and search it out????

 

[Goatee]

Devotion to the Blessed Virgin | Catholic Answers

 

[amariselle]

None of those Bible verses states "Thou shalt not pray in front of a statute of Mary". So I am perfectly free to pray in front of a statute of Mary.

Good day.

That wasn't what those Bible verses were shared as a response to. I was referencing how the Bible does in fact talk about pagan idolatry and praying to the "Queen of Heaven."

You should really do some research as well.

 

[amariselle]

What are the Bible verse that show or tell us that Jesus and the apostles venerated Mary.

I've been asking this question for a long time now, and I have been given no answers. I just hope it causes others to think about the real issues and concerns here. That's why I keep asking. I hope at some point, someone truly seeking answers will read this and other threads.

 

[Major1]

Where is the Bible verse that tells me to pray in my car for a moment before I hit the road with my family? Your logic is silly.

Mary is not a graven image. She is a human being.

My argument is that the Bible does not prohibit kneeling in front of a statute of Mary to pray. You have yet to provide one single Scripture verse that states this. You are adding your man made interpretations to the clear word of God.

YOU have said tradition is more important than Scriptures. Where then is it recorded or who said that it was to be a tradition of men venerating a statue of Mary in the church.

Where is it then found that Jesus and the apostles venerated Mary?

 

[Goatee]

Your spinning and making up things is what is silly.

1 Thess. 5:17........
"pray without ceasing".

Now because the words CAR is not in that verse you are not then going to pray for traveling mercy from God.??? That is how silly your comments are becoming.

Of course MAry is not standing in your church, For heaven sakes man, she has been dead for 2000 years.
Somebody took a knife and carved an image out of a piece of wood or plaster. THAT is a graven image.

Mary, is very much alive, with God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Apostles knew so much that was not written. The Catholic Church has a lot of these truths as given by the Holy Spirit / Sacred Tradition

 

[PeaceB]

"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me..." - Exodus 20:4-5

"Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:

Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me..." - Deuteronomy 5:8-9

None of these Bible verses states "Thou shalt not kneel in front of a statute of Mary to pray." You have not provided even ONE single verse of Scripture that states that. You are adding your man made interpretations to the clear word of God.

 

[amariselle]

Many teachings Jesus taught that, as John said, would need more books than the world could supply!

The Apostles knew these 'teachings and have passed down, through Apostolic Tradition and Sacred Tradition truths that the Catholic Church hold fast to!

It is obvious that these teachings would have included many things not written in the Bible. We are blessed in the CC to have had the world of Jesus and Mary expanded upon in ways that you cannot understand or even accept!

None of the other things Jesus taught would have ever contradicted what He did teach. Yet, I've seen this verse used countless times to justify all kinds of beliefs that run contrary to the Bible.

 

[Goatee]

"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me..." - Exodus 20:4-5

"Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:

Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me..." - Deuteronomy 5:8-9

Graven image referring to the many gods that the Jews used to worship in those days.

God knows who we worship. Christians can't and don't make any graven images etc. It's impossible as we only worship the one true God!

 

[Major1]

I've been asking this question for a long time now, and I have been given no answers. I just hope it causes others to think about the real issues and concerns here. That's why I keep asking. I hope at some point, someone truly seeking answers will read this and other threads.

I agree!

 

[Stabat Mater dolorosa]

Your spinning and making up things is what is silly.

1 Thess. 5:17........
"pray without ceasing".

Now because the words CAR is not in that verse you are not then going to pray for traveling mercy from God.??? That is how silly your comments are becoming.

Of course MAry is not standing in your church, For heaven sakes man, she has been dead for 2000 years.
Somebody took a knife and carved an image out of a piece of wood or plaster. THAT is a graven image.

So God is in fact a God of the dead not the living then?
According to your logic this is the natural conclusion to be drawn from your statement about Mary.

You claim scriptural authority, but you preach a different gospel whenever it suits you...