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The KJV has "mourning" and the word is - leviathan.
Job 3:8
“Let them curse it that curse the day, who are ready to raise up their mourning.”
I think I remember reading that mourning and Leviathan are very similar words. I can't remember where or why. However the same word does get used for Leviathan later in Job. I think it Leviathan makes more contextual sense because this word "raise up" means awaken. Leviathan has the conceptual meaning of chaos.
So Job says "Let Them" "that curse the day". That is a group of people that curse the day, that same type of person might be inclined to "awaken the chaos creature".
Leviathan is in later chapters of the book of Job and in sync and in context with the verses surrounding it in those chapters. In Job 3, Job is in the throes of misery, to the extent of regretting the day he was born. We have here Job, after having been floored with the sudden and tragic deaths of all ten of his children. In addition, he has putrid sores from head to foot, over every inch of his body and the sores have worms in them. Job is beyond grief and mourning here and is beyond misery, so much so that, as we look at the last part of chapter two, Job's friends have come, and they don't recognize Job because he is in such suffering and is in profound grief.
Chapter 3 of Job is about Job's inexplicable mourning and loss. It's not about "leviathan".
I agree, it is about regret, sadness, and loss. Having this word translated as leviathan doesn't change that context, it fits it. The chaos serpent ends things. It puts an end to life. That is why "them that curse the day" would also wish to wake Leviathan for utter destruction. It is also a living being that can be awoken, it makes sense in the grammar. Mourning doesn't make sense of the preceding "awoken".
I agree that the word "Mourning" fits the context of the chapter, but it doesn't fit the grammar of the verse given the word "Awake" that precedes it. How can the act of mourning be awoken?Of course mourning makes sense. It makes sense and fits for the entire theme in chapter 3.
"Leviathan" is not about regret, sadness, loss, or mourning.
"Mourning" is.
I agree that the word "Mourning" fits the context of the chapter, but it doesn't fit the grammar of the verse given the word "Awake" that precedes it. How can the act of mourning be awoken?
Pain and loss cause mourning to occur. It doesn't awaken it. People don't have "Mourning" asleep inside of them until something bad happens to wake it up. Are you King James only Brinny?Sure it can. Pain and loss awakens it.
The text progresses from mourning to cursing in v8. The writer is going from passively experiencing the pain to lashing out in response. I think we've all been there, in that place where we veer between pain and anger. That's where Job is at this point. I think it's very understandable, and would go with Leviathan.
The sense is he's either calling up anger, or he's actually appealing to dark spiritual forces to enforce the curse he desires. Rotherham's Emphasized Bible seems to bring that out by rendering it "rouse the dragon of the sky", though I'm not sure if there's warrant for that.
Most of the translations use Leviathan: Job 3:8 - Bible Gateway.
There's no linguistic warrant for mourning there that I can see, unless the translators suspect corruption of the text. And that doesn't seem likely, as the ancient Greek Septuagint translation concurs with the Hebrew. In total, five out of six times the KJV renders the same greek word as "Leviathan."
Pain and loss cause mourning to occur. It doesn't awaken it. People don't have "Mourning" asleep inside of them until something bad happens to wake it up.
Pain and loss cause mourning to occur. It doesn't awaken it. People don't have "Mourning" asleep inside of them until something bad happens to wake it up. Are you King James only Brinny?
I agree about the context of Grief. In the ANE context waking Leviathan is the same as hoping a meteor falls on you.Sure there is. Exhaustion can render grief and mourning dormant, so to speak. When there is additional crushing heartbreak, the grief and mourning is "awakened". It begins again.
The bottom line is that the entire 3rd chapter of Job is about Job's inexplicable grief, loss, mourning, and excruciating suffering and pain.
Nice try? How have we gotten into that kind of language.Nice try.
The entire 3rd chapter, and the chapter before it is about Job's mourning which was so severe that his friends (see chapter 2) didn't recognize him.
I agree about the context of Grief. In the ANE context waking Leviathan is the same as hoping a meteor falls on you.
I don't have mourning dormant inside of me right now. I have no experience of that. I'm not sure there is much more I can add. Maybe this is a KJVO thing? I don't know.
Nice try? How have we gotten into that kind of language.
Job is wishing he was never born. Job never calls up Leviathan. He is saying let those who curse the day and summon leviathan also curse the day he was born.That denotes anger, rage, hatred.
Job wasn't angry, in a rage, or calling on "dark forces" or calling down curses on anyone.
If he was, he would be sinning and evilly so.
Job is wishing he was never born. Job never calls up Leviathan. He is saying let those who curse the day and summon leviathan also curse his birth.