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Todays Gospel reading at Mass was problematic for me, I have to confess. The story of the wheat versus the weeds. The analogy apparently being that the righteous will be rewarded on the last day and the unrighteous will burn in Hell. Is that a fair interpretation of the this Gospel reading?
Dualism. The way of seeing the world in black and white. The good guys and the bad guys. Whilst there is of course some truth in this, I think what is closer to the truth is that most of us are shades of grey. We are both wheat and chaff. In short we sin. No matter how often we repent.
I still have a problem with the word "righteous" too. The day I consider myself "righteous" is the day I lose all humility. We must remain humble until judgement day and not take salvation as a given.
And here's a commentary extract of the Gospel passage I found:
"Who knows . With the grace of God and the patience of the community, "the weeds" may eventually turn into wheat."
I find this commentary totally unconvincing. Weed never magically turns into wheat. Poor analogy.
 
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Todays Gospel reading at Mass was problematic for me, I have to confess. The story of the wheat versus the weeds. The analogy apparently being that the righteous will be rewarded on the last day and the unrighteous will burn in Hell. Is that a fair interpretation of the this Gospel reading?
Dualism. The way of seeing the world in black and white. The good guys and the bad guys. Whilst there is of course some truth in this, I think what is closer to the truth is that most of us are shades of grey. We are both wheat and chaff. In short we sin. No matter how often we repent.
I still have a problem with the word "righteous" too. The day I consider myself "righteous" is the day I lose all humility. We must remain humble until judgement day and not take salvation as a given.
And here's a commentary extract of the Gospel passage I found:
"Who knows . With the grace of God and the patience of the community, "the weeds" may eventually turn into wheat."
I find this commentary totally unconvincing. Weed never magically turns into wheat. Poor analogy.
God will help us all be wheat.
 
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God will help us all be wheat.
I'm guessing that a lot of people react to this passage with fear.
"well I'm gonna make sure I'm wheat and not weed."
I just question the motivation of people who love God because they fear Hell. It doesn't quite add up to me.
Like I love my wife because I fear divorce?
 
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I'm guessing that a lot of people react to this passage with fear.
"well I'm gonna make sure I'm wheat and not weed."
I just question the motivation of people who love God because they fear Hell. It doesn't quite add up to me.
Like I love my wife because I fear divorce?
I think nothing can separate us from Gods love. I don't believe in hell and I feel he will heal everyone, even if some are healed after death.
 
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I think nothing can separate us from Gods love. I don't believe in hell and I feel he will heal everyone, even if some are healed after death.
Blue. we are on the same wavelength. I think you've got the spiritual gift of discernment, for sure!
 
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I think nothing can separate us from Gods love. I don't believe in hell and I feel he will heal everyone, even if some are healed after death.


So do you believe that Satan will be saved also then?
 
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Todays Gospel reading at Mass was problematic for me, I have to confess. The story of the wheat versus the weeds. The analogy apparently being that the righteous will be rewarded on the last day and the unrighteous will burn in Hell. Is that a fair interpretation of the this Gospel reading?
Dualism. The way of seeing the world in black and white. The good guys and the bad guys. Whilst there is of course some truth in this, I think what is closer to the truth is that most of us are shades of grey. We are both wheat and chaff. In short we sin. No matter how often we repent.
I still have a problem with the word "righteous" too. The day I consider myself "righteous" is the day I lose all humility. We must remain humble until judgement day and not take salvation as a given.
And here's a commentary extract of the Gospel passage I found:
"Who knows . With the grace of God and the patience of the community, "the weeds" may eventually turn into wheat."
I find this commentary totally unconvincing. Weed never magically turns into wheat. Poor analogy.
A priest in my church said that there are both internal and external meanings to this passage. Internally, it reinforces the need for repentance, forgiveness and developing a Christian character, while externally it shows the difference between the saved and the unsaved.
 
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Todays Gospel reading at Mass was problematic for me, I have to confess. The story of the wheat versus the weeds. The analogy apparently being that the righteous will be rewarded on the last day and the unrighteous will burn in Hell. Is that a fair interpretation of the this Gospel reading?
Dualism. The way of seeing the world in black and white. The good guys and the bad guys. Whilst there is of course some truth in this, I think what is closer to the truth is that most of us are shades of grey. We are both wheat and chaff. In short we sin. No matter how often we repent.
I still have a problem with the word "righteous" too. The day I consider myself "righteous" is the day I lose all humility. We must remain humble until judgement day and not take salvation as a given.
And here's a commentary extract of the Gospel passage I found:
"Who knows . With the grace of God and the patience of the community, "the weeds" may eventually turn into wheat."
I find this commentary totally unconvincing. Weed never magically turns into wheat. Poor analogy.

Matt 7 is also a similar issue on the wheat and the tares.

Matthew 7King James Version (KJV)


13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
 
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13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
I like that passage better because there is still a chance for all of us. It's encouraging. We just need to wake up.
The passage I quoted seems kind of fatalistic. 'the good guys are saved, and the rest are goin in the opposite direction!" :)
 
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Todays Gospel reading at Mass was problematic for me, I have to confess. The story of the wheat versus the weeds. The analogy apparently being that the righteous will be rewarded on the last day and the unrighteous will burn in Hell. Is that a fair interpretation of the this Gospel reading?
Dualism. The way of seeing the world in black and white. The good guys and the bad guys. Whilst there is of course some truth in this, I think what is closer to the truth is that most of us are shades of grey. We are both wheat and chaff. In short we sin. No matter how often we repent.
I still have a problem with the word "righteous" too. The day I consider myself "righteous" is the day I lose all humility. We must remain humble until judgement day and not take salvation as a given.
And here's a commentary extract of the Gospel passage I found:
"Who knows . With the grace of God and the patience of the community, "the weeds" may eventually turn into wheat."
I find this commentary totally unconvincing. Weed never magically turns into wheat. Poor analogy.

When we are declared to be righteous, we are declared to be someone who practice righteousness and who practices repentance when we sin. So whether or not we are righteous is not based upon how often we sin and repent, but on whether or not we continue to practice righteousness and repentance by faith. We all still sin and fall short of the glory of God, but as children of God we no longer practice sin (1 John 3:4-10).
 
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but on whether or not we continue to practice righteousness and repentance by faith.
Yeah I'm gradually getting my head around that one. Its a tough concept to grasp.
 
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I'm guessing that a lot of people react to this passage with fear.
"well I'm gonna make sure I'm wheat and not weed."
I just question the motivation of people who love God because they fear Hell. It doesn't quite add up to me.
Like I love my wife because I fear divorce?

There is a type of fear of being separated from someone that is holy, righteous, good, just, powerful, and unsafe, and a type of fear of being close to someone that is unholy, unrighteous, evil, unjust, powerful, and unsafe, and the fear of the Lord that is the beginning of wisdom is the first type.
 
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So do you believe that Satan will be saved also then?
It would be better than keeping him as he is, especially if there's Someone Who has the power to fix what's broken about him. Besides, as the Creator of all beings, it's not as though God didn't see Satan coming. :)
 
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Todays Gospel reading at Mass was problematic for me, I have to confess. The story of the wheat versus the weeds. The analogy apparently being that the righteous will be rewarded on the last day and the unrighteous will burn in Hell. Is that a fair interpretation of the this Gospel reading?
Dualism. The way of seeing the world in black and white. The good guys and the bad guys. Whilst there is of course some truth in this, I think what is closer to the truth is that most of us are shades of grey. We are both wheat and chaff. In short we sin. No matter how often we repent.
I still have a problem with the word "righteous" too. The day I consider myself "righteous" is the day I lose all humility. We must remain humble until judgement day and not take salvation as a given.
And here's a commentary extract of the Gospel passage I found:
"Who knows . With the grace of God and the patience of the community, "the weeds" may eventually turn into wheat."
I find this commentary totally unconvincing. Weed never magically turns into wheat. Poor analogy.

I will mix metaphors (like world, natural )and real substantive words (like true believers and false believers) interchangeably....sorry for that..writing on the fly

The wheat are the true believers growing spiritually at different rates. The tares or weeds are also growing spiritually at different rate as the false believers.
The weeds are natural to the field or of the world, and planted by the spiirt of this world. The corn on the other hand is not of the field that grows wild. It is in the world. It is planted there by the spirit of God. God knows those that he planted or called and chose in the world and those that are natural to the world that do not have God's spirit.

Notice the weeds always grow around the planted corn or whatever food product that grows in the ground. They are natural and more numerous in the field. The weeds or the spirits of the world want to stump and suffocate the corn or the believer, if they could. So the corn that is shorter or more immature are more susceptible to be over taken by the weeds and the world. If it could, the weed naturally wants the corn to act and be a weed like itself.

Though some corn may grow slowly and be completely overtaken and live with and like the weeds of the field, they are still God's chosen and cannot be considered a weed or false believer.

The key word is GROW - even a bit. Now how does the corn not grow? If it does not get the correct mixture or environment to grow in - water , temperature, warmth sunlight, soil content etc. This is the corn seed that is dying from its planting day. It will die as a seed. The shortest ear of corn or pre-ear corn stalk, only one inch is still considered a called and chosen of God. They might not be as useful as a 4 foot (3.3 meter) high corn, but they still will be saved by the reaper.

The parable of the seed landing on different surfaces compliment this parable.

They both grow in the the soil of the field called the 'world' until the planter takes his own valuable product out and cleans the field of weeds and burns them up all together.

There is no grey/gray or shades of it with God's people. We will grow whether slowly or fast as we have the spirit of truth within us. We can never be weeds once we have this spirit in us no matter how little we allow it (the spirit) to guide and control our ways in life. As scripture says we will be saved as if someone at the last minute plucked us from a burning fire. We made it by the 'skin of out teeth.'

The commentary you presented is a fools one; whoever wrote it. Those that will come to Christ and thus God is already known from the planting of the corn in the field, or since Adam was created. It is wishful thinking that the community via prayer etc man's efforts can change this scriptural fact. Even if you see a weed turn to corn, it was not the community or man that did it. God already had this plan of choosing this person already, beforehand. It is 'once saved always saved' over again and it is true if we truly know we have the spirit of the truth within us. You can know that you are without relying on your heart and emotion.

So we are not both wheat and chaff as sinners. We are always wheat once we are growing as a new creature regardless of sin in our lives. Again 2 Corinth 13:5, 1 John chapters 1 and 2 and Gal 5:22-23 comes to mind to evaluate yourself.

We have righteousness because Jesus is righteous based on our faith and deep believe in Christ.

Bless you mate .. Years back I was raised on the North Island of the two across the Tasman sea from you
 
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The day I consider myself "righteous" is the day I lose all humility.

I think you've already lost it. ;)

And here's a commentary extract of the Gospel passage I found:
"Who knows . With the grace of God and the patience of the community, "the weeds" may eventually turn into wheat."
I find this commentary totally unconvincing. Weed never magically turns into wheat. Poor analogy.

Burn that commentary.
 
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I think nothing can separate us from Gods love. I don't believe in hell and I feel he will heal everyone, even if some are healed after death.


Finally someone who sees that hell is more a horrible threatening scare-tactic than a judgement from someone who's supposed to be "love".
 
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