Hello Bob.
You need the verses where the apostles tell the Gentiles, that they are under the law.
Totally false.
As I have pointed out many times so far (and we both know it) in Romans 3 - Paul uses the term "under the law" to mean "under the condemnation of the law" and in Romans 3 he applies it to the "whole world" and "everyone with a mouth" -- (unless you are now offering us the wild speculation that gentiles don't have mouths -- or that they are not in the world--- is this really where you are going?????)
19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says
to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and t
he whole world held accountable to God. 20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.
It is a sweeping statement about all mankind (not just Jews) - being "under the law" - which Paul clearly uses to mean "under the condemnation of the LAW as sinners".
And what Law is that? it is the one that defines what sin is - the one that includes the TEN Commandments.
A glaringly obvious bible detail so obvious - that even the majority of your own pro-sunday scholars admit to it.
When a Bible detail is so obvious that BOTH sides admit to it -- well... "it just does not GET any easier than this!!" -- just stating the obvious.
Hello Bob.
Regarding the verse you quoted (Romans 3:20) and the context of chapter three, what is Paul saying?
Hi David -
Well first of all it is Romans 3:19-20 ... not just 20
19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are
under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and t
he whole world held accountable to God. 20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather,
through the law we become conscious of our sin.
19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to
those who are under the Law, so that
every mouth may be closed and all
the world may become accountable to God; 20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for
through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.
For some reason Bob you do not seem to understand what the text is saying.
I will quote these verses from Paul again.
Romans 3 (NASB)
19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; 20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.
What the written law (Exodus 20) states, applies to those 'under the law',
Indeed. The "Whole world" as the text says ... and "every mouth". All have sinned ... all need the Gospel
Not the wild speculation of "just Jews"
Here again we have such a Bible101 basic detail that even Bible scholars on BOTH sides of the debate admit to this Bible detail.
Just does not GET any easier than this.
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What is more the conclusion about that LAW (that even you admit is including Ex 20) is this "
Do we then make VOID the LAW by our faith? God forbid! in fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31.
Because it is that LAW that Jeremiah says is "
written on the heart and mind" in Jeremiah 31:31-33
If we are only not under the condemnation of the law, then that would mean we can break the commandments and not receive any punishment.
Not under the condemnation of the LAW means "
What matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19 EVEN for Christians.
Not under the condemnation of the LAW means "
not sinning because whom you obey that is your master" Romans 6
Not under the condemnation of the LAW means "
WE ESTABLISH the LAW by our faith" Rom 3:31
Not under the condemnation of the LAW means that it is the "
LOST who do not and indeed CAN not submit to the LAW of God" while the saints FULFILL it. Romans 8:4-10
So the wild speculation "not under the condemnation of the law means sinning without consequence" is proven in the NT to be false.
What is more - it is the very false accusation about the Gospel that Paul refutes.
As we both already know. (thus once again I argue for the clearly obvious point that BOTH sides already agree to )