Why Doesn't Israel Rebuild The Holy Temple?

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there is a neat story about julian the apostate who tried to rebuild the temple just to prove the christians wrong and these mysterious fires kept breaking out at the site which kept the construction workers away

Wow, this looks big victorinus. Thanks for this.

I was skeptical at first but a quick search seems to yield fruit.

Some of the workmen were burned to death by the mysterious fires that broke out.

Julian hated the Christians. He wanted to bring back paganism but would also promote anything other than Christianity including the rebuilding of the temple of the Jews.

The Historian Ammianus Marcellinus (A.D. c.330 - 395)
"Res Gestae," Book XXIII

He [Julian the Apostate] planned at vast cost to restore the once splendid Temple at Jerusalem, which after many mortal combats during the siege by Vespasian and later by Titus had barely been stormed. He had entrusted the speedy performance of this work to Alypius of Antioch... But though this Alypius pushed the work on with vigor, aided by the governor of the province, terrible balls of fire kept bursting forth near the foundations of the Temple and made the place inaccessible to the workmen, some of whom were burned to death; and since in this way the element persistently repelled them, the enterprise halted. ("cum itaque rei idem fortiter instaret Alypius iuvaretque provinciae rector, metuendi globi flammarum prope fundamenta crebris adsultibus erumpentes fecere locum exustis aliquotiens operantibus inaccessum, hocque modo elemento destinatius repellente cessavit inceptum.")

https://www.fisheaters.com/juliantemple.html
 
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Consider the following:
Israel the third temple and the coming Jewish holocaust
Many books have been written on the planning that is now taking place to rebuild the third temple in Jerusalem. Virtually all the instruments that will be used in the third temple have now been precisely recreated. Red heifers required for purification of the sanctuary and the people are expected to be bred in time for this event.



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The image of the Gold Dome is a stock picture on the net.

A quick image search on Tin EYE has 13 different default JPGs of the same image to choose from.

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I'll pick this one instead next time and go back and edit my posts.

Sorry for the upset.

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Red heifers :)
 
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This article is intended to be read after my article "Sacrifices and the Holy Temple." http://www.beingjewish.com/unchanged/sacrifices.html

To be sure, if we had the Holy Temple, we would resume the Holy Service, including the offering of sacrifices. So why don't we rebuild the Holy Temple?The most obvious answer would seem to be that we can't for political and safety reasons. The Muslims have control over the Temple Mount, and for us to destroy the Muslims' holy site to build our own would be a terrible and most dangerous idea. There would be no Jew safe in the entire world, or at least wherever there are Muslims.

When the Messiah comes, may it be soon, this will be resolved in a peaceful way, to everyone's satisfaction. Don't ask me how. If I knew how, I would be the Messiah. Obviously, I am not. (Isn't it refreshing to meet someone on the Internet who is not making outrageous claims about himself?)However, there are other issues involved. Even if we received the consent of every Muslim in the world to raze or move the various Mosques from the Temple Mount, we still would not be permitted to rebuild the Holy Temple just yet.Here's why:

Nowadays it is forbidden to enter the precise area where the Holy Temple used to be, because we are all ritually impure.(1) Whoever does so is violating a Biblical Prohibition punishable by death. In order for any of us to be able to become ritually pure, we would need the ablutions of the ashes of a red cow administered by a Cohen (Priest).(2)Let us assume we have performed this ritual, and are now pure. Now we need an altar. Just any altar wouldn't do, it must be in the Temple area.(3) Therefore we must rebuild the altar. (I'll bypass the problems with that, as they are too complicated to explain.)

The next problem is the location of the Altar. The Law is very precise about just where the Holy Altar must be located. It is forbidden to place the Altar anywhere else. When they built the Second Holy Temple, they had to find reliable witnesses who could testify to the exact spot. They found three such witnesses, the prophets Haggai, Zephaniah and Malachi, but we don't have any prophets or witnesses today. Thus, until a prophet (we assume that it will probably be Elijah) comes and tells us where to build the Altar (among many other things we need to know first), we cannot build the Holy Altar.(4) The answer to this I shall discuss later, Hashem willing.

Without the Holy Altar it is forbidden to bring sacrifices.Let us assume we were able to build the Altar, properly, and in the precise location. We would still need a Cohen whose genealogy can be determined absolutely and verified.(5) The answer to this problem I shall discuss later, Hashem willing.Our next problem is that we must appoint a High Priest, or all Service is forbidden.(6) To appoint a High Priest, we need a Sanhedrin, which is a body of 71 ordained rabbis acting as the Supreme Court of the People Of Israel.(7) We cannot assemble a Sanhedrin, because the Sanhedrin must consist of rabbis ordained with the Mosaic Ordination, which was transmitted from Rabbi to Rabbi since Moses.(8) However, the Mosaic Ordination ceased to exist in the year 358 C.E. because of the persecutioce, and we have made lasting peace with our enemies; when all Jews have returned to the Holy Land of Israel, and religious Jews have complete temporal and religious control over the land, then we will know that our Final Redemption has begns Constantinius perpetrated upon the Jews.(9) This too, I shall answer later, Hashem willing.

There are yet other problems, such as Laws involving the Priestly Garments, the exact measurements of the Temple area, and many, many more, all of which demand as yet undiscovered answers.And there are other types of concerns as well. The Torah does not even consider it a requirement on our part to rebuild the Holy Temple until most or all the Children of Israel live in the land of Israel. And there is also the matter of the Return of the Ten Tribes to consider, which will be part of our Final Redemption.When these things have taken plaun, and we can then turn our thoughts towards rebuilding the Holy Temple.We have a tradition that Elijah the Prophet will arrive and reveal himself to us before the Advent of the Messiah.(10) He will arrive and answer all questions and resolve all doubts.(11) He will reveal to us which families are definitely Cohanim.(12) And he is a recipient of the Ordination Of Moses(13) and can therefore restore the Sanhedrin.

And he will bring peace to the world.Thrice daily, all observant Jews pray: "...and restore the service to the Holy Sanctuary, and the fire-offerings of Israel and their prayer you will accept with love..."Rabbi Moshe Shternbuch, in his work, Moadim Uzmanim,(14) in his treatment of the subject, ends off by saying:And according to what we have explained at length above, there are innumerable reasons why we do not rebuild the Holy Temple or the Altar, nor bring sacrifices today. Nor does the repossession of the Land of Israel change that Law at all. We are unable, and therefore exempt according to the Law, without a doubt, for many reasons, until the Messiah arrives...G-d forbid that anyone should reconsider or doubt this...And I only discussed these matters out of interest in the subject, due to love of the Holy Temple and the Holy Service.

May the Holy One, Blessed is He, pour upon us a spirit of purity from high above, and may we be found worthy of having G-d's Holy Manifestation in our midst when G-d returns the Service to His Sanctuary speedily, and with our own eyes may we merit seeing everything straightened out.

[Edit by Quasar92: The above reasons in addition to those posed by the Muslims]


From: http://www.beingjewish.com/unchanged/rebuild.html


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There seems to be some confusion about where it was located. There is no specific location in the Scriptures and that Western Wall in Jerusalem might have just been a Roman garrison. The Temple was probably located in the city of David, down the hill just a ways. Technically they wouldn't have to build a Temple, God never wanted one in the first place. The Tabernacle (tent of the meeting) wasn't even kept in Jerusalem for a long time. I don't know where they would get all the gold they would need for that Ark and the Menorah and a whole lot of other things. I think one day they will but I'm really not expecting it anytime soon.
 
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If I had to pick an end time date I would go with the scientist, Isaac Newton...

“And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half.” –Daniel 12:7

From a folio cataloged as Yahuda MS 7.3g, f. 13v:

"So then the time times & half a time are 42 months or 1260 days or three years & an half, reckoning twelve months to a year & 30 days to a month as was done in the Calendar of the primitive year. And the days of short lived Beasts being put for the years of lived kingdoms, the period of 1260 days, if dated from the complete conquest of the three kings A.C. 800, will end A.C. 2060.”" - – Isaac Newton

As Charlemagne was crowned king on December 25, 800 by Pope Leo the III so the day of Christ's coming will be on Christmas Day, 2060. If the rapture of the saints (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17) occurs seven years before the time of Christ’s coming the date of the rapture 12.25 2053. However… Isaac Newton notes…

“It may end later, but I see no reason for its ending sooner. This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fancifull men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, & by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail. Christ comes as a thief in the night, & it is not for us to know the times & seasons which God hath put into his own breast." –- Isaac Newton

Before Christ comes the Anti-Christ must be revealed...

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; - 2 Thessalonians 2:3

Who....

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. - Revelation 13:16-18

I traveled to Tahiti and couldn't help but notice all the electronic devices hooked to databases. All you have to do is swipe your passports and all your information comes up. You can even have your iPhone display your ticket information. We are not far away from having everything stored on a universal database in which we will all be required to be tied to! And for most folk this will be just another tattoo! 2060AD is a very close, scientific, and accurate prediction!

I believe that the Ezekiel 38 prophecy happens before 2060 AD


After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them. - Ezekiel 38:8

In the latter years... Not at the end of days.... If I had to come up with a timeline...

Ephesus - Messianic - Beginning with the Apostle to the Circumcision, Peter - 33 AD
Smyrna - Martyr - Beginning with the Apostle to the Un-Circumcision, Paul - 45 AD
Pergamos - Orthodoxy formed in this time... Pergos is a tower... -300 AD
Thyatira - Catholicism formed in this time -800 AD
Sardis - Protestantism formed in this time- A sardius is a gem - 1300 AD
Philadelphia - Wesleyism formed in this time - 1700 AD
Laodicea - Charismatic movement formed in this time - Beginning with DL Moody, the first to make money off of ministry - 1900 AD

Restoration of Israel - 1948AD
Current Year - 2017AD
Ezekiel 38-39 prophecy - 2027AD
Rebuilding of the temple - 2030AD (Ezekiel 40)
Rapture - 2053 AD
Tribulation - 2053 - 2060 AD
Coming of Christ Jesus - 12.25.2060 - Exactly 1260 years from the time of the inauguration of Charlemagne King.

I believe that we are at the end of the church ages, in which the Lord says,

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; - 2 Thessalonians 2:3

We are living in the times of the great falling away, all we need is the revelation of the antichrist and it is rapture time. But I think that the full restoration of Israel has yet to come.
 
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First, we would need to cut the Book of Hebrews out of our Bible.

Heb 10:16  This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; 
Heb 10:17  And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. 
Heb 10:18  Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. 



Heb 8:13  In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.


Heb 12:18  For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest, 
Heb 12:19  And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more: 
Heb 12:20  (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart: 
Heb 12:21  And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake:) 

Heb 12:22  But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 
Heb 12:23  To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 
Heb 12:24  And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.


and the Book of Galatians...

Gal 4:24  Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. 
Gal 4:25  For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. 
Gal 4:26  But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. 
Gal 4:27  For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. 
Gal 4:28  Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. 
Gal 4:29  But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. 
Gal 4:30  Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. (Paul compelled the Galatian believers to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage".)

Gal 4:31  So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free. 

Why would we want to return to the covenant of "bondage" ?

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According to he Scriptures, there will be two more temples built in Jerusalem. The tribulation temple and the Millennial temple Jesus will build, as recoreded in Zech.6:12-13.

The tribulation temple:
Matthew 24:15 - When you see the “abomination of desolation,” spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place…

2 Thessalonians 2:4 - "...so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God"

Revelation 11:1 - "...Go and measure the temple of God and the alter..."

The Millennial temple:

Ex.40-47


Ezekiel 43:7 - "...this is the place of my throne...This is where I will live among the Israelites forever."

Ezekiel 43:27 - …your priests will your burnt offerings and peace offerings on the altar, and I will accept you, declares the Lord.

Zechariah 6:12 - Here is the Man whose name is the Branch, and he will…build the temple of the Lord. At the present time there is no temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, the location of both the first and second Jewish Temples. Instead, two Muslim shrines, The Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque, stand on he Temple Mount. Meantime, the Jewish people to consider the Temple Mount to be the most sacred place for Jews in all the world. No wonder the Temple Mount is a political powder keg and must be part of any formula for peace in the Middle East!

According to the Bible, a temple will once again stand on the Temple Mount. How and when the Temple Mount will be available for a future emple remains to be seen. Biblical prophecy “buffs” have proposed all kinds of potential scenarios for how all of this could take place—everything from earthquakes to explosives to the collapse of the emple Mount platform!

Some well-meaning Christians have felt that the biblical predictions of a future Temple should be spiritualized, saying that these prophecies refer to the Church or to the individual Christian. Indeed, 1 Corinthians 3:16 makes it quite clear that the Church, as the body of Christ, is the spiritual temple of the Holy Spirit. And in 1 Corinthians 6:19 we are taught that the physical body of every individual believer is to be honored and kept clean, because it is the temple of the Holy Spirit. But these wonderful New Testament truths do not alter the biblical predictions of a literal future Temple in Jerusalem. The question of a future Temple gets more complicated when we realize that the Bible teaches that two temples are yet to stand on the Temple Mount in the future. First will come a Tribulation Temple, followed by a Millennium Temple which will be built when the Lord returns and sets up His kingdom on this earth. Let's look at the Scriptures dealing with these two future temples.

Be sure to check out the following links:

Here: http://www.templemount.org/TM34.html

Here: http://sonstoglory.com/ThirdTempleEzekielsMillennialTemple.htm [No tribulation temple shown]


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According to he Scriptures, there will be two more temples built in Jerusalem. The tribulation temple and the Millennial temple Jesus will build, as recoreded in Zech.6:12-13.

What did Jesus say?

Joh 4:19  The woman said to Him, "Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet. 
Joh 4:20  Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, and you Jews say that in Jerusalem is the place where one ought to worship." 

Joh 4:21  Jesus said to her, "Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father. 
Joh 4:22  You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. 
Joh 4:23  But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 
Joh 4:24  God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." 


What did the author of Hebrews record?

Heb 11:15  And truly if they had called to mind that country from which they had come out, they would have had opportunity to return. 

Heb 11:16  But now they desire a better, that is, a heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them. 


What did Jesus say to John?

Rev 11:8  And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. 

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there is a neat story about julian the apostate who tried to rebuild the temple just to prove the christians wrong and these mysterious fires kept breaking out at the site which kept the construction workers away

Here's a video that mentions the time when Julian the Apostate tried to rebuild the temple in 363AD. About 4 minutes into the video, the speaker tells how when they began to dig that an earthquake tore the ground open, fire came out and the workers were swallowed up.

And there were storms and whirlwinds.


Julian the Apostate's failed attempt at rebuilding the temple

"This he attempted to do by a project of rebuilding the Jewish temple, which, if he could have compassed, it would have sufficiently answered his wicked design; Christ and the prophet Daniel having in express terms foretold not only its destruction, which was effected by the Romans under Titus, but its final ruin and desolation.

In the third place came the earthquake, which cast out the stones of the old foundations, and shook the earth into the trench or cavity dug for the new; besides overthrowing the adjoining buildings and porticos wherein were lodged great numbers of Jews designed for the work, who were all either crushed to death, or at least maimed or wounded. The number of the killed or hurt was increased by the fiery eruption in the fourth place, attended both with storms and tempest above, and with an earthquake below.

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From this eruption, many fled to a neighbouring church for shelter, but could not obtain entrance; whether on account of its being closed by a secret invisible hand, as the fathers state the case, or at least by a special providence, through the entrance into the oratory being choked up by a frighted crowd, all pressing to be foremost. “This, however,” says St. Gregory Nazianzen,33 “is invariably affirmed and believed by all, that as they strove to force their way in by violence, the Fire, which burst from the foundations of the temple, met and stopt them, and one part it burnt and destroyed, and another it desperately maimed, leaving them a living monument of God’s commination and wrath against sinners.”

This eruption was frequently renewed till it overcame the rashness of the most obdurate, to use the words of Socrates; for it continued to be repeated as often as the projectors ventured to renew their attempt, till it had fairly tired them out. Lastly, on the same evening there appeared over Jerusalem a lucid cross, shining very bright, as large as that in the reign of Constantine, encompassed with a circle of light. “And what could be so proper to close this tremendous scene, or to celebrate this decisive victory, as the Cross triumphant, encircled with the Heroic symbol of conquest?”​

Saint Cyril, Archbishop of Jerusalem, Confessor. March 18. Rev. Alban Butler. 1866. Volume III: March. The Lives of the Saints

PS: For any using Firefox browser that don't already know, you can push CTRL+F to bring up the search bar at the bottom. This is helpful to find an area on such a large link of text such as the Bartleby link above. This helped me to locate the Youtube author's source.
 
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Sacrifices are no longer necessary. Jesus was the ultimate and final sacrifice for all people for all time. This includes the Jewish people and many Jews accept Jesus as their Savior...as they should.
True! :oldthumbsup: . But that is not believed by most of the orthodox in Israel. They (unbelieving) will build the temple and they will reinstate the animal sacrifices.They are still rejecting Lord Jesus.
 
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This article is intended to be read after my article "Sacrifices and the Holy Temple." http://www.beingjewish.com/unchanged/sacrifices.html

To be sure, if we had the Holy Temple, we would resume the Holy Service, including the offering of sacrifices. So why don't we rebuild the Holy Temple?The most obvious answer would seem to be that we can't for political and safety reasons. The Muslims have control over the Temple Mount, and for us to destroy the Muslims' holy site to build our own would be a terrible and most dangerous idea. There would be no Jew safe in the entire world, or at least wherever there are Muslims.

When the Messiah comes, may it be soon, this will be resolved in a peaceful way, to everyone's satisfaction. Don't ask me how. If I knew how, I would be the Messiah. Obviously, I am not. (Isn't it refreshing to meet someone on the Internet who is not making outrageous claims about himself?)However, there are other issues involved. Even if we received the consent of every Muslim in the world to raze or move the various Mosques from the Temple Mount, we still would not be permitted to rebuild the Holy Temple just yet.Here's why:

Nowadays it is forbidden to enter the precise area where the Holy Temple used to be, because we are all ritually impure.(1) Whoever does so is violating a Biblical Prohibition punishable by death. In order for any of us to be able to become ritually pure, we would need the ablutions of the ashes of a red cow administered by a Cohen (Priest).(2)Let us assume we have performed this ritual, and are now pure. Now we need an altar. Just any altar wouldn't do, it must be in the Temple area.(3) Therefore we must rebuild the altar. (I'll bypass the problems with that, as they are too complicated to explain.)

The next problem is the location of the Altar. The Law is very precise about just where the Holy Altar must be located. It is forbidden to place the Altar anywhere else. When they built the Second Holy Temple, they had to find reliable witnesses who could testify to the exact spot. They found three such witnesses, the prophets Haggai, Zephaniah and Malachi, but we don't have any prophets or witnesses today. Thus, until a prophet (we assume that it will probably be Elijah) comes and tells us where to build the Altar (among many other things we need to know first), we cannot build the Holy Altar.(4) The answer to this I shall discuss later, Hashem willing.

Without the Holy Altar it is forbidden to bring sacrifices.Let us assume we were able to build the Altar, properly, and in the precise location. We would still need a Cohen whose genealogy can be determined absolutely and verified.(5) The answer to this problem I shall discuss later, Hashem willing.Our next problem is that we must appoint a High Priest, or all Service is forbidden.(6) To appoint a High Priest, we need a Sanhedrin, which is a body of 71 ordained rabbis acting as the Supreme Court of the People Of Israel.(7) We cannot assemble a Sanhedrin, because the Sanhedrin must consist of rabbis ordained with the Mosaic Ordination, which was transmitted from Rabbi to Rabbi since Moses.(8) However, the Mosaic Ordination ceased to exist in the year 358 C.E. because of the persecutioce, and we have made lasting peace with our enemies; when all Jews have returned to the Holy Land of Israel, and religious Jews have complete temporal and religious control over the land, then we will know that our Final Redemption has begns Constantinius perpetrated upon the Jews.(9) This too, I shall answer later, Hashem willing.

There are yet other problems, such as Laws involving the Priestly Garments, the exact measurements of the Temple area, and many, many more, all of which demand as yet undiscovered answers.And there are other types of concerns as well. The Torah does not even consider it a requirement on our part to rebuild the Holy Temple until most or all the Children of Israel live in the land of Israel. And there is also the matter of the Return of the Ten Tribes to consider, which will be part of our Final Redemption.When these things have taken plaun, and we can then turn our thoughts towards rebuilding the Holy Temple.We have a tradition that Elijah the Prophet will arrive and reveal himself to us before the Advent of the Messiah.(10) He will arrive and answer all questions and resolve all doubts.(11) He will reveal to us which families are definitely Cohanim.(12) And he is a recipient of the Ordination Of Moses(13) and can therefore restore the Sanhedrin.

And he will bring peace to the world.Thrice daily, all observant Jews pray: "...and restore the service to the Holy Sanctuary, and the fire-offerings of Israel and their prayer you will accept with love..."Rabbi Moshe Shternbuch, in his work, Moadim Uzmanim,(14) in his treatment of the subject, ends off by saying:And according to what we have explained at length above, there are innumerable reasons why we do not rebuild the Holy Temple or the Altar, nor bring sacrifices today. Nor does the repossession of the Land of Israel change that Law at all. We are unable, and therefore exempt according to the Law, without a doubt, for many reasons, until the Messiah arrives...G-d forbid that anyone should reconsider or doubt this...And I only discussed these matters out of interest in the subject, due to love of the Holy Temple and the Holy Service.

May the Holy One, Blessed is He, pour upon us a spirit of purity from high above, and may we be found worthy of having G-d's Holy Manifestation in our midst when G-d returns the Service to His Sanctuary speedily, and with our own eyes may we merit seeing everything straightened out.

[Edit by Quasar92: The above reasons in addition to those posed by the Muslims]


From: http://www.beingjewish.com/unchanged/rebuild.html


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Christians believe the Messiah (anointed one) is Jesus. Jesus was against the selling of sacrificial animals in the Temple. Jesus quoted Hosea 6:6 For I desire mercy and not sacrifice. A Byzantine emperor banished religions of animal sacrifice. Burning animals without eating them is cruel and wasteful.

There are about 6.6 million Jews in Israel (Wikipedia). According to Haaretz (Israel) the Palestinian population will likely surpass the Jewish population in this decade. Palestinian Population To Pass Jews by 2017 in Israel and Territories

There are over a billion Muslims. Muslims claim the Dome of the Rock as their Holy site. If Israel tries to tear it down, there is risk of uprisings against Israel. Israelis own much of Jerusalem and its suburbs. They pray at the Western Wall that was a retaining wall for the Temple foundation. The Herodian Temple was reduced to a rubbish pile. The Temple stones must have been reused in other building projects or reduced to lime for use in plaster, mortar or concrete. Not one stone was left upon another.
 
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Christians believe the Messiah (anointed one) is Jesus. Jesus was against the selling of sacrificial animals in the Temple. Jesus quoted Hosea 6:6 For I desire mercy and not sacrifice. A Byzantine emperor banished religions of animal sacrifice. Burning animals without eating them is cruel and wasteful.

There are about 6.6 million Jews in Israel (Wikipedia). According to Haaretz (Israel) the Palestinian population will likely surpass the Jewish population in this decade. Palestinian Population To Pass Jews by 2017 in Israel and Territories

There are over a billion Muslims. Muslims claim the Dome of the Rock as their Holy site. If Israel tries to tear it down, there is risk of uprisings against Israel. Israelis own much of Jerusalem and its suburbs. They pray at the Western Wall that was a retaining wall for the Temple foundation. The Herodian Temple was reduced to a rubbish pile. The Temple stones must have been reused in other building projects or reduced to lime for use in plaster, mortar or concrete. Not one stone was left upon another.

I don't believe that this is all by accident. What we have here is God's Hand in bringing this about. He did this so that we would NOT build another temple there.

Because if this set up was not in place, if there were no Dome of the Rock sitting there now, the Jews may have already tried to rebuild another one in that spot.
 
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This article is intended to be read after my article "Sacrifices and the Holy Temple." http://www.beingjewish.com/unchanged/sacrifices.html

To be sure, if we had the Holy Temple, we would resume the Holy Service, including the offering of sacrifices. So why don't we rebuild the Holy Temple?The most obvious answer would seem to be that we can't for political and safety reasons. The Muslims have control over the Temple Mount, and for us to destroy the Muslims' holy site to build our own would be a terrible and most dangerous idea. There would be no Jew safe in the entire world, or at least wherever there are Muslims.

When the Messiah comes, may it be soon, this will be resolved in a peaceful way, to everyone's satisfaction. Don't ask me how. If I knew how, I would be the Messiah. Obviously, I am not. (Isn't it refreshing to meet someone on the Internet who is not making outrageous claims about himself?)However, there are other issues involved. Even if we received the consent of every Muslim in the world to raze or move the various Mosques from the Temple Mount, we still would not be permitted to rebuild the Holy Temple just yet.Here's why:

Nowadays it is forbidden to enter the precise area where the Holy Temple used to be, because we are all ritually impure.(1) Whoever does so is violating a Biblical Prohibition punishable by death. In order for any of us to be able to become ritually pure, we would need the ablutions of the ashes of a red cow administered by a Cohen (Priest).(2)Let us assume we have performed this ritual, and are now pure. Now we need an altar. Just any altar wouldn't do, it must be in the Temple area.(3) Therefore we must rebuild the altar. (I'll bypass the problems with that, as they are too complicated to explain.)

The next problem is the location of the Altar. The Law is very precise about just where the Holy Altar must be located. It is forbidden to place the Altar anywhere else. When they built the Second Holy Temple, they had to find reliable witnesses who could testify to the exact spot. They found three such witnesses, the prophets Haggai, Zephaniah and Malachi, but we don't have any prophets or witnesses today. Thus, until a prophet (we assume that it will probably be Elijah) comes and tells us where to build the Altar (among many other things we need to know first), we cannot build the Holy Altar.(4) The answer to this I shall discuss later, Hashem willing.

Without the Holy Altar it is forbidden to bring sacrifices.Let us assume we were able to build the Altar, properly, and in the precise location. We would still need a Cohen whose genealogy can be determined absolutely and verified.(5) The answer to this problem I shall discuss later, Hashem willing.Our next problem is that we must appoint a High Priest, or all Service is forbidden.(6) To appoint a High Priest, we need a Sanhedrin, which is a body of 71 ordained rabbis acting as the Supreme Court of the People Of Israel.(7) We cannot assemble a Sanhedrin, because the Sanhedrin must consist of rabbis ordained with the Mosaic Ordination, which was transmitted from Rabbi to Rabbi since Moses.(8) However, the Mosaic Ordination ceased to exist in the year 358 C.E. because of the persecutioce, and we have made lasting peace with our enemies; when all Jews have returned to the Holy Land of Israel, and religious Jews have complete temporal and religious control over the land, then we will know that our Final Redemption has begns Constantinius perpetrated upon the Jews.(9) This too, I shall answer later, Hashem willing.

There are yet other problems, such as Laws involving the Priestly Garments, the exact measurements of the Temple area, and many, many more, all of which demand as yet undiscovered answers.And there are other types of concerns as well. The Torah does not even consider it a requirement on our part to rebuild the Holy Temple until most or all the Children of Israel live in the land of Israel. And there is also the matter of the Return of the Ten Tribes to consider, which will be part of our Final Redemption.When these things have taken plaun, and we can then turn our thoughts towards rebuilding the Holy Temple.We have a tradition that Elijah the Prophet will arrive and reveal himself to us before the Advent of the Messiah.(10) He will arrive and answer all questions and resolve all doubts.(11) He will reveal to us which families are definitely Cohanim.(12) And he is a recipient of the Ordination Of Moses(13) and can therefore restore the Sanhedrin.

And he will bring peace to the world.Thrice daily, all observant Jews pray: "...and restore the service to the Holy Sanctuary, and the fire-offerings of Israel and their prayer you will accept with love..."Rabbi Moshe Shternbuch, in his work, Moadim Uzmanim,(14) in his treatment of the subject, ends off by saying:And according to what we have explained at length above, there are innumerable reasons why we do not rebuild the Holy Temple or the Altar, nor bring sacrifices today. Nor does the repossession of the Land of Israel change that Law at all. We are unable, and therefore exempt according to the Law, without a doubt, for many reasons, until the Messiah arrives...G-d forbid that anyone should reconsider or doubt this...And I only discussed these matters out of interest in the subject, due to love of the Holy Temple and the Holy Service.

May the Holy One, Blessed is He, pour upon us a spirit of purity from high above, and may we be found worthy of having G-d's Holy Manifestation in our midst when G-d returns the Service to His Sanctuary speedily, and with our own eyes may we merit seeing everything straightened out.

[Edit by Quasar92: The above reasons in addition to those posed by the Muslims]


From: http://www.beingjewish.com/unchanged/rebuild.html


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WE have no need for the "temple", we are the temple.
 
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What did Jesus say?

Joh 4:19  The woman said to Him, "Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet. 
Joh 4:20  Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, and you Jews say that in Jerusalem is the place where one ought to worship." 

Joh 4:21  Jesus said to her, "Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father. 
Joh 4:22  You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. 
Joh 4:23  But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 
Joh 4:24  God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." 


What did the author of Hebrews record?

Heb 11:15  And truly if they had called to mind that country from which they had come out, they would have had opportunity to return. 

Heb 11:16  But now they desire a better, that is, a heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them. 


What did Jesus say to John?

Rev 11:8  And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. 

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No mount of screaming and hollering you do, it ill NEVER turn away the Scriptural prophecies of Jesus physical reign on the throne of David, in the restored kingdom of Israel, as documented in Acts 1:6; 2:29-30; 15:15 and Rev.20:6, as well as that which is in my post #27 about the two brick and stone temples yet to be built in physical Jerusalem, in which Jesus will build the Millennial temple recorded in Zech.6:12-13, described in Ez.40-47. Every spec of it literl prophecy in which there is no excuse for any attempt in allegorically spiritualizig it as you have done in the above.


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WE have no need for the "temple", we are the temple.


Then please explain to me why Jesus is going to build the Millennial temple, recorded in Zech.6:12-13, described in Ez.40-57.


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Then please explain to me why Jesus is going to build the Millennial temple, recorded in Zech.6:12-13, described in Ez.40-57.


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That is a temple not of stone he is speaking of. Jesus said I tell you the truth not one stone will be left upon another, then it happened. Jesus is the sacrifice, there is no need for sacrifices anymore.
 
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To be sure, if we had the Holy Temple, we would resume the Holy Service, including the offering of sacrifices. So why don't we rebuild the Holy Temple?The most obvious answer would seem to be that we can't for political and safety reasons. The Muslims have control over the Temple Mount, and for us to destroy the Muslims' holy site to build our own would be a terrible and most dangerous idea. There would be no Jew safe in the entire world, or at least wherever there are Muslims.

Are we under the LAW (the Mosaic Law) or under Grace? We no longer need a temple and animal sacrifice!
 
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Every spec of it literl prophecy in which there is no excuse for any attempt in allegorically spiritualizig it as you have done in the above.

If I simply posted the words of Jesus and other New Testament authors, how can you call that "allegorically spiritualizing"?

If you cannot get what you are claiming to line up with scripture straight from the New Testament, then it is you who has a problem with a "literal" interpretation of God's Word.

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