Rating my post a passive aggressive "prayers" does nothing but show the levels you are willing to stoop to.
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I am not a new Christian but have some questions. The Gospel as I understand it is: God wants a relationship with us and for us to enter Heaven. But we are sinful and God does not let sin enter Heaven. Luckily God provides us a way out-His son Jesus. Jesus was God in flesh who took the penalty of our sin by his death/ resurrection.
To be saved you must believe Jesus's sacrifice as the only payment for your sins; you can't save yourself. Obedience will not save but obedience naturally comes after being saved. After being regenerated we obey God's commands because we have been saved.
Some believe you can lose your salvation. If that's the case then why did Christ endure one of the worst deaths imaginable? Or that we can stop sinning in this life. I believe we still sin but our attitude towards sin should change and we should start to sin less.
On here I've seen arguments regarding salvation and other things go on for pages. Everyone sure their position is the correct one.
Then how can anyone find out the truth? How can we find out through the word? As a Christian I want to know.
I'm really worried that I have done it. I'm really worried that I cannot come back
I'm curious as to what people make of 1 Corinthians 5:4-5
My interpretation of this is, the brother whom Paul is referencing is saved (sealed) with the Holy Spirit (unwavering belief in Christ's sacrifice) yet continues in a sinful lifestyle.
Paul implores: "[5]To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
Who's spirit? The spirit of the fornicating brother Paul is referencing. Has this man, by his rebellious actions against Christ's commands, lost his salvation in Christ? Does God change His mind and revoke His Justification of the believer?
Just trying to understand,
Peace
Hi, is there anyway I could message you because I myself am struggling with unbelief. I don't want to be an unbeliever I want to beleive it I can't conquer these doubts and I stand guilty infront of the lord because I used to beleive in him but now I'm afraid he's mad at me because I stopped beleiving. I have no control over this! I wish I could beleive! But my mind is blinded!!I Cor 5:4-5 isn't generally taken by any group to refer to someone who lost his salvation. He was caught up in a sin, yes, but that's not the same thing. Paul asked that he be tossed out of the church, but this discipline was *for the purpose* that his spirit would be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. If he had already lost his salvation, then why would Paul hope for such a thing? However, if there was not a risk of the loss of salvation, why would Paul be worried about the man's spirit at all?
Many biblical commentators take the man of II Cor 2:5-8 to see the same believer, only now repentant and seeking back into fellowship.
"If anyone has caused grief, he has not so much grieved me as he has grieved all of you to some extent—not to put it too severely. The punishment inflicted on him by the majority is sufficient. Now instead, you ought to forgive and comfort him, so that he will not be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow. I urge you, therefore, to reaffirm your love for him." II Cor 2:5-8
The passage isn't directly related to the topic of preservation of the saints or eternal security. Loss of salvation doesn't come by being caught up in a sin nor by being kicked out of the church for a time. It's caused by the cessation of belief; the rejection of Christ, and hence the rejection of the salvation believers hold. (Heb 6:4-6, I Tim 1:9, I Tim 4:1, etc.)
Hi, is there anyway I could message you because I myself am struggling with unbelief. I don't want to be an unbeliever I want to beleive it I can't conquer these doubts and I stand guilty infront of the lord because I used to beleive in him but now I'm afraid he's mad at me because I stopped beleiving. I have no control over this! I wish I could beleive! But my mind is blinded!!
Idk how to message youI think you can message with the little quote icon under someone's post?
Perhaps you might find the prayer of Mark 9:24 useful: “I do believe; help me overcome my unbelief!”
Many Christians struggle with doubts at times. Doubt is one of the more frequent attacks from the world. Arguments that seem based in science, popular culture, or history are thrown at Christians like flaming darts.
How can I stop doubting Jesus?
What does the Bible say about doubt?
If you doubt your salvation, does that mean you are not truly saved?
How can I overcome doubt in my relationship with God?
But by that logic, that Christ's awful act of self-sacrifice should guarantee the salvation of those who've once considered themselves to be saved, regardless of their behavior later, then why would His death not be sufficient to save all to begin with?Some believe you can lose your salvation. If that's the case then why did Christ endure one of the worst deaths imaginable?
Hi! Enjoyed your thoughtful and provocative question. I had similar questions a number of years ago and a friend handed me this booklet which I found very helpful. I do not pretend to have all the answers to this deep subject but I can say for sure the study I am passing on to you is at the least very interesting and out of left field from the usual chatter. God Bless.I am not a new Christian but have some questions. The Gospel as I understand it is: God wants a relationship with us and for us to enter Heaven. But we are sinful and God does not let sin enter Heaven. Luckily God provides us a way out-His son Jesus. Jesus was God in flesh who took the penalty of our sin by his death/ resurrection.
To be saved you must believe Jesus's sacrifice as the only payment for your sins; you can't save yourself. Obedience will not save but obedience naturally comes after being saved. After being regenerated we obey God's commands because we have been saved.
Some believe you can lose your salvation. If that's the case then why did Christ endure one of the worst deaths imaginable? Or that we can stop sinning in this life. I believe we still sin but our attitude towards sin should change and we should start to sin less.
On here I've seen arguments regarding salvation and other things go on for pages. Everyone sure their position is the correct one.
Then how can anyone find out the truth? How can we find out through the word? As a Christian I want to know.
Ephesians 1:13 - In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory. Praise God!Ephesians 4:30 - sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption
Ephesians 1:13 - sealed
I've heard three different interpretations for Hebrews 6:4-6 (hypothetical view, lost salvation view, never truly saved view) but am not convinced that it teaches a really "saved" person really "lost their salvation." NOWHERE does the Bible use the words "lost salvation." In regards to once enlightened, the word enlightened means to bring to light, to shed light upon or to cause light to shine upon some object, in the sense of illuminating it. This light either leads to the complete acceptance of Jesus Christ or produces condemnation in those who reject such light.You can not just lump Scriptures together to back any belief and IGNORE OTHERS that say different. All Scripture works together
Explain Hebrews 6:4-6
4For it isimpossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 and have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 if they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put himto an open shame.
Blessings
FCJ
To "sin willfully" in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is CONTINUOUS ACTION - A MATTER OF PRACTICE. Now we don't walk along our daily life and accidently fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows a CONTINUOUS ACTION.If you have faith, then you haven't fallen away. Falling away (defection from Christ) and deliberately, willfully returning the state of sin (not struggling or repeating a specific sin) are what Heb 6:4-6, Heb 10:26, and other related passages are about.
What does the Hebrews 10:26 mean concerning 'willful sin?'
Struggling with a sin, repeating a sin, drifting away, having doubts - none of those are rejecting faith or returning to slavery to sin.
2 Peter 2:20 - Those who are truly born of God have received a new nature, a divine nature, and they have new and different appetites and desires. They have been transformed from pigs and dogs into sheep. The change is more than just cosmetic, as in 2 Peter 2:20. *These cleaned up on the outside dogs and pigs were never sheep.According to 2 Peter 2:21, it would be better for people to never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them, which I think clearly indicates that we can lose our salvation.
If you want to be saved like Jesus was saved, you must do as he did.I am not a new Christian but have some questions. The Gospel as I understand it is: God wants a relationship with us and for us to enter Heaven. But we are sinful and God does not let sin enter Heaven. Luckily God provides us a way out-His son Jesus. Jesus was God in flesh who took the penalty of our sin by his death/ resurrection.
To be saved you must believe Jesus's sacrifice as the only payment for your sins; you can't save yourself. Obedience will not save but obedience naturally comes after being saved. After being regenerated we obey God's commands because we have been saved.
Some believe you can lose your salvation. If that's the case then why did Christ endure one of the worst deaths imaginable? Or that we can stop sinning in this life. I believe we still sin but our attitude towards sin should change and we should start to sin less.
On here I've seen arguments regarding salvation and other things go on for pages. Everyone sure their position is the correct one.
Then how can anyone find out the truth? How can we find out through the word? As a Christian I want to know.