Which Type of Dispensational Are You and Why?

[5thKingdom]

I am saying that the gospel which was preached to Cornelius was the same gospel which had been preached to the Jews (Acts 10:37). That is not the same gospel which Paul refers to here which he preached to the Gentiles:

"But when God, who set me apart from birth and called me by his grace, was pleased to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not consult any man, nor did I go up to Jerusalem to see those who were apostles before I was, but I went immediately into Arabia and later returned to Damascus" (Gal.1:15-17).​

When Paul received a gospel from the Lord Jesus on the Damascus road he immediately went to Damascus (Acts 9:6-8) and then preached to the Jews that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God (Acts 9:20-22). But when he received the gospel which he preached among the Gentiles he went immediately into Arabia. That can only mean that two different gospels were preached during the Acts period.

There was a Gospel for the (1st) Pre-Flood "Kingdom of Heaven" (Adam to Noah)
There was a Gospel for the (2nd) Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 22:2]
There was a Gospel for the (3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 13]
There was a Gospel for the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1]
And there is a "new song" for the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:5,7,8,19]

The Gospel preached to the Jews during the (3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven"
was the same Gospel preached to the Gentiles during the Christian Kingdom and
the same Gospel preached to the churches as RECORDED in church history.

Did you know the Bible actually NAMES four of the five "Kingdoms of Heaven" in Matthew?
Of course everyone knows the (2nd) Jewish Kingdom follows the (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdmom.


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[HighCherub]

It's all nonsense.

Dispensationalism is, by all accounts, heresy brought on from the pity for Jews during the Holocaust.
And it's propelled further by a hatred of Muslims who hate the Jews.

A dispensationalist is a person with something called 'Stockholm Syndrome'- a person who can't figure out that they are victims held captive by the very one's they adamantly defend

 

[Jerry Shugart]

It's all nonsense.

Dispensationalism is, by all accounts, heresy brought on from the pity for Jews during the Holocaust.

John Nelson Darby is credited with being the father of modern dispensationalism and he died many years before the Holocaust!

 

[HighCherub]

John Nelson Darby is credited with being the father of modern dispensationalism and he died many years before the Holocaust!

If you payid attention to what I was saying, the Holocaust and the current disdain for Islam perpetuated Darby- Darbyism was a cult until forty years ago, bucko, and is on only like 70 million strong. It's not in league with anything, it simply steps to it's own obnoxious voice.

 

[HighCherub]

They deny Baptism for crying out loud

 

[Jerry Shugart]

The only obnoxious voice is yours!

Unlike you, I believe Paul when he says that there is but one baptism for today (Eph.4:5) and the spiritual minded know that baptism is the one where the Holy Spirit baptizes believers into the Body of Christ (1 Cor. 12:13).

 

[HighCherub]

The only obnoxious voice is yours!

Unlike you, I believe Paul when he says that there is but one baptism for today (Eph.4:5) and the spiritual minded know that baptism is the one where the Holy Spirit baptizes believers into the Body of Christ (1 Cor. 12:13).

Early Christians baptized with buckets and spoons, brother, and if you think it was only Jews than you simply labor under highly convenient delusion.

The Apostles tried to not have people killed for practicing Christianity, as it was illegal basically everywhere- but here you are saying baptism wasn't necessary.

This is one of those things that I try to stay away from, but MADists, well, make me mad

 

[Jerry Shugart]

What is it about "one baptism" that do you not understand?

 

[Biblewriter]

They deny Baptism for crying out loud

I have been a Dispensational teacher for fifty years, And have never, even once, heard any Dispensationalist deny Baptism, nor have I ever seen such a denial in print from even one of the many Dispensational teachers I have read.

 

[Biblewriter]

It's all nonsense.

Dispensationalism is, by all accounts, heresy brought on from the pity for Jews during the Holocaust.
And it's propelled further by a hatred of Muslims who hate the Jews.

A dispensationalist is a person with something called 'Stockholm Syndrome'- a person who can't figure out that they are victims held captive by the very one's they adamantly defend

There was a time when the doctrine of salvation by grace through faith was considered heresy. And there was a time when Sola Scriptura was consided heresy. So your charge that Dispensationalism is heresy is meaningless. The only thing that counts is whether or not the Bible teaches it.

If by Dispensationalism, you mean the doctrine that in the last days, God will bring all Israel back to its ancient homeland and bless it there. The scriptures explicitly state this, in plain words, more times than can be counted. So denying this is rank unbelief in the explicitly stated promises of God.

And if by Dispensationalism, you mean the doctrine that in the future, God will physically remove all the true believers from the world. The scriptures explicitly state this, in words so plain that it is rank unbelief to deny it.

And if by dispensationalism you mean that the rapture will take place before the tribulation. This is an interpretation that can legitimately be discussed, pro or con.

Dispensationalism, in essentially its modern form, was being taught in the mid 1700s. And its origins go all the way back to before the year 200. Furthermore, it had become established doctrine, widely taught in fundamental Christian churches, well before the beginning of World War 1. So you need to study the history of Christian doctrine.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

I have been a Dispensational teacher for fifty years, And have never, even once, heard any Dispensationalist deny Baptism, nor have I ever seen such a denial in print from even one of the many Dispensational teachers I have read.

Then you obviously have no understanding of the purpose of water baptism when it was practiced in the first century.

 

[Biblewriter]

Then you obviously have no understanding of the purpose of water baptism when it was practiced in the first century.

Enlighten me.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

The rite of water baptism served to "make ready a people prepared for the Lord " so that they "might serve Him...in holiness and righteousness " (Lk.1:17,74,75).

The children of Israel could not serve The Lord Jesus in righteousness and holiness as long as they remained living a life that defiled them. Therefore, they were to "repent" (have a change of mind) in regard to the sinful lifestyle they were living. When a person submitted to the rite he was pledging to change his lifestyle and in return that person could start with a fresh slate, having his sins forgiven.

But this rite was centered on the coming of the promised Messiah and serving Him on the earth while He rules during the 1000 year reign. But now all that is changed. We are now waiting for the appearing of the Lord Jesus and at that time we will put on bodies just like His glorious body.

 

[Biblewriter]

The rite of water baptism served to "make ready a people prepared for the Lord " so that they "might serve Him...in holiness and righteousness " (Lk.1:17,74,75).

The children of Israel could not serve The Lord Jesus in righteousness and holiness as long as they remained living a life that defiled them. Therefore, they were to "repent" (have a change of mind) in regard to the sinful lifestyle they were living. When a person submitted to the rite he was pledging to change his lifestyle and in return that person could start with a fresh slate, having his sins forgiven.

But this rite was centered on the coming of the promised Messiah and serving Him on the earth while He rules during the 1000 year reign. But now all that is changed. We are now waiting for the appearing of the Lord Jesus and at that time we will put on bodies just like His glorious body.

What part of this do Dispensationalists deny?

 

[Jerry Shugart]

What part of this do Dispensationalists deny?

The many dispensationalists who insist that the rite of water baptism is in effect today fail to understand these basic facts.

 

[Biblewriter]

The many dispensationalists who insist that the rite of water baptism is in effect today fail to understand these basic facts.

When was this retracted?

"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," Matthew 28:19

It seems rather obvious that the one denying baptism is the one claiming it no longer applies, not the one pointing out that our Lord's last reported command on this earth included doing it, and that this was never retracted.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

When was this retracted?

About the same time this was retracted:

"And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover" (Mk.16:17-18).

Have you had your daily dose of poison?

 

[Biblewriter]

About the same time this was retracted:

"And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover" (Mk.16:17-18).

Have you had your daily dose of poison?

You cannot cite even one scripture that even implies that this command was ever retracted or modified.

And although I reject charisma as unbiblical, I have a personal friend who suffered a number of assassination attempts, including actually getting a lethal dose of poison onside him. He survived them all. And I have both personally laid hands on the sick and had them recover and as late as four weeks ago, witnessed scriptural laying on of hands and prayer for a seriously ill person, and seen total reversal of the symptoms..

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Are you saying that those who speak in tongues today are following in the footsteps of those who were speaking in tongues on the day of Pentecost?

 

[Biblewriter]

Are you saying that those who speak in tongues today are following in the footsteps of those who were speaking in tongues on the day of Pentecost?

No.

I do not think that the "tongues" practiced today are even the same thing as the tongues experienced in the New Testament. And even if they were the the same, they are not being practiced in accordance with the scriptural instructions.

And I do not believe in faith healers. Just in faith healing.