Why Doesn't Israel Rebuild The Holy Temple?

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This article is intended to be read after my article "Sacrifices and the Holy Temple." http://www.beingjewish.com/unchanged/sacrifices.html

To be sure, if we had the Holy Temple, we would resume the Holy Service, including the offering of sacrifices. So why don't we rebuild the Holy Temple?The most obvious answer would seem to be that we can't for political and safety reasons. The Muslims have control over the Temple Mount, and for us to destroy the Muslims' holy site to build our own would be a terrible and most dangerous idea. There would be no Jew safe in the entire world, or at least wherever there are Muslims.

When the Messiah comes, may it be soon, this will be resolved in a peaceful way, to everyone's satisfaction. Don't ask me how. If I knew how, I would be the Messiah. Obviously, I am not. (Isn't it refreshing to meet someone on the Internet who is not making outrageous claims about himself?)However, there are other issues involved. Even if we received the consent of every Muslim in the world to raze or move the various Mosques from the Temple Mount, we still would not be permitted to rebuild the Holy Temple just yet.Here's why:

Nowadays it is forbidden to enter the precise area where the Holy Temple used to be, because we are all ritually impure.(1) Whoever does so is violating a Biblical Prohibition punishable by death. In order for any of us to be able to become ritually pure, we would need the ablutions of the ashes of a red cow administered by a Cohen (Priest).(2)Let us assume we have performed this ritual, and are now pure. Now we need an altar. Just any altar wouldn't do, it must be in the Temple area.(3) Therefore we must rebuild the altar. (I'll bypass the problems with that, as they are too complicated to explain.)

The next problem is the location of the Altar. The Law is very precise about just where the Holy Altar must be located. It is forbidden to place the Altar anywhere else. When they built the Second Holy Temple, they had to find reliable witnesses who could testify to the exact spot. They found three such witnesses, the prophets Haggai, Zephaniah and Malachi, but we don't have any prophets or witnesses today. Thus, until a prophet (we assume that it will probably be Elijah) comes and tells us where to build the Altar (among many other things we need to know first), we cannot build the Holy Altar.(4) The answer to this I shall discuss later, Hashem willing.

Without the Holy Altar it is forbidden to bring sacrifices.Let us assume we were able to build the Altar, properly, and in the precise location. We would still need a Cohen whose genealogy can be determined absolutely and verified.(5) The answer to this problem I shall discuss later, Hashem willing.Our next problem is that we must appoint a High Priest, or all Service is forbidden.(6) To appoint a High Priest, we need a Sanhedrin, which is a body of 71 ordained rabbis acting as the Supreme Court of the People Of Israel.(7) We cannot assemble a Sanhedrin, because the Sanhedrin must consist of rabbis ordained with the Mosaic Ordination, which was transmitted from Rabbi to Rabbi since Moses.(8) However, the Mosaic Ordination ceased to exist in the year 358 C.E. because of the persecutioce, and we have made lasting peace with our enemies; when all Jews have returned to the Holy Land of Israel, and religious Jews have complete temporal and religious control over the land, then we will know that our Final Redemption has begns Constantinius perpetrated upon the Jews.(9) This too, I shall answer later, Hashem willing.

There are yet other problems, such as Laws involving the Priestly Garments, the exact measurements of the Temple area, and many, many more, all of which demand as yet undiscovered answers.And there are other types of concerns as well. The Torah does not even consider it a requirement on our part to rebuild the Holy Temple until most or all the Children of Israel live in the land of Israel. And there is also the matter of the Return of the Ten Tribes to consider, which will be part of our Final Redemption.When these things have taken plaun, and we can then turn our thoughts towards rebuilding the Holy Temple.We have a tradition that Elijah the Prophet will arrive and reveal himself to us before the Advent of the Messiah.(10) He will arrive and answer all questions and resolve all doubts.(11) He will reveal to us which families are definitely Cohanim.(12) And he is a recipient of the Ordination Of Moses(13) and can therefore restore the Sanhedrin.

And he will bring peace to the world.Thrice daily, all observant Jews pray: "...and restore the service to the Holy Sanctuary, and the fire-offerings of Israel and their prayer you will accept with love..."Rabbi Moshe Shternbuch, in his work, Moadim Uzmanim,(14) in his treatment of the subject, ends off by saying:And according to what we have explained at length above, there are innumerable reasons why we do not rebuild the Holy Temple or the Altar, nor bring sacrifices today. Nor does the repossession of the Land of Israel change that Law at all. We are unable, and therefore exempt according to the Law, without a doubt, for many reasons, until the Messiah arrives...G-d forbid that anyone should reconsider or doubt this...And I only discussed these matters out of interest in the subject, due to love of the Holy Temple and the Holy Service.

May the Holy One, Blessed is He, pour upon us a spirit of purity from high above, and may we be found worthy of having G-d's Holy Manifestation in our midst when G-d returns the Service to His Sanctuary speedily, and with our own eyes may we merit seeing everything straightened out.

[Edit by Quasar92: The above reasons in addition to those posed by the Muslims]


From: http://www.beingjewish.com/unchanged/rebuild.html


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This article is intended to be read after my article "Sacrifices and the Holy Temple." http://www.beingjewish.com/unchanged/sacrifices.html

To be sure, if we had the Holy Temple, we would resume the Holy Service, including the offering of sacrifices. So why don't we rebuild the Holy Temple?The most obvious answer would seem to be that we can't for political and safety reasons. The Muslims have control over the Temple Mount, and for us to destroy the Muslims' holy site to build our own would be a terrible and most dangerous idea. There would be no Jew safe in the entire world, or at least wherever there are Muslims.

When the Messiah comes, may it be soon, this will be resolved in a peaceful way, to everyone's satisfaction. Don't ask me how. If I knew how, I would be the Messiah. Obviously, I am not. (Isn't it refreshing to meet someone on the Internet who is not making outrageous claims about himself?)However, there are other issues involved. Even if we received the consent of every Muslim in the world to raze or move the various Mosques from the Temple Mount, we still would not be permitted to rebuild the Holy Temple just yet.Here's why:

Nowadays it is forbidden to enter the precise area where the Holy Temple used to be, because we are all ritually impure.(1) Whoever does so is violating a Biblical Prohibition punishable by death. In order for any of us to be able to become ritually pure, we would need the ablutions of the ashes of a red cow administered by a Cohen (Priest).(2)Let us assume we have performed this ritual, and are now pure. Now we need an altar. Just any altar wouldn't do, it must be in the Temple area.(3) Therefore we must rebuild the altar. (I'll bypass the problems with that, as they are too complicated to explain.)

The next problem is the location of the Altar. The Law is very precise about just where the Holy Altar must be located. It is forbidden to place the Altar anywhere else. When they built the Second Holy Temple, they had to find reliable witnesses who could testify to the exact spot. They found three such witnesses, the prophets Haggai, Zephaniah and Malachi, but we don't have any prophets or witnesses today. Thus, until a prophet (we assume that it will probably be Elijah) comes and tells us where to build the Altar (among many other things we need to know first), we cannot build the Holy Altar.(4) The answer to this I shall discuss later, Hashem willing.

Without the Holy Altar it is forbidden to bring sacrifices.Let us assume we were able to build the Altar, properly, and in the precise location. We would still need a Cohen whose genealogy can be determined absolutely and verified.(5) The answer to this problem I shall discuss later, Hashem willing.Our next problem is that we must appoint a High Priest, or all Service is forbidden.(6) To appoint a High Priest, we need a Sanhedrin, which is a body of 71 ordained rabbis acting as the Supreme Court of the People Of Israel.(7) We cannot assemble a Sanhedrin, because the Sanhedrin must consist of rabbis ordained with the Mosaic Ordination, which was transmitted from Rabbi to Rabbi since Moses.(8) However, the Mosaic Ordination ceased to exist in the year 358 C.E. because of the persecutioce, and we have made lasting peace with our enemies; when all Jews have returned to the Holy Land of Israel, and religious Jews have complete temporal and religious control over the land, then we will know that our Final Redemption has begns Constantinius perpetrated upon the Jews.(9) This too, I shall answer later, Hashem willing.

There are yet other problems, such as Laws involving the Priestly Garments, the exact measurements of the Temple area, and many, many more, all of which demand as yet undiscovered answers.And there are other types of concerns as well. The Torah does not even consider it a requirement on our part to rebuild the Holy Temple until most or all the Children of Israel live in the land of Israel. And there is also the matter of the Return of the Ten Tribes to consider, which will be part of our Final Redemption.When these things have taken plaun, and we can then turn our thoughts towards rebuilding the Holy Temple.We have a tradition that Elijah the Prophet will arrive and reveal himself to us before the Advent of the Messiah.(10) He will arrive and answer all questions and resolve all doubts.(11) He will reveal to us which families are definitely Cohanim.(12) And he is a recipient of the Ordination Of Moses(13) and can therefore restore the Sanhedrin.

And he will bring peace to the world.Thrice daily, all observant Jews pray: "...and restore the service to the Holy Sanctuary, and the fire-offerings of Israel and their prayer you will accept with love..."Rabbi Moshe Shternbuch, in his work, Moadim Uzmanim,(14) in his treatment of the subject, ends off by saying:And according to what we have explained at length above, there are innumerable reasons why we do not rebuild the Holy Temple or the Altar, nor bring sacrifices today. Nor does the repossession of the Land of Israel change that Law at all. We are unable, and therefore exempt according to the Law, without a doubt, for many reasons, until the Messiah arrives...G-d forbid that anyone should reconsider or doubt this...And I only discussed these matters out of interest in the subject, due to love of the Holy Temple and the Holy Service.

May the Holy One, Blessed is He, pour upon us a spirit of purity from high above, and may we be found worthy of having G-d's Holy Manifestation in our midst when G-d returns the Service to His Sanctuary speedily, and with our own eyes may we merit seeing everything straightened out.

[Edit by Quasar92: The above reasons in addition to those posed by the Muslims]


From: http://www.beingjewish.com/unchanged/rebuild.html


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That big last war where the armies of the world converge on Israel to destroy her, then the Messiah returns to save Israel, and the sword out of His mouth is the Word of God, and it will take the Jews 8 months to bury the dead; kinda like the 6 day war only BIGGER, there will be no problem rebuilding that temple!
 
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Why Doesn't Israel Rebuild The Holy Temple?
Great post. Another question I want to ask is, why doesn't God help out by destroying the Gold Dome? Could it be He doesn't desire one be built?
The Temple and Sanctuary probably never get started in my lifetime, so I really don't even think about it. My heart and prayers goes out to them pray they will come to Christ

Deut 28:
65 "Among those nations you shall find no rest, and there will be no resting place for the sole of your foot; but there the LORD will give you a trembling heart, failing of eyes, and despair of soul.
66 "and becomes lives of thee being hung to thee from in front of, and thou art afraid night and by day, and not thou be sure in lives of thee.
67 "In the morning you shall say, 'Would that it were evening!' And at evening you shall say, 'Would that it were morning!'
because of the dread of your heart which you dread, and for the sight of your eyes which you will see.


http://www.bible.ca/pre-destruction70AD-georgRomans e-holford-1805AD.htm

........Thus they cut the very sinews of their own strength. At this critical and alarming conjuncture, intelligence arrived that the Roman an army was approaching the city.
The Jews were petrified with astonishment and fear ; there was no time for counsel, no hope of pacification, no means of flight:-- all was wild disorder and perplexity :- nothing was to be heard but "the confused noise of the warrior, " -- nothing to be seen but garments rolled in blood," -- nothing to be expected from the but signal and exemplary vengeance. A ceaseless cry of combatants was heard day and night, and yet the lamentations of mourners were still more dreadful.

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover. At this season multitudes came up from all the surrounding country, and from distant parts, to keep the festival and the city was at this time crowded with Jewish strangers,................
.......The Temple now presented little more than a heap of ruins......................

Of the Jews destroyed during the siege, Josephus reckons not less than ONE MILLION AND ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND,.................
Of the captives the whole was about NINETY-SEVEN THOUSAND......................

Luke 21:24“And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations.
And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Reve 13:10 If any to-captivity into captivity is going away.
If any in sword to be killed, is binding him in sword to be killed.
Here is the endurance and the faith of the saints.

[Luke 21:24]

I would hate to wake up everyday and see that Muslim building looming in the distance.

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To be sure, if we had the Holy Temple, we would resume the Holy Service, including the offering of sacrifices. So why don't we rebuild the Holy Temple?The most obvious answer would seem to be that we can't for political and safety reasons.

First, we would need to cut the Book of Hebrews out of our Bible.

Heb 10:16  This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; 
Heb 10:17  And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. 
Heb 10:18  Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. 



Heb 8:13  In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.


Heb 12:18  For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest, 
Heb 12:19  And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more: 
Heb 12:20  (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart: 
Heb 12:21  And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake:) 

Heb 12:22  But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 
Heb 12:23  To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 
Heb 12:24  And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.


and the Book of Galatians...

Gal 4:24  Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. 
Gal 4:25  For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. 
Gal 4:26  But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. 
Gal 4:27  For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. 
Gal 4:28  Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. 
Gal 4:29  But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. 
Gal 4:30  Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. (Paul compelled the Galatian believers to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage".)

Gal 4:31  So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free. 

Why would we want to return to the covenant of "bondage" ?

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Why would we want to return to the covenant of "bondage" ?
Who says Christians are going to build a temple on the temple mount?
 
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I don't think Israel would really want a ritual slaughterhouse and animal crematorium built in the middle of Jerusalem. Might have been fine 2000 years ago, certainly not now.

Judaism has evolved. Jewish prayer in synagogues is now about prayer focussed on God, not about slaughtering innocent animals in their thousands, pouring the blood all over the place and burning the remains because God likes the smell of charred flesh.

Best not try to go backwards on this one, imo.
 
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I would hate to wake up everyday and see that Muslim building looming in the distance.

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Because the worst problem Israel faces is the golden dome of the Temple on the Rock?

Really, no.
 
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Who says Christians are going to build a temple on the temple mount?
The Prophetic Word does:
Ezekiel 40,41 & 42 Ezekiel measures the future Temple and its precincts.
Ezekiel 43 to 48 Details of the Temple furnishings and the Land divisions, etc.

Haggai 2:6-9 In a little while, I shall shake the heavens, the earth, the sea and all the nations. I will fill this House with their treasures. This latter House will be greater than former. In this place, I shall grant prosperity and peace. [The Second Temple was not greater than Solomon’s Temple]

Zechariah 1:16-17 These are the words of the Lord; I have returned to Jerusalem with compassion, My House is to be rebuilt there. My cities will again brim with prosperity, once again the Lord will comfort Zion and make Jerusalem the city of His choice.

2 Thess 2:3-4 The Return of Jesus cannot come until the man doomed to destruction is revealed and enthrones himself in God’s Temple, claiming to be God. Revelation 11:1-2
[What could be clearer than that? The Temple must be rebuilt before the Tribulation.]

Daniel 9:27....He will put a stop to the sacrifices and offerings, then will set up an abomination in the Holy place.

Malachi 3:1 I am about to send My messenger to clear a path before Me. Suddenly, the Lord, whom you seek, will come into His Temple. The messenger of the Covenant, whom you desire, will come to you.

Zechariah 6:15 Men from far away will come and work on the rebuilding of God's Temple. This will come about if you listen to and obey your God.

Ezekiel 43:4 The glory of the Lord comes into the temple via the East gate.

The Dome of the Rock and the Al-Asqa Mosque will be gone on the great Day of the Lord's fiery wrath. Isaiah 10:23, Jeremiah 4:26-28, Isaiah 24:10 & 13
 
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How do the Jews view this seemingly impossible list before them? Do they ever think about the third temple built by Jesus, to which all of us are bricks?


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I'm not sure there ever will be a physical temple on the mount. The descriptions given of the third temple by the prophets are not literal measurements. It doesn't even have a roof. It's description is literally unbuildable.

Lets look at Zechariah 6:12
And say to him, ‘Thus says the Lord of hosts, “Behold, the man whose name is the Branch: for he shall branch out from his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord. 13 It is he who shall build the temple of the Lord and shall bear royal honor, and shall sit and rule on his throne. And there shall be a priest on his throne, and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.”’ 14 And the crown shall be in the temple of the Lord as a reminder to Helem, Tobijah, Jedaiah, and Hen the son of Zephaniah.15 “And those who are far off shall come and help to build the temple of the Lord. And you shall know that the Lord of hosts has sent me to you. And this shall come to pass, if you will diligently obey the voice of the Lord your God.”

This is a type of double meaning prophecy. Remember how Jesus went to Egypt just like Israel did, to which Hosea prophecies in Hosea 11:1 "Out of Egypt I have called my son", and to which Matthew 2:15 Prophecies upon Jesus. It's just like this. This is both about the Temple Zerubbabel built and the Temple Christ built.

Regarding the abomination of Desolation in Daniel. I think the only real abomination of desolation we have to look for is in Daniel 9. The abomination of Desolation in chapter 11 may be a Maccabean insertion that only refers to Antiochus. There are very good reasons to think this, and in any case chapter 12, which refers to the end, is best attributed to chapter 10. Grammatically it can't be a part of chapter 11.

In Matthew 24 Jesus answers the disciples question about when the Temple will be destroyed. He answers in dualistic fashion, speaking of the current temple and the end at the same time. Some of His answer is for us and some of His answer is for them. He ends in this cryptic passage. 15 “So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. This word "place" is intentionally vague. If we are looking at it dualistically it can refer to the physical temple as well as the Spiritual Temple that Jesus built. Or we have an edit by the Gospel writers to make it vague. We have 3 occurrences of this phrase. In Matthew 14:15 and Mark 13:14 both Gospel writers use the phrase "Let the reader understand". However in Luke 21:20 it's not vague. "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, and let those who are inside the town depart, and let not those who are out in the country enter it.

So it's quite possible that Matthew and Mark chose the word "Abomination of Desolation standing in the Holy Place" to hide what Jesus said to the Romans, but allow the meaning of what Jesus said to the Christians. That would certainly explain the editorial insertion of "let the reader understand".

I think what we need to be looking for comes from Daniel 9. A person who comes on a wing of abomination who makes desolate. I don't think we need to look for a physical temple with a person in it.

Below I will list all 3 versions.
Matthew 14:15 - So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

Mark 13:14 - But when you see the abomination of desolation standing where he ought not to be (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

Luke 21:20-21 - But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, and let those who are inside the town depart, and let not those who are out in the country enter it
 
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Judaism has evolved. Jewish prayer in synagogues is now about prayer focussed on God, not about slaughtering innocent animals in their thousands, pouring the blood all over the place and burning the remains because God likes the smell of charred flesh.

Modern Orthodox Judaism is based on the "Oral Law", which is the writings of the rabbis recorded after 70 AD.

The Babylonian Talmud is made up of these rabbinic traditions.
It is the source of truth used by modern Orthodox Judaism.


The Talmud states that Christ is the illegitimate son of Mary and a Roman soldier.
This is confirmed by the recent book "Jesus in the Talmud", written by Jewish scholar Dr. Peter Schafer.


However, there are a few who practice Karaite Judaism, which is based on the Written Law, and rejects the Oral Law found in the Babylonian Talmud.

 
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Why Doesn't Israel Rebuild The Holy Temple?
Great post. Another question I want to ask is, why doesn't God help out by destroying the Gold Dome? Could it be He doesn't desire one be built?
The Temple and Sanctuary probably never get started in my lifetime, so I really don't even think about it. My heart and prayers goes out to them pray they will come to Christ

God probably put the Gold Dome there to make sure that we didn't do anything stupid like try and build another temple. He tore the curtain right?

I don't think that it will be built in my lifetime either. Unless they get a tent version put up really fast. I don't think that a temple will be built before Jesus comes back to roll this whole place up like a scroll.

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I don't think Israel would really want a ritual slaughterhouse and animal crematorium built in the middle of Jerusalem. Might have been fine 2000 years ago, certainly not now.

Judaism has evolved. Jewish prayer in synagogues is now about prayer focussed on God, not about slaughtering innocent animals in their thousands, pouring the blood all over the place and burning the remains because God likes the smell of charred flesh.

Best not try to go backwards on this one, imo.

Because the worst problem Israel faces is the golden dome of the Temple on the Rock?

Really, no.

Don't hold back Catherineanne, tell us what you think.

"For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.

Consequently, when Christ came into the world, he said,

“Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired,
but a body have you prepared for me;
in burnt offerings and sin offerings
you have taken no pleasure.
Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come to do your will, O God,
as it is written of me in the scroll of the book.’”

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God probably put the Gold Dome there to make sure that we didn't do anything stupid like try and build another temple. He tore the curtain right?

I don't think that it will be built in my lifetime either. Unless they get a tent version put up really fast. I don't think that a temple will be built before Jesus comes back to roll this whole place up like a scroll.
Hi Dave :wave:. Hmm, that could be true to a point. But think, maybe the Temple Mount was occupied until it is time to rebuild the third temple. Personally, I think an earthquake is going to shake the gold dome down.
 
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there is a neat story about julian the apostate who tried to rebuild the temple just to prove the christians wrong and these mysterious fires kept breaking out at the site which kept the construction workers away
 
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Many Christians have also sent money to the Temple Institute to help rebuild the temple.
See the link below.

Messianic preparations underway as 3rd Temple planned

Thanks for the link. :)

I clicked it but couldn't find the Paypal button to send my donation.

They're always trying to sell us something.

See the link below.

Call for your copy of the Jubilee calendar.

Make your donation now.

Operators are standing by.

The article did have a nice picture of the Gold Dome.

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Hi Dave :wave:. Hmm, that could be true to a point. But think, maybe the Temple Mount was occupied until it is time to rebuild the third temple. Personally, I think an earthquake is going to shake the gold dome down.

Hi HMFJ :wave:.

You could be right. I think that I remember Hal L speculating on an earthquake knocking the Dome down. And i think there will be around three of them coming right along when Revelation's end time story begins.

This thread has a feel for the house divided.

Time to put the Armor on?

Be Thou my battle shield,
Sword for the fight.
 
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God probably put the Gold Dome there to make sure that we didn't do anything stupid like try and build another temple. He tore the curtain right?

I don't think that it will be built in my lifetime either. Unless they get a tent version put up really fast. I don't think that a temple will be built before Jesus comes back to roll this whole place up like a scroll.

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Consider the following:

Israel the third temple and the coming Jewish holocaust


Many books have been written on the planning that is now taking place to rebuild the third temple in Jerusalem. Virtually all the instruments that will be used in the third temple have now been precisely recreated. Red heifers required for purification of the sanctuary and the people are expected to be bred in time for this event. Many believe that the only thing that is stopping the rebuilding of the third temple is the present political situation and the disagreement among Jews whether Elijah needs to come first to oversee the building project.

Part of the peace plan that Israel will accept will include permission to rebuild the third temple on the temple mount. It is not a coincidence of time that preparations for animal sacrifices are now underway for the first time in nearly 2000 years.

Only in modern times could the genetics of Jews be tested to determine without question the true descendants of the priestly tribe (by law only Levites can serve in the temple).

The Jews have now re-established their Sanhedrin. These seventy-one men are the supreme religious authorities in Israel. It was not in existence for 1580 years.

When the time of grace for the Gentiles is fulfilled, the third temple will be rebuilt and God will again deal with the Jews for the final week of years as prophesied in the book of Daniel.

Israel is once again a nation in the land given to them by God

The Jews are returning to Israel and those who think that Islam will prevail against Israel are ignorant of Bible prophecy. The scriptures indicate that a large confederation of nations will come against Israel in the last days and some scriptures even names them by tribal root. Today we see the very real possibility of this alignment of nations among the Arab/Islamic nations of the world. The Bible also foretells that apart from Israel's military power God Himself will supernaturally protect Israel for His own name's sake and He will destroy all the nations who come against Jerusalem to make it their own possession. The scriptures indicate that Jerusalem will become a burdensome stone for all the nations and all that trouble themselves over it will be cut in pieces. The nations of the world will soon learn that it is not wise to harm God's Jewelry.

Most of Christianity is in denial or is even hostile toward Israel
It is totally astounding to me that the majority of those who call themselves Christians see no prophetic significance for Israel becoming a nation in 1948 and many have even become hostile toward the nation of Israel and are now siding with Israel's enemies. What fosters this hostility toward Israel in Christianity is heretical dominion replacement theology and the humanistic view that man is basically good. Therefore, they believe truth is relative and all the world's problems can be solved by compromise and appeasement. The Jews of Israel with religious beliefs and land promises that conflict with those of other beliefs (i.e. Islam) cannot be tolerated by these heretical types of Christians.

Even the land of Israel is a witness
Many scriptures speak of a second return of the Jews to their land prior to the restoration of their kingdom but none speak of a third return before the return of their Messiah. Further, before Israel became a nation again in 1948 the land was desolate. Since that time the rains have increased 50 percent. The land of Israel is now a garden that produces fruit for all of Europe. Even the hills that were barren for over two thousand years are now reforested. God's hand on Israel should be evident to all who believe in God.

This witness is not the fulfillment of the Old Testament prophecy because that fulfillment only occurs after a time of great trouble for Israel. After this time known as "Jacob's trouble" all that survive in Israel will acknowledge that Jesus is their Messiah. Jesus will deliver Israel from all enemies and thus become the Savior of the nation that once rejected Him.

Paul tells us that the Jews were blinded due to unbelief until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled. Now that we see that the Jews are back in their land and that the nations are aligned as foretold by the prophets, it should be obvious to us that the times of the Gentiles are just about complete. Israel's Messiah was cut off from Israel for 2000 years because of Israel's unbelief but the promised kingdom still must come. Israel's Messiah must return in power and glory because man breaks covenants and promises but God never does. Jesus will establish the Jewish Kingdom on earth promised to them by God. At that appointed time God will deal with Israel for spiritual restoration as He purges the land of all unbelievers.
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Fuel for the sacrificial fires

When Israel rebuilds its third temple it will also have to sacrifice animals as offerings to the Lord. The world will find this practice obnoxious. Animal rights people will wage war against what they will see as an abominable practice. Today we see eating meat coming into disfavor among many. Within one or two decades it is likely that sacrificing animals and eating meat might be more than just frowned upon. It might even be outlawed by the world government. Some of the fuel to instigate more intense hatred of the Jews might just come from the sacrificial fires of their third temple.

The Ethiopian Jews return and Israel returns to Hebrew

Zep 3:9 For then will I turn to the peoples of a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of Jehovah, to serve him with one consent.
10 From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia my suppliants, even the daughter of my dispersed, shall bring mine offering.

We may have a partial fulfillment of Zephaniah 3:9 since Hebrew is now the official language of Israel. In the next verse we see another partial fulfillment when Israel air lifted out Ethiopian Jews thought to be descended from the Queen of Sheba and Solomon. Some speculate that the original Ark of the Covenant or an exact copy of it is being protected by these black Jews that converted to Christianity (through the interaction that Philip had with the Ethiopia eunuch of great authority, Acts 8:27). Could the offering spoken of in Zephaniah actually be the Ark of the Covenant or could it be the black Jews?

Prior verses of Zephaniah make it clear that the complete fulfillment of this prophecy about a return to a pure language is after the destruction of the nations. We cannot say that these verses have been fulfilled in the version of Hebrew spoken in Israel today but if we see these partial fulfillments today, then how close are we to the actual fulfillment?

After two days I will revive you

There is a very interesting bible prophecy in Hosea 6:2 about Israel that has not been fulfilled in two literal days. It says "After two days will he revive us: on the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live before him." If a day is a thousand years with the Lord (as indicated in two places in scripture and also inferred in Revelation) then we should expect Israel's revival in two to three thousand years from when the prophecy was written. The prophecy was written well over 2,000 years ago and it is prophetic that we now see the partial revival of Israel with her return to her covenant land. The third day of this prophecy is already upon us and the prophecy to raise Israel spiritually is about to be fulfilled.

A coming Jewish holocaust is planned by Satan

The survival of the Jews as a race is remarkable. Many times in history the Jews have been slaughtered with the last major slaughter being the holocaust in Germany when one third of the world's Jews were murdered. In spite of this the Jews survive as a race and religion and many are now back in their land just as was foretold by their prophets.

There will be a final attempt to exterminate the Jews by satanic forces. At that time scripture indicates that two thirds of all the Jews in the land will be killed and one third will be refined through the fire. Satan understands that the promised Messiah is Jewish and by exterminating the Jews he knows the promised Jewish Kingdom on earth can never take place.

It is my theory that Satan wishes for all Jews to return to the land of Israel so that he can finally destroy all of them there in one place. This is why the world United Nations under the authority of Satan allowed the creation of Israel in the first place. However, God has allowed the return of the Jews to His land for other reasons. He will judge the nations there by how they treat the Jews dwelling in His land and then God will restore the kingdom to Israel with Jesus on the throne of David.

Two thousand years ago Jewish leaders agreed that it was expedient for Israel that one man (Jesus) should die and not that the whole nation perish (Joh 11:50). Today we will soon hear it is expedient for the world that one nation (Israel) be cut off than have the whole world perish through war. The same Messiah the Jews delivered to be cut off for the sake of the nation, will by his death, resurrection and mercy for Israel, save the nation that asked for Him to be cut off.

Signs of the time

Israel is a nation. The Jews have returned first from the East, then from the West, next they came from the North and finally they are coming from the South in the exact order as Isaiah 43:5-6 foretells. The preparations for building the third temple are complete. Israel is surrounded by enemies and anti-Semitism is rising all over the world. A peace plan is being brokered with those who hate the Jews and want no peace. Prophetic scripture is being fulfilled in this generation whether those who identify with Christianity acknowledge it or not.

Source: by Don Koenig


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