How to answer a Seven Day Adventist in regards to the true Sabbath

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This is admittedly "leaves on the tree" - awkward because we cannot possibly trace all this back to where you learned it, why, how, and get to the root of the matter on this forum ..... (as far as I know at this time)....

You probably or obviously have a source, or sources, and support, or supporters, who encourage to think and believe all this , and , again, getting to the basic root of it all is not encouraged anywhere on this site, nor in most places I know of.

If as I think you said, you are searching for the truth , as YHWH reveals and provides , and you keep searching, for the truth, from YHWH,
then you will find it, 'eventually' (it may take years, even decades, or just a few days - I have no idea at this time) ......

Thankyou for your words of encouragement. The reason I made this thread was to defend the cause of the weak, who are bombarded by accusations of Sunday being the mark of the beast and so on and so on.

@Hidden In Him had the correct answer. However we are required to give an answer for the hope that exists within us

Anyway, I used this opportunity as a heads up for the Christians who gather on Sundays. I respect SDA for their much appreciated eschatology and I have to admit that I have learnt much from their scholars and appreciate their Christian input.

My aim is to highlight why days of the week are neccessary, if the Kingdom of God, along with the Temple has been relocated and transplanted in our hearts.

We are welcomed to acknowledge the Comforter as giving us spiritual rest and that our observance within the Christian body is to the Lord of the Sabbath as our Holy Sabbath.

If rest is made an extrinsic aspect of faith, then we are reverting to outward temple centred worship practices, which Jesus said true worshippers will no longer apply.

Anyways thankyou for your much appreciated input.
 
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Like yeshuaslavejeff, I feel that the way to answer is to take the most straightforward route (unlike all that was discussed in the OP).

I'd say that the New Testament indicates that the early church decided upon Sunday, so that's it. There's no reason to analyze that decision. The church did it, and there is a verse in the NT which indicates that it did make this choice as well as another that says that we are not to be judged in the matter of days. So, unless they are prepared to insist that the Bible is NOT to be believed, is not divinely inspired, the matter is settled.
 
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Like yeshuaslavejeff, I feel that the way to answer is to take the most straightforward route (unlike all that was discussed in the OP).

I'd say that the New Testament indicates that the early church decided upon Sunday, so that's it. There's no reason to analyze that decision. The church did it, and there is a verse in the NT which indicates that it did make this choice as well as another that says that we are not to be judged in the matter of days. So, unless they are prepared to insist that the Bible is NOT to be believed, is not divinely inspired, the matter is settled.
If you go only by the Scripture, there was no change of day.

Remember the world group INSISTS (frequently published too) that IT changed the day, without authority of Scripture, with no command from God.
 
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If you are Baptized then Holy Spirit is within you and no questions other than asking Jesus Holy Spirit God for His Holy Truth on anything you ask in His Holy Will

Trust in Jesus and everything is revealed by Him in His Holy Will before during and after prayer from hearts whom are regularly repenting sins to Jesus cleansed by Jesus Holy Spirit God our Heavenly Father

Pray ask knock for Jesus to open the door to your heart soul in trust complete trust after making The Sign of The Cross focussing on Him and His Bitter Passion
 
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I fully believe we should all keep all Sabbath, but can never get answers from those that believe in Saturday worship only the answers to my questions:


  1. Is a Sabbath a Saturday or is Saturday a Sabbath with other days also Sabbaths like: Passover and the day of Atonement and every day in the year of Jubilee?

  2. Are Christians today to be like the regular Jews of the Old Testament or are we to be like the priestly tribe of the Old Testament?

  3. Are Christians today to be that nation of priests (Ex. 19:6, 1 Peter 2:9) and not just a Jewish like nation?

  4. Did the Priests offer up even more sacrifices and were they doing more worshipping activities on the Sabbaths? If so were the Priests keeping the Sabbath Rest?

  5. Is worship to God “work” by God’s definition?

  6. We know van worship is offering up to God obedience to man’s commands, so could righteous worship be offering up to God obedience to God’s commands?

  7. If Christians are Priests, the temple of God, carrying the altar with them (cross), and constantly offering up themselves as a living sacrifice then: when are Christians not worshipping and should they ever stop?

  8. Did Christ expand the Old Testament commands to include our thoughts and lots more actions?

  9. For the Priests what is the Sabbath Rest and so what is the Sabbath Rest to be for Christians?

  10. Some of the Jewish scholars prior to Christ seemed to have discussed (records are not perfect on this) that there was a coming “Age of Jubilee”, do you see that description fitting the Christian Dispensation we are part of?
I think the priests did follow the Sabbath Rest since “worship” is not work and the priests were to worship and not work all the time (the other Jews were to support them). By increasing the commands on Christians and providing a constant partner (the Spirit), Christian’s today can be in constant worship as long as what you are doing is in obedience to God’s commands and that obedience is offered up as worship, so we are in the Sabbath Rest. To suggest today we just to “Sabbath Rest” one day a week is also to suggest the other 6 days are ours?
 
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How to answer a Seven Day Adventist in regards to the true Sabbath
Sabbath keeping and the system of sacrifices are tied together. People who attempt to keep the Passover do so without the sacrifices commanded by God and without the priesthood of Aaron and his sons that God commanded to offer the sacrifices. The same goes for The Day of Atonement and all the other sabbaths as well as the laws about cleanness and foods. The command to keep Saturday (the seventh day according to seventh day observers today) was given to Israel not to the nations.
 
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3 NT texts are collectively decisive for this issue:
(1) "Let no one judge you...on the basis of festivals, new moons, and Sabbaths ( Colossians 2:16)."
Among other things, Paul is refuting Jewish Christians who continue to insist on Sabbath observance instead of Sunday worship.

(2) "One man esteems one day above another. Another man esteems every day the same. Let everyone be fully persuaded in their own mind (Romans 14:5)." Paul does not care if people prefer the Sabbath, Sunday, or every day as the day of worship as long as they are "fully persuaded" by their choice to set aside a day for worship.

(1) "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day (Greek: kyriake"--Revelation 1:10)."
This is the most decisive text of all supporting Sunday worship. In the early church kyriake is used by the Didache (c. 95 AD) and the Gospel of Peter (c. 125 AD). But in the Gospel of Peter it is explicitly identified as Easter Sunday and there is no example in the early church of kyriake being used as a designation for the Jewish Sabbath. Obviously, the early church decided to honor the day of Christ's resurrection by replacing the Sabbath with Sunday as their day of worship.
 
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3 NT texts are collectively decisive for this issue:
(1) "Let no one judge you...on the basis of festivals, new moons, and Sabbaths ( Colossians 2:16)."
Among other things, Paul is refuting Jewish Christians who continue to insist on Sabbath observance instead of Sunday worship.

(2) "One man esteems one day above another. Another man esteems every day the same. Let everyone be fully persuaded in their own mind (Romans 14:5)." Paul does not care if people prefer the Sabbath, Sunday, or every day as the day of worship as long as they are "fully persuaded" by their choice to set aside a day for worship.

(1) "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day (Greek: kyriake"--Revelation 1:10)."
This is the most decisive text of all supporting Sunday worship. In the early church kyriake is used by the Didache (c. 95 AD) and the Gospel of Peter (c. 125 AD). But in the Gospel of Peter it is explicitly identified as Easter Sunday and there is no example in the early church of kyriake being used as a designation for the Jewish Sabbath. Obviously, the early church decided to honor the day of Christ's resurrection by replacing the Sabbath with Sunday as their day of worship.
The first two are good, but "Lord's Day" might be a poor translation from the Greek since "Day" can and is in other places translated "Court", and we know from what John describes He is in the Court of the Lord. "Day" can also be translated judgment, but the main thing is it does not have to mean 24 hours and a 24 hours (Day) is not forced by the context.
Which "days" in time are not God's?
 
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The first two are good, but "Lord's Day" might be a poor translation from the Greek since "Day" can and is in other places translated "Court", and we know from what John describes He is in the Court of the Lord. "Day" can also be translated judgment, but the main thing is it does not have to mean 24 hours and a 24 hours (Day) is not forced by the context.
Which "days" in time are not God's?

Your comments reveals ignorance of the Greek kyriake, which does not even incorporate the word "day" and never means "court" or "judgment." Though kyriake literally means "the Lord's thing," scholars agree that it has become a technical term for "the Lord's day" in Revelation 1:10, the Didache, and the Gospel of Peter. On this question there is no scholarly disagreement.
 
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Sabbath ordinances were tied to temple worship. The Sabbath was designated on a day of the week. The Lord of the Sabbath came on Pentecost. Jesus said, no longer will true worshippers worship God outwardly, within the context of temple worship, rather they will worship God inwardly, within the Spiritual Temple of the body, where the Holy Ghost resides.

So the true temple and true worship was to become separated from the external temple, as in the tearing of the veil in the temple in Jerusalem, whereby the true Sabbath was initiated by God from Pentecost and onwards. Pentecost and onward is within the inward temple, where the Holy Ghost dwells. Therefore the application of true worship and the definition of true worship, had to change from an external one, within a physical day of the week context, to that of a continuous day of rest, which is not related to a physical temple, not related to external worship and not related to a physical day of the week.

The word "DAILY" used in Daniel, meaning continuous day of rest, within the context of worshipping the God of the Sabbath inwardly in the spirit, will be removed and replaced by a physical day of the week, within the context of an outward temple worship. Those who worship a particular day of the week as the Sabbath, are unwittingly replacing the "DAILY", the DAILY being the continuous rest day, that was initiated by the Holy Ghost from Pentecost and onwards.

The "DAILY " is the Lord of the Sabbath, for he is the Sabbath day continuous in us. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. (PENTECOST = Comforter) There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. (Hebrew 4)

So believers are labouring to enter in his rest, which points directly to worshipping the Lord of the Sabbath in the spirit, that is why it says.....if you hear his voice, harden not your hearts, which points to Pentecost Holy Ghost indwelling, that is the pouring of the Spirit, which is the DAILY mentioned in Daniel, where it continuously places the believer in God's resting Sabbath, which is spiritual in context, and not a literal physical day of the week.

If in the future, after an Antichrist figure emerges to mandate a physical day, an external rather than inward worship, then this becomes the idol and abomination. The Hebrews author states that the Old Testament saints who worshipped God through temple centred worship and physical sabbaths, had not entered God's rest, where God's rest is the the continuous DAILY.

Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness: When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years. Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways. So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.

Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one - another daily, while it is called Today (Pentecost and onwards); lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; While it is said, Today (Pentecost and onwards), if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation. For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses. But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness? And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

The Hebrews author uses the same word that Daniel uses another DAILY, to link directly to God's rest, which we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end, within the context of Pentecost, that is the Holy Ghost in dwelling. So if a person is indwelled by the Holy Ghost, they have entered continuous rest and this is the DAILY.
In Mark 6, Jesus welcomed his disciples back from their mission journey to preach to various settlements in Israel. Many people were on the road looking for Jesus. Jesus had a plan to go to a deserted place by boat to get some rest. The people ran ahead as they could see what direction the boat was going. Jesus went to meet a crowd that was forming. While he desired rest, he had work to do. He taught them and then fed the 5,000 men with five loaves of bread and two fish.

Even before Pentecost, people worked when the were able and rested when they could. If a worker gets no rest, he will become exhausted and worthless.
 
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Sabbath ordinances were tied to temple worship. The Sabbath was designated on a day of the week. The Lord of the Sabbath came on Pentecost. Jesus said, no longer will true worshippers worship God outwardly, within the context of temple worship, rather they will worship God inwardly, within the Spiritual Temple of the body, where the Holy Ghost resides.

So the true temple and true worship was to become separated from the external temple, as in the tearing of the veil in the temple in Jerusalem, whereby the true Sabbath was initiated by God from Pentecost and onwards. Pentecost and onward is within the inward temple, where the Holy Ghost dwells. Therefore the application of true worship and the definition of true worship, had to change from an external one, within a physical day of the week context, to that of a continuous day of rest, which is not related to a physical temple, not related to external worship and not related to a physical day of the week.

The word "DAILY" used in Daniel, meaning continuous day of rest, within the context of worshipping the God of the Sabbath inwardly in the spirit, will be removed and replaced by a physical day of the week, within the context of an outward temple worship. Those who worship a particular day of the week as the Sabbath, are unwittingly replacing the "DAILY", the DAILY being the continuous rest day, that was initiated by the Holy Ghost from Pentecost and onwards.

The "DAILY " is the Lord of the Sabbath, for he is the Sabbath day continuous in us. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. (PENTECOST = Comforter) There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. (Hebrew 4)

So believers are labouring to enter in his rest, which points directly to worshipping the Lord of the Sabbath in the spirit, that is why it says.....if you hear his voice, harden not your hearts, which points to Pentecost Holy Ghost indwelling, that is the pouring of the Spirit, which is the DAILY mentioned in Daniel, where it continuously places the believer in God's resting Sabbath, which is spiritual in context, and not a literal physical day of the week.

If in the future, after an Antichrist figure emerges to mandate a physical day, an external rather than inward worship, then this becomes the idol and abomination. The Hebrews author states that the Old Testament saints who worshipped God through temple centred worship and physical sabbaths, had not entered God's rest, where God's rest is the the continuous DAILY.

Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness: When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years. Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways. So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.

Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one - another daily, while it is called Today (Pentecost and onwards); lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; While it is said, Today (Pentecost and onwards), if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation. For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses. But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness? And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

The Hebrews author uses the same word that Daniel uses another DAILY, to link directly to God's rest, which we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end, within the context of Pentecost, that is the Holy Ghost in dwelling. So if a person is indwelled by the Holy Ghost, they have entered continuous rest and this is the DAILY.

The spirit of truth within a believer provides the sufficient and perfect/true Sabbath or spiritual rest and fellowship with Jesus, at any time, day or night. Essentially it means, and not necessarily recommended, a Christian can grow without attending a weekly ritual of hearing a preacher down the street or interact with another Christian in an informal private setting. We don't need an external or outward spiritual source to grow as we are not under the law, with prophets and the physcial temple. We are now under God's graces as he has bestowed upon us his spirit of truth. With a perfect heart which cannot be found in this fallen state, we are always at spiritual 'rest.' This will become a reality after wearing our new eternal bodies at our resurrection.

So as a Christian I have my true Sabbath in Jesus via the spirit of truth today, and it will continue in the next life with complete awareness or functionality.
 
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In Mark 6, Jesus welcomed his disciples back from their mission journey to preach to various settlements in Israel. Many people were on the road looking for Jesus. Jesus had a plan to go to a deserted place by boat to get some rest. The people ran ahead as they could see what direction the boat was going. Jesus went to meet a crowd that was forming. While he desired rest, he had work to do. He taught them and then fed the 5,000 men with five loaves of bread and two fish.

Even before Pentecost, people worked when the were able and rested when they could. If a worker gets no rest, he will become exhausted and worthless.

I understand my friend.

My thread is trying to address the DAILY mentioned in Daniel and how it is directly linked to a continuous rest and the sacrifice to give rest. It follows in three, that is sacrifice, rest and thanksgiving.

Here are the versus....

He magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down. (Daniel 8:11)

From the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that makes desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. (Daniel 12:11)

Catholic Bible: "He shall speak against the Most High and oppress the Holy ones of the Most High thinking to change the feast days and the law."

So the DAILY is associated with the feast day to end all feast days, within a Jewish context, it is as

Described in Leviticus 23, The Feast of Week, which is the second of the three “solemn feasts” that all Jewish males were required to travel to Jerusalem to attend (Exodus 23:14–17; 34:22–23; Deuteronomy 16:16). This important feast gets its name from the fact that it starts seven full weeks, or exactly 50 days, after the Feast of Firstfruits. Since it takes place exactly 50 days after the previous feast, this feast is also known as “Pentecost” (Acts 2:1), which means “fifty.”

Each of three “solemn feasts”—Passover, the Feast of Weeks, and the Feast of Tabernacles—required that all able-bodied Jewish males travel to Jerusalem to attend the feast and offer sacrifices. All three of these feasts required that “firstfruit” offerings be made at the temple as a way of expressing thanksgiving for God’s provision. The Feast of Firstfruits celebrated at the time of the Passover included the first fruits of the barley harvest. The Feast of Weeks was in celebration of the first fruits of the wheat harvest, and the Feast of Tabernacles involved offerings of the first fruits of the olive and grape harvests.

So Pentecost comes after the “firstfruit” offerings be made at the temple as a way of expressing thanksgiving for God’s provision.

The lamb of God became the firstfruits of the harvest and what followed is Pentecost thanksgiving demostrated by the meeting in the upper room, to then wait for the power from on high to receive the former Holy Ghost rain.

The daily is Pentecost and onwards and this is what the author in Hebrew refers to...

But encourage one - another daily, as long as it is called “Today,”

Another DAILY is associated with another CONFORTER, on Pentecost and onwards, which is considered TODAY and CONTINUING uninterrupted.

So, when Daniel states,

"Therefore seal up the vision, for it refers to many days in the future" (Dan. 8:26).

Many days in the future, points to a feast day established to end all feast days and this is the today and another daily, which is continuous. This points to Pentecost and onwards. Yet some time in the future, the daily will be removed and replaced with another feast day, which implies, the author is not God and if not God, then the day cannot be God's rest day.

Our Pentecost feast and thanksgiving day, is the Sabbath rest continuous. Yet when the rest day is reverted to another external firstfruits sacrifice and another external temple and another external rest day, then what is being established in place of Christ as our firstfruits, in place of the Temple builder who is the Holy Ghost and in place of our daily continuous rest, is the old testament church, with the ripped vail being sowed up again and the resumption of temple sacrifices and literal days in the plural sense.

Why would resumption of temple sacrifices be an abomination?

Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it isiniquity, even the solemn meeting. (Isaiah 1:13)

God ripped the vail from top down and this signalled the end of further sacrifices and oblations, as Jesus became the firstfruits of the harvest. So the harvest commenced from Jesus the Lamb of God and it was celebrated by thanksgiving on Pentecost, where those who did so, received the former rain.

Peter refers to Joel, where Joel states.....

this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:

17“ ‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,

26Therefore my heart is glad and my tongue rejoices; my body also will rest in hope,

Again, it is the Pentecost thanksgiving which is associated with the DAILY AND THE FIRSTFRUITS.

47praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number - DAILY those who were being saved.

DAILY is associated with the rest day of God and it is a never ending feast celebrated daily, which points to a spiritual application, associated with the firstfruits of the harvest Jesus Christ.

An abomination would try to replace the firstfruits with another and the spiritual daily with another, by changing the feast day Pentecost and the laws associated with it.

This points at a Judaiser movement and reverting to old covenant practices, which would be considered by God an abomination.

So the rest day of God post Pentecost cannot be a specific literal day.
 
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With a perfect heart which cannot be found in this fallen state, we are always at spiritual 'rest.' This will become a reality after wearing our new eternal bodies at our resurrection.

So as a Christian I have my true Sabbath in Jesus via the spirit of truth today, and it will continue in the next life with complete awareness or functionality.

Friend, I couldn't have explained it any better.

Sometimes people need guiding lamp posts to make the connections, because being given the truth is not always accepted on face value, but needs to be critically evaluated through the individual's discourse. We will make many lamp posts, so let them make their own connections.
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Friend, I couldn't have explained it any better.

Sometimes people need guiding lamp posts to make the connections, because being given the truth is not always accepted on face value, but needs to be critically evaluated through the individual's discourse. We will make many lamp posts, so let them make their own connections.
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More and more I find myself in the word and among Christians that love the Lord. My writing on this topic became easy this time. I listened to the spirit within me. I am very thankful and give thanks to God for guiding me.

Bless you for giving your confidence to my heart
In Christ always
 
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More and more I find myself in the word and among Christians that love the Lord. My writing on this topic became easy this time. I listened to the spirit within me. I am very thankful and give thanks to God for guiding me.

Bless you for giving your confidence to my heart
In Christ always

In our tribulation and weaknesses, His Holy Name is strong and His power will prevail throughout our lives and His Word will prosper in our hearts and by our actions.

In Christ always. Amen
 
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Sabbath ordinances were tied to temple worship. The Sabbath was designated on a day of the week. The Lord of the Sabbath came on Pentecost. Jesus said, no longer will true worshippers worship God outwardly, within the context of temple worship, rather they will worship God inwardly, within the Spiritual Temple of the body, where the Holy Ghost resides.

So the true temple and true worship was to become separated from the external temple, as in the tearing of the veil in the temple in Jerusalem, whereby the true Sabbath was initiated by God from Pentecost and onwards. Pentecost and onward is within the inward temple, where the Holy Ghost dwells. Therefore the application of true worship and the definition of true worship, had to change from an external one, within a physical day of the week context, to that of a continuous day of rest, which is not related to a physical temple, not related to external worship and not related to a physical day of the week.

The word "DAILY" used in Daniel, meaning continuous day of rest, within the context of worshipping the God of the Sabbath inwardly in the spirit, will be removed and replaced by a physical day of the week, within the context of an outward temple worship. Those who worship a particular day of the week as the Sabbath, are unwittingly replacing the "DAILY", the DAILY being the continuous rest day, that was initiated by the Holy Ghost from Pentecost and onwards.

The "DAILY " is the Lord of the Sabbath, for he is the Sabbath day continuous in us. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. (PENTECOST = Comforter) There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. (Hebrew 4)

So believers are labouring to enter in his rest, which points directly to worshipping the Lord of the Sabbath in the spirit, that is why it says.....if you hear his voice, harden not your hearts, which points to Pentecost Holy Ghost indwelling, that is the pouring of the Spirit, which is the DAILY mentioned in Daniel, where it continuously places the believer in God's resting Sabbath, which is spiritual in context, and not a literal physical day of the week.

If in the future, after an Antichrist figure emerges to mandate a physical day, an external rather than inward worship, then this becomes the idol and abomination. The Hebrews author states that the Old Testament saints who worshipped God through temple centred worship and physical sabbaths, had not entered God's rest, where God's rest is the the continuous DAILY.

Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness: When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years. Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways. So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.

Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one - another daily, while it is called Today (Pentecost and onwards); lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; While it is said, Today (Pentecost and onwards), if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation. For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses. But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness? And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

The Hebrews author uses the same word that Daniel uses another DAILY, to link directly to God's rest, which we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end, within the context of Pentecost, that is the Holy Ghost in dwelling. So if a person is indwelled by the Holy Ghost, they have entered continuous rest and this is the DAILY.

the biblical sabbath is the time in which the true God is in a state of incomplete wakefulness, because He has against His will gone into a millenniums-long state of incomplete wakefulness since the seventh day (because He has been in a great struggle with the "darkness"), the spiritual servants have to work for overall sanctification through prayer and fasting while God is in that state, which is why the forth of the Ten Commandments says: remember the sabbath to keep it holy... because your God made all the universal creation in six days and has gone into a centuries-long state of incomplete wakefulness since the seventh day... - they must not defile the faith (Isaiah 58:13)...

Blessings
 
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I read a disturbing article which states Seventh-day Adventists teach that near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday. :doh:

Bible Truth Versus Adventist Truth - Mark of the Beast

Why are SDA'a so obsessed with the Sabbath? :scratch:
 
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