Who/what are the 144,000 Israelites ?

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Another interesting Judgment Day passage

Ezekiel 16:53
I will restore their fortunes, the fortunes of Sodom and her daughters and the fortunes of Samaria and her daughters, and I will restore your own fortunes along with theirs, 54 in order that you may bear your disgrace and be ashamed of all that you have done, becoming a consolation to them. 55 As for your sisters, Sodom and her daughters shall return to their former state, Samaria and her daughters shall return to their former state, and you and your daughters shall return to your former state.


The prophecy Ezekiel is referring to in your post, pertains to Israel's return from Babylon and Persia, where they were in exile for 70 years, to their homeland. It has nothing at all to do with Ez.40-48.


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Revelation 7:3-4 describe the 144,000 as “sealed.” That description is reserved in the NT for believers in Christ – His Body and Bride – the Church:

2 Corinthians 1:21-22

Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and anointed us is God, who also sealed us and gave us the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge.

Ephesians 1:13

In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30

Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.


The Revelation 7 passage is therefore conveying the insight that the OT Israelitish faithful saints of God are included under the NT banner of the Church. This is further confirmed by the meanings of the names of the listed tribes and substitutes, describing spiritual qualities and experiences of those who comprise the Church:

Judah means “praise” (Gen 29:35)

Reuben means “see, a Son” (Gen 29:32)

Gad means “fortunate” (Gen 30:11)

Asher means “happy” (Gen 30:13)

Naphtali means “wrestling” (Gen 30:8)

Manasseh means “forgetting” (Gen 41:51)

Simeon means “heard” (Gen 29:33)

Levi means “attached” (Gen 29:34)

Issachar means “wages” (Gen 30:18)

Zebulon means “dwelling” (Gen 30:20)

Joseph means “He will add” (Gen 30:24)

Benjamin means “Son of the right hand” (Gen 35:17–18)


Also of significance is the order in which the names are presented, differing from the usual presentation by order of birth. In particular, Judah appears first, in recognition of its role as the tribal progenitor of Christ, the Lion of Judah.


Is 144,000 literal or symbolic? While rebellion and apostasy were repetitive afflictions of the OT Israelites, there were still thousands who remained faithful, e.g. 1 Kings 19:18. Their number is thus depicted as 12, symbolizing the faithful saints within the 12 tribes; times 12, a scriptural symbol of completeness; times 1000, which when used symbolically denotes a large quantity (Psalms 50:10; 91:7; 2 Peter 3:8).


Revelation 14 continues the descriptions of the 144,000, further reflecting the qualities and experiences of the redeemed – the Church. Absent here is any mention of tribal, ethnic, or other distinctions, thus conveying the reality of the inclusivity and oneness of the NT Church which now embraces both Israelite and Gentile, consistent with other scripture:


Galatians 3:28

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.


Ephesians 2:14

For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall…


Additional numerical symbolism relating to the Church can be found in the 12 apostles representing saints of the NT era.


No doubt about it…the Church is written all over the 144,000

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The prophecy Ezekiel is referring to in your post, pertains to Israel's return from Babylon and Persia, where they were in exile for 70 years, to their homeland. It has nothing at all to do with Ez.40-48.


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Hi Quasar92

I agree that the Ezekiel 16:53 prophecy has nothing to do with Ez.40-48

In the days of Abraham and Lot, the Lord in his fierce anger destroyed Sodom, leaving no survivors (Luke 17:29)

In the Ezekiel 16:53 prophecy the Lord will restore the fortunes of Sodom to there former state for judgment (Matthew 11:24)

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According to the Bible, Jesus, Paul and John revealed, those of us who belong to His Church, will be CAUGHT UP [Raptured] to Him in the clouds of the sky, before the antichrist is revealed, as recorded in 2 Thes.2:3 and 7-8. Who triggers the seven year tribulation/70th Week of Daniel, God decreed Israel to go through in Dan.9:27.

[In connection with the Church = Jn.14:1-4 and 28; 1 Thes.4:14-18 and 2 Thes.2:1-8]. In connection with Israel = Jer.30:7 and Dan.9:27, where the person who 'confirms a covenant/treaty/agreement with Israel is the antichrist, and all three of the "he's" in that vs, triggers the 70th and final 'Week,'/seven year tribulation/Day of the Lord. Seen also in 2 Thes.2:3-4 and 7- 8].

Jesus said He has two sheep folds, Israel whom He was addressing, and the "other one He must also bring," the Church, according to Jn.10:16. He prophecied that they will become one fold with one Shepherd. He also said many who are first will be last [Israel] and many who are last will be first [The Church] in Mt.19:30. This will be fullfilled after the first resurrection af all the tribulation saints, in Rev.20:4-6, and then rule with Christ for 1,000 years, in Rev.4 and 6.

He meant His Church will be CAUGHT UP to be with Him before the tribulation, according to 1 Thes.4:16-17 and 2 Thes.2:1-8] and that Israel will go through the tribulation [Dan.9:27]. When Israel finally recognizes Jesus as their Messiah, according to Zech.12:10 , they will then come into the same sheep fold with the Church and the two will become one fold, with Jesus being the one Shepherd, when He establishes His Millennial kingdom here on earth according to Rev.20:6.

When the Church is Caught Up to be with the Lord in heaven, the antichrist is revealed and the tribulation begins, according to 2 Thes.2:3-4, 7-8; Dan.9:27 and Rev.6:2].

The overview of the tribulation, begins with the first of the four riders, on the white horse, who is the antichrist, in the first of seven seals; after the six seals, before the seventh seal that contains the seven trumpet judgements begins in Rev.; God will send 144,000 consisting of 12,000 Israelites from each of twelve of their tribes, that He "redeems from the earth" according to Rev.14:3. Sealing them, and they become converted believers in Jesus Christ who will take the place of the Raptured Church, to preach the Eternal Gospel in their absence, to all those left on the earth, according to Rev.7:1-8. Whom God will send here from heaven [as He will His two witnesses of Rev.11].

They were the righteous ones in OT Sheol when Jesus preached the gospel to them, according to 1 Pet.3:18-20. Then when He ascended into heaven, in Acts 1:9, He took all the righteous ones who came from OT Sheol with Him, as seen in Eph.4:7-10, fulfilling the prophecy in Ps.68:18. [During OT times, the spirits of the righteous dead went to Sheol, as did the wicked, because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sin, according to Heb.10:3-4, Lk.16:19-23 and in Ps.49:14-15, until Jesus shed His blood and died on the cross, amplified by Paul in Rom.3:25-26.

The efforts of their work as evangelists is then revealed in the parenthetic [preview] view of the Great Multitude seen in heaven, recorded in Rev.7:9-17, who represents all of those who will be saved during the tribulation, and who are also the martyrs who participate in the first resurrection of Rev.20:4-6. They are the tribulation saints and are the ones who will be left behind, when the Church is raptured, and do not belong to the Church, until after the 144,000 bring them to the Lord. The 144,000 do not belong to the Church or they would be raptured with the Church before the tribulation begins.

When their work is finished, the 144,000 will be translated, and return to heaven, in Rev.14:1-5. When that happens, the earth will once again be without anyone to preach the Eternal Gospel. So God will commission an angel to do so in Rev.14:6-7.

Therefore, the 144,000 are all converted Israelites who take the place of the Raptured Church to preach the Gospel to all those who will be left behind when Jesus comes to take His Church with Him to our Father in heaven, as previously address above, documented in Jn.14:2-4 and 28; 1Thes.4:13-17 and 2 Thes.2:1-8.


Blessings,


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Hi Quasar92

I agree almost completely with the ten paragraphs of your very informative OP.
I only question where you equate the 144,000 of Revelation 7 with those of Revelation 14


Revelation is not in chronological order, Revelation 14 precedes Revelation 7


The chronological sequence was stated at the first council at Jerusalem
First the church saved, then Israel saved, then the World saved


Acts 15:14-17
Simeon has related how God first looked favorably on the Gentiles,
to take from among them a people for his name
(church)

15 This agrees with the words of the prophets, as it is written,
16 ‘After this I will return, and I will rebuild the dwelling of David,
which has fallen; from its ruins I will rebuild it, and I will set it up,

17 so that all other peoples may seek the Lord—




The 144,000 of Revelation 14:1-4 are Gentiles
These are the church/body of Christ, first fruits from a multitude of nations
These Gentiles are from the seed of Ephraim (Genesis 48:19)

The 144,000 of Revelation 7:4-8 are Israelites
These Israelites are 12 tribes from the seed of Jacob


So Revelation 14:1-5 (Gentiles with name of God written on their foreheads)
precedes Revelation 7:1-17 (Israelites & the Great Multitude Saved)



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Hi Quasar92

I agree that the Ezekiel 16:53 prophecy has nothing to do with Ez.40-48

In the days of Abraham and Lot, the Lord in his fierce anger destroyed Sodom, leaving no survivors (Luke 17:29)

In the Ezekiel 16:53 prophecy the Lord will restore the fortunes of Sodom to there former state for judgment (Matthew 11:24)

Bob..


Yes. IMO, t the Great White Throne Judgment of Rev.20:11-16.


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Hi Quasar92

I agree almost completely with the ten paragraphs of your very informative OP.
I only question where you equate the 144,000 of Revelation 7 with those of Revelation 14


Revelation is not in chronological order, Revelation 14 precedes Revelation 7


The chronological sequence was stated at the first council at Jerusalem
First the church saved, then Israel saved, then the World saved


Acts 15:14-17
Simeon has related how God first looked favorably on the Gentiles,
to take from among them a people for his name
(church)

15 This agrees with the words of the prophets, as it is written,
16 ‘After this I will return, and I will rebuild the dwelling of David,
which has fallen; from its ruins I will rebuild it, and I will set it up,

17 so that all other peoples may seek the Lord—




The 144,000 of Revelation 14:1-4 are Gentiles
These are the church/body of Christ, first fruits from a multitude of nations
These Gentiles are from the seed of Ephraim (Genesis 48:19)

The 144,000 of Revelation 7:4-8 are Israelites
These Israelites are 12 tribes from the seed of Jacob


So Revelation 14:1-5 (Gentiles with name of God written on their foreheads)
precedes Revelation 7:1-17 (Israelites & the Great Multitude Saved)



Bob..


Greetings, and thanks for your input.

First of all, there are no gentiles in Rev.7:1-8. There is, in 9-17. 9-17 is a parenthetic passage that falls under the first resurrection of the tribulation martyrs/saints, in Rev.20:4. Rev.14:1-5 pertains to the 144,000 Israelites, who have completed their mission on earth, which is the Great Multitude of Rev.7:9-17, and are translated back to heaven.


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