Jesus Has Been Reigning Since Pentecost

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So, He's reigning now but according to Heb 10:13, He has not yet been given dominion over His enemies? Doesn't sound like a very stable or desirable monarchy.
Ephesians 1

19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:

22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

Jude 1:25

To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
 
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Ephesians 1

19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:

22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

Jude 1:25

To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Now that is funny right there. You covenant people live and die by an errant intrepretation of Hebrews to combat what you consider the lie of dispensationalism, but abandon it quickly when it isn't agreeing with other errant doctrine. Solid gold.

Of course Jesus is victorious, He just hasn't been seated on His own throne yet. But that changes soon.
 
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Now that is funny right there. You covenant people live and die by an errant intrepretation of Hebrews to combat what you consider the lie of dispensationalism, but abandon it quickly when it isn't agreeing with other errant doctrine. Solid gold.

Of course Jesus is victorious, He just hasn't been seated on His own throne yet. But that changes soon.

Hi friend, while I find your statement interesting, I'm not really following you with its logic.

We know Christ is the King now

Zechariah 9:9
"See, your king comes to you, righteous and victorious, lowly and riding on a donkey,
on a colt, the foal of a donkey." This was fulfilled: John 12:14-15
Jesus found a young donkey and sat on it, as it is written: “Do not be afraid, Daughter Zion;
see, your king is coming, seated on a donkey’s colt.”

Hebrews 7:17
For it is witnessed of him, “Thou art a priest for ever, after the order of Melchiz′edek.” (If you remember from genesis, Melchizedek was both high priest AND king). This fulfills Zechariah 6:12-13 and Jeremiah 33:17-18

We know that Christ received all authority when he ascended to heaven.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Ephesians 1:20-21 he exerted when he raised Christ from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is invoked, not only in the present age but also in the one to come.

1 Peter 3:22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him.

This sure sounds like a king

We know Christ is sitting on the throne
Revelation 3:21 To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne.
Hebrews 1:8
But about the Son he (The Father) says,“Your throne, O God (Jesus), will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.


the Bible says Christ ascended to heaven, to sit at the right hand of God UNTIL his enemies are made a foot stool (Acts 2:34-35, Hebrews 1:13, Hebrews 10:13). In heaven he must reign UNTIL ALL enemies are made a foot stool, with the last enemy of death to be defeated. (1 corinthians 15:25-26) At the last trumpet, when the resurrection of the believers occurs, then death will be defeated 1 Corinthians 15: 54.

So I have to ask you, is Christ in heaven or on earth UNTIL his enemies are made a foot stool?
 
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Now that is funny right there. You covenant people live and die by an errant intrepretation of Hebrews to combat what you consider the lie of dispensationalism, but abandon it quickly when it isn't agreeing with other errant doctrine. Solid gold.

Do you disagree with something in the posted scriptures?
 
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King Jesus sits on the Throne of David now
Introduction:

1. No Old Testament prophecy is so easily seen to be fulfilled at Pentecost as the fact that Jesus is sitting upon the throne of David now.

2. "He shall build a house for My name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. "I will be a father to him and he will be a son to Me; when he commits iniquity, I will correct him with the rod of men and the strokes of the sons of men, but My lovingkindness shall not depart from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you. "Your house and your kingdom shall endure before Me forever; your throne shall be established forever." (2 Samuel 7:13-16)

3. "There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace, On the throne of David and over his kingdom, To establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness From then on and forevermore. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will accomplish this. " (Isaiah 9:7)

4. "A throne will even be established in lovingkindness, And a judge will sit on it in faithfulness in the tent of David; Moreover, he will seek justice And be prompt in righteousness. " (Isaiah 16:5)

5. "Then say to him, 'Thus says the LORD of hosts, "Behold, a man whose name is Branch, for He will branch out from where He is; and He will build the temple of the LORD. "Yes, it is He who will build the temple of the LORD, and He who will bear the honor and sit and rule on His throne. Thus, He will be a priest on His throne, and the counsel of peace will be between the two offices." (Zechariah 6:12-13)

6. "I have made a covenant with My chosen; I have sworn to David My servant, I will establish your seed forever And build up your throne to all generations." (Psalm 89:3-4)

7. ""Brethren, I may confidently say to you regarding the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. "And so, because he was a prophet and knew that GOD HAD SWORN TO HIM WITH AN OATH TO SEAT one OF HIS DESCENDANTS ON HIS THRONE, he looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that HE WAS NEITHER ABANDONED TO HADES, NOR DID His flesh SUFFER DECAY. "This Jesus God raised up again, to which we are all witnesses. "Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured forth this which you both see and hear. "For it was not David who ascended into heaven, but he himself says: 'THE LORD SAID TO MY LORD, "SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND, UNTIL I MAKE YOUR ENEMIES A FOOTSTOOL FOR YOUR FEET." ' "Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ—this Jesus whom you crucified." (Acts 2:29-36)

A. Jesus cannot sit on David's throne on earth: Jer 22:29-30 + Mt 1:12
1. Earthly throne extinct:

a. "Is this man Coniah a despised, shattered jar? Or is he an undesirable vessel? Why have he and his descendants been hurled out And cast into a land that they had not known? "O land, land, land, Hear the word of the LORD! "Thus says the LORD, 'Write this man down childless, A man who will not prosper in his days; For no man of his descendants will prosper Sitting on the throne of David Or ruling again in Judah.' " (Jeremiah 22:28-30)

b. "After the deportation to Babylon: Jeconiah became the father of Shealtiel, and Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel. " (Matthew 1:12)

2. Notice that Jeremiah prophesied that no descendant of Jeconiah (aka Coniah) can ever sit on the throne of David in Judah.

3. Jesus Christ is a literal descendant of Coniah, proving the throne of David is forever in heaven.

B. Jesus must sit on David's throne now until the second coming:
1. Notice Jesus must reign until his enemies are defeated. The last enemy is death, which will be abolished at the resurrection:

a. "For it was not David who ascended into heaven, but he himself says: 'THE LORD SAID TO MY LORD, "SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND, UNTIL I MAKE YOUR ENEMIES A FOOTSTOOL FOR YOUR FEET." ' "Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ—this Jesus whom you crucified." " (Acts 2:34-36)

b. "For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. The last enemy that will be abolished is death. " (1 Corinthians 15:25-26)

c. "And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high ... But of the Son He says, "YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM" ... But to which of the angels has He ever said, "SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND, UNTIL I MAKE YOUR ENEMIES A FOOTSTOOL FOR YOUR FEET." (Hebrews 1:3,8,13)

d. "Every priest stands daily ministering and offering time after time the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins; but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD, waiting from that time onward UNTIL HIS ENEMIES BE MADE A FOOTSTOOL FOR HIS FEET. " (Hebrews 10:11-13)

e. "'He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne." (Revelation 3:21)

2. Christ is reigning NOW and will give up the throne to the Father at the second coming.

3. It becomes clear that Jesus is seated on the throne of David right now until the resurrection at the second coming.

C. Jesus vacates the throne of David at the second coming:
1. "For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming, then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power. For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. The last enemy that will be abolished is death. For HE HAS PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET. But when He says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him. When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all. " (1 Corinthians 15:22-28)

2. Did you notice that? At the second coming, Jesus hands over the kingdom to God which he has ruled since the resurrection.

3. This is exactly opposite to what pre-tribulation rapture teachers and premillennialists say. They have Christ sitting on the throne of David for the first time at the second coming, but the Bible says he has already been on the throne of David and gives it up to God, so God can be all in all.

D. Jesus, the branch of David, is a priest on the throne at the same time: Zech 6:12-13
1. Christ will be a priest and king at the same time:

a. "Then say to him, 'Thus says the LORD of hosts, "Behold, a man whose name is Branch, for He will branch out from where He is; and He will build the temple of the LORD. "Yes, it is He who will build the temple of the LORD, and He who will bear the honor and sit and rule on His throne. Thus, He will be a priest on His throne, and the counsel of peace will be between the two offices." (Zechariah 6:12-13)

2. Christ has built his temple, the church, which is the kingdom: "Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are. " (1 Corinthians 3:16-17)

3. Jesus is on the throne of David now:

a. "And so, because he was a prophet and knew that GOD HAD SWORN TO HIM WITH AN OATH TO SEAT one OF HIS DESCENDANTS ON HIS THRONE, he looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ" (Acts 2:30-31)

b. "But of the Son He says, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, And the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom. " (Hebrews 1:8)

4. If Christ were on earth, he could not be a priest of any kind. Only in heaven can he be a priest, and then only after the order of Melchizedek.

a. "Now if He were on earth, He would not be a priest at all, since there are those who offer the gifts according to the Law; " (Hebrews 8:4)

b. "just as He says also in another passage, "YOU ARE A PRIEST FOREVER ACCORDING TO THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK." " (Hebrews 5:6)

5. So it is clear, that Jesus is a king now and a priest now, and all this in heaven.

6. Jesus cannot be a king or priest on earth because he is a descendant of Jeconiah, and he is not a Levite.

E. The earthly throne of David was apostasy that angered God from the time of Saul!

1. Premillennialists have never considered that the entire concept of an earthly throne is an apostasy that angered God from the time of the first king Saul to the last king before the Babylonian captivity.

2. Originally God was Israel's king and he reigned on his throne in heaven. But Israel asked for a king on earth, which was an apostasy and angered God so much he wiped out their crops. It is clear that God realized that he was being rejected and in a symbolic way, God allowed his throne to come down to earth and have men sit and rule in his place:

a. "But the thing was displeasing in the sight of Samuel when they said, "Give us a king to judge us." And Samuel prayed to the LORD. The LORD said to Samuel, "Listen to the voice of the people in regard to all that they say to you, for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected Me from being king over them. " (1 Samuel 8:6-7)

b. ""Is it not the wheat harvest today? I will call to the LORD, that He may send thunder and rain. Then you will know and see that your wickedness is great which you have done in the sight of the LORD by asking for yourselves a king." " (1 Samuel 12:17)

c. ""When you saw that Nahash the king of the sons of Ammon came against you, you said to me, 'No, but a king shall reign over us,' although the LORD your God was your king. "Now therefore, here is the king whom you have chosen, whom you have asked for, and behold, the LORD has set a king over you. " (1 Samuel 12:12-13)

3. Nothing could be clearer in that the earthly throne was in fact a symbol of God's throne in heaven. Notice the earthly throne of David and Solomon is called "the throne of God", The throne of the Kingdom of God".

a. "Of all my sons (for the LORD has given me many sons), He has chosen my son Solomon to sit on the throne of the kingdom of the LORD over Israel." (1 Chronicles 28:5)

d. "Then Solomon sat on the throne of the LORD as king instead of David his father; and he prospered, and all Israel obeyed him. " (1 Chronicles 29:23)

b. "Blessed be the LORD your God who delighted in you, setting you on His throne as king for the LORD your God; because your God loved Israel establishing them forever, therefore He made you king over them, to do justice and righteousness." " (2 Chronicles 9:8)

c. "So now you intend to resist the kingdom of the LORD through the sons of David, being a great multitude and having with you the golden calves which Jeroboam made for gods for you. " (2 Chronicles 13:8)

4. The next king to sit on the throne of God was David and God promised in a rare double prophecy that two of his seed would sit on his throne: Solomon on earth and Christ in heaven at the resurrection:

a. "When your days are fulfilled that you must go to be with your fathers, that I will set up one of your descendants after you, who will be of your sons; and I will establish his kingdom. "He shall build for Me a house, and I will establish his throne forever. "I will be his father and he shall be My son; and I will not take My lovingkindness away from him, as I took it from him who was before you. "But I will settle him in My house and in My kingdom forever, and his throne shall be established forever."(1 Chronicles 17:11-14)

b. Notice that just as Solomon was king when he built the physical temple on earth, that Christ was the king who would build the church temple in heaven.

c. Christ had to be a king to build the temple. We are the temple of God, the church, our bodies!

d. Jesus must be sitting on the throne of David in order to build the church temple!

5. The next physical king to sit on the throne of God was Solomon

a. "And Solomon sat on the throne of David his father, and his kingdom was firmly established. " (1 Kings 2:12)

b. "Besides, Solomon has even taken his seat on the throne of the kingdom. "Moreover, the king's servants came to bless our lord King David, saying, 'May your God make the name of Solomon better than your name and his throne greater than your throne!' And the king bowed himself on the bed. "The king has also said thus, 'Blessed be the LORD, the God of Israel, who has granted one to sit on my throne today while my own eyes see it.' " " (1 Kings 1:46-48)

6. God was so angered by the disobedient paganism of the kings that sat on God's throne, that God removed the throne from the earth and brought it back to heaven till Jesus, the descendant of David would sit on it.

a. "It is your destruction, O Israel, That you are against Me, against your help. Where now is your king That he may save you in all your cities, And your judges of whom you requested, "Give me a king and princes"? I gave you a king in My anger And took him away in My wrath. " (Hosea 13:9-11)

7. Today Jesus Christ shares the throne with the Father, just as David shared the throne with God. Notice the kingdom is co-owned by God and Christ NOW:

a. "For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. " (Ephesians 5:5)

b. "'He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne." (Revelation 3:21)

8. So you might say that the throne of God experienced a little early sightseeing tour because it left heaven, came to earth and stayed from Saul to the Babylonian captivity, and was then taken back to heaven to wait for Christ to die on the cross and sit on the throne of David, which was God's throne in heaven, where it always was, forever.

9. The entire notion of an earthly throne in Jerusalem for 1000 years not only has no support, it is an affront to God because the throne rightfully has always belonged in heaven.

10. A restored earthly throne as proposed by premillennialists would again anger God: "I gave you a king in My anger And took him away in My wrath. " (Hosea 13:9-11)

F. Christ has built the "temple of David" in the church which replaced the physical temple of David.

1. Passages:

a. "In that day I will raise up the fallen booth of David, And wall up its breaches; I will also raise up its ruins And rebuild it as in the days of old; That they may possess the remnant of Edom And all the nations who are called by My name," Declares the LORD who does this. " (Amos 9:11-12)

b. "Simeon has related how God first concerned Himself about taking from among the Gentiles a people for His name. "With this the words of the Prophets agree, just as it is written, 'AFTERTHESE THINGS I will return, AND I WILL REBUILD THE TABERNACLE OF DAVID WHICH HAS FALLEN, AND I WILL REBUILD ITS RUINS, AND I WILL RESTORE IT, SO THAT THE REST OF MANKIND MAY SEEK THE LORD, AND ALL THE GENTILES WHO ARE CALLED BY MY NAME,' SAYS THE LORD, WHO MAKES THESE THINGS KNOWN FROM LONG AGO. "Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles, " (Acts 15:14-19)

2. It is clear that the booth or tabernacle or temple of David has been built by Christ and is our body and the church, the kingdom.

3. Notice that if the "booth of David" is not rebuilt, then the gentiles cannot be saved.

4. This was precisely the argument that James used to prove the Gentiles could be saved without circumcision in the Jerusalem council.

5. Premillennialists and dispensationalists all fail to see that the idea of Christ coming back to earth to rebuild the physical "booth of David" in Jerusalem is untenable considering James says it is already built by Christ.

6. The sign Jesus gave to the Jews was that he would tear down the physical temple of David and REBUILD it in three days after he raised from the dead.

7. The idea of Jesus returning to build a stone temple denies the gospel and the blood sacrifice of Christ for the church on the cross.

G. No reason to bring Christ back to earth as his work is finished here:

1. His mission of redemption is complete: Eph 1:7-10; Col 1:13-14

2. His revelation is complete: Eph 3:1-10; Jude 3

3. His authority is complete: Matthew 28:18; Eph 1:20-21

4. Hi kingdom is complete: Col 1:13; Heb 12:28

5. His throne is Complete: Heb 4:13 Rev 3:21

6. His name is complete: Eph 1:22; Col 3:17; Phil 2:9-10

7. His glory is complete: Lk 24:25; 1 Pe 1:20-21

(God's Prophetic word, Foy E. Wallace, p 193, 1945)

Conclusion:

1. Jesus is seated upon the throne of David right now, and has been since Pentecost.

2. Christ is ruling in his kingdom, the church, right now and will do so until the second coming.

3. At the second coming, Jesus will give up the throne to God so that the Father may be all in all. "For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. The last enemy that will be abolished is death. For HE HAS PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET. But when He says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him. When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all. " (1 Corinthians 15:25-28)

4. Rapture teaches the false doctrine that at the second coming Jesus starts to rule in his kingdom, and Jesus is a King without a kingdom now. The Bible teaches the opposite.

5. Dispensationalists do not understand that Jesus cannot be a king or priest on earth in Jerusalem EVER, because he is a descendant of Jeconiah, and he is not a Levite.

6. The earthly throne of David is now extinct forever. A restored earthly throne as proposed by premillennialists would again anger God: "I gave you a king in My anger And took him away in My wrath." (Hosea 13:9-11)


Appreciation to Premillennial Theology Refuted: Christ is on Throne of David NOW
Jesus has not fulfilled these prophesies yet. He will literally return in Judgment and to redeem the Church and physically reign on earth after the Great Tribulation period which you and I will shortly yet partially experience -- very possibly beginning within the next couple months. (see the event which will take place on 9-23-17 as prophesied in Rev.12:1) This event will take place during the Feast of Trumpets. We will be taken out at the last trumpet (1 Cor. 15:51, 52 & 1 Thes. 4:16, 17) The Millennial Kingdom will take place where peace will finally come to the earth. The earth is not at peace nor can it possibly be at peace with sin in it. It has been God's plan all along to rid the earth of sin and evil. He did not intend for man to suffer in a sinful world for eons without end. It will happen during this generation that began in 1948 when Israel became a nation. Add 70 years ( one generation according to David himself) and you'll come to 2018. So if we see 2018 with no incidence, not at least a start the Great Tribulation, then I will retract my view as false. But at least give it one year before you dismiss this idea. Jesus gave us a key sign in Matt. 24:14, that this gospel of the kingdom will be preached to the entire world ... and then the end will come. It just about has been preached to the entire world. And with the Middle East on fire, ISIS creating havoc, N. Korea with its threats and Russia testing the world while taking Crimea and Ukraine, we are on the precipice of something big.
 
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Luke 24
25 And He said to them, “O foolish men and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken!
27 Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures.
44 Now He said to them, “These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”
 
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Of course Jesus is victorious, He just hasn't been seated on His own throne yet.
Then how do you believe His present victory is manifest?

What is He currently Victorious over?

But that changes soon.

Speaking if funny!
Do you mean "soon" the way the apostles meant it when they said it was "soon" 2000 years ago?
or do you mean something different?
 
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King Jesus sits on the Throne of David now

Hi jgr,

That would make God`s eternal Throne the throne of David, which it certainly isn`t. We know that God`s throne is eternal, above all, and that David`s throne was only given rulership in time.

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A. Jesus cannot sit on David's throne on earth: Jer 22:29-30 + Mt 1:12

I agree with you there. Jesus` priesthood is of the order of Melchizedek, a king priest. The two offices together. Israel had these two offices separate and as God`s word says -

`For if He (Christ) were on earth, He would not be a priest,.....` (Heb. 8: 4)

Marilyn.
 
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4. Rapture teaches the false doctrine that at the second coming Jesus starts to rule in his kingdom, and Jesus is a King without a kingdom now. The Bible teaches the opposite.

Hi jgr,

I am believe in the pre-trib, doctrine, but certainly do believe that Jesus is King of Heaven, King of Glory, King of the Ages, as God`s word says, before time and on into eternity. Christ has many kingships and the rulership over Israel is but part of the restoring of rulership in all of God`s great kingdom.

Marilyn.
 
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It seems pretty clear [Rev 11] that Jesus RULES at the sound of the Seventh Trumpet.
1 Co 15 confirms this reality... Satan is defeated at the "Last Trump".

Revelation 11 says "The kingdom of the world has become
the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
and he will reign for ever and ever.
"

Obviously this is speaking of the new earth as both God the Father and Jesus Christ will rule the kingdom of the world together, but we know that Jesus reigns for a thousand years prior to this event, so Revelation 11 does not support your position.
 
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That would make God`s eternal Throne the throne of David, which it certainly isn`t. We know that God`s throne is eternal, above all, and that David`s throne was only given rulership in time.

Marilyn.

Just as the earthly temple and animal sacrifices were mere types of the heavenly realities, so too was David's earthly throne. According to the apostles, Jesus (the God-King and eternal melchizidekian priest) was raised to the eternal throne of David (Acts 2:30-36). We should therefore NOT say or teach otherwise.

Acts 2:30-36
"Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him [David], that of the fruit of his [Davids] loins, according to the flesh, he would "raise up" Christ to sit on his [David's] throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses..."Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ

Peter is stating a COMPLETED prophecy has occurred. "He seeing this before SPOKE OF THE RESURRECTION OF CHRIST...THIS JESUS HATH GOD RAISED UP."

Peter sees Christ's resurrection by the Father as one that gave Jesus the eternal and immortal throne of his father David. Jesus took that throne unto himself in Matthew 21:1-17, fulfilling Zechariah 9:9. His death and resurrection made his reign IMMORTAL AND ETERNAL over all of heaven and earth (Matthew 28:18-19).

You've said that you "kinda already know that" He is King of Kings and Lord of Lords right now.

This is what that means.

(A side note: this also fulfills the 1000 year reign for Christ accomplished what David and all the other Kings in the line had failed to do, and in doing so, restored the Davidic Monarchy... Which, from David to Christ, was a period of.....

Wait for it.....

1000 years.)
 
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Just as the earthly temple and animal sacrifices were mere types of the heavenly realities, so too was David's earthly throne. According to the apostles, Jesus (the God-King and eternal melchizidekian priest) was raised to the eternal throne of David (Acts 2:30-36). We should therefore NOT say or teach otherwise.

Hi parousia,

No where in scripture does it say that King David`s throne is in the heavens. King David`s throne is an earthly one. It is the Lord Himself who gave David the authority and power to rule and promised that his house would continue and one from the fruit of his body would sit on his throne. (as your scripture tells us.)

However we know that the Lord is the `Root and Offspring of David.` (Rev. 22: 16) This shows that the Lord`s authority is BEFORE ever there was a throne of David. And that throne is but part of God`s great kingdom, in every realm. Authority and Power come from the highest, and the Lord has His own throne, note, not David`s throne, but HIS VERY OWN THRONE, in the highest. (Rev. 3: 21)

Marilyn.
 
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Hi parousia,

No where in scripture does it say that King David`s throne is in the heavens. King David`s throne is an earthly one. It is the Lord Himself who gave David the authority and power to rule and promised that his house would continue and one from the fruit of his body would sit on his throne. (as your scripture tells us.)

However we know that the Lord is the `Root and Offspring of David.` (Rev. 22: 16) This shows that the Lord`s authority is BEFORE ever there was a throne of David. And that throne is but part of God`s great kingdom, in every realm. Authority and Power come from the highest, and the Lord has His own throne, note, not David`s throne, but HIS VERY OWN THRONE, in the highest. (Rev. 3: 21)

Marilyn.

Hya M.
Tell ya what, why not take the scriptures I have cited and tell us why they don't mean what I contend they do, and instead tell us what you believe they actually DO mean?
 
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[QUOTE="parousia70, post: 71505435, member: 1081"]Hya M.
Tell ya what, why not take the scriptures I have cited and tell us why they don't mean what I contend they do, and instead tell us what you believe they actually DO mean?[/QUOTE]

Hi parousia,

Why thank you bro. I would be pleased to share what I believe concerning those scriptures & a couple of others.

1. Acts 2: 30 - 36 tells us that the Lord will `sit on David`s throne,` meaning have the rulership over Israel. However it does not say `when,` so we need more scriptures for that.

2. Matt. 21: 1 - 17 fulfilling Zech. 9: 9. I agree that Jesus was Israel`s promised King, however we know that eventually they rejected Him and said, `we have no king but Caesar.` (John 19: 15) Finally the one-third through the trib, will have their eyes opened and receive the Lord. (Zech. 12: 10 & 13: 9)

3. Matt. 28: 18 & 19. `All authority has given to me in heaven and on earth..` King David`s throne never had authority in heaven. So where did Jesus get this authority.

`For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, and has given Him (Christ) authority to execute judgment also,....` (John 5: 26 & 27)

The Father`s authority and giving of life, far surpasses that of David.

Marilyn.


 
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[QUOTE="parousia70, post: 71505435, member: 1081"]

1. Acts 2: 30 - 36 tells us that the Lord will `sit on David`s throne,` meaning have the rulership over Israel. However it does not say `when,`

Rather, it absolutely says when.

In fact Peter is citing it as a PRESENT RELAITY.

Read it again:

Acts 2:30-36
"Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him [David], that of the fruit of his [Davids] loins, according to the flesh, he would "raise up" Christ to sit on his [David's] throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses..."Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ

Again, Peter is stating a COMPLETED, FULFILLED prophecy has occurred. "He seeing this before SPOKE OF THE RESURRECTION OF CHRIST...THIS JESUS HATH GOD RAISED UP."

God said HE WOULD RAISE,
Peter affirms HE DID RAISE.
 
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Rather, it absolutely says when.

In fact Peter is citing it as a PRESENT RELAITY.

Read it again:

Acts 2:30-36
"Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him [David], that of the fruit of his [Davids] loins, according to the flesh, he would "raise up" Christ to sit on his [David's] throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses..."Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ

Again, Peter is stating a COMPLETED, FULFILLED prophecy has occurred. "He seeing this before SPOKE OF THE RESURRECTION OF CHRIST...THIS JESUS HATH GOD RAISED UP."

God said HE WOULD RAISE,
Peter affirms HE DID RAISE.

Yes, Peter says that Jesus is both Lord and Christ. But where does it say that He is then and there ruling over Israel and they are receiving that rule?

Marilyn.
 
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Acts 2: 30 - 36 tells us that the Lord will `sit on David`s throne,` meaning have the rulership over Israel. However it does not say `when,` so we need more scriptures for that.

Peter is explaining that in psalm 110, David, a prophet, knew that his descendent would sit on his throne, and he spoke of the ressurection of Christ as the fulfillment of this.
Acts 2:30-31 Being therefore a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that he would set one of his descendants on his throne, he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption.

Matt. 21: 1 - 17 fulfilling Zech. 9: 9. I agree that Jesus was Israel`s promised King, however we know that eventually they rejected Him and said, `we have no king but Caesar.`

Just because they rejected Christ as king doesn't mean he isn't the king. Luke 19:27 But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.’” So when was Israel, who rejected Christ as king, slaughtered?

3. Matt. 28: 18 & 19. `All authority has given to me in heaven and on earth..` King David`s throne never had authority in heaven. So where did Jesus get this authority.

We have to establish what king davids throne is\was.

It was God, who in heaven, was the king of Israel before the establishment of a human king

1 Samuel 8:7 And the Lord said to Samuel, “Obey the voice of the people in all that they say to you, for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected me from being king over them."

Just because God is rejected as king doesn't mean he isn't still king. He is God after all. So he allowed a human to sit on his throne as his representative.

The true throne of David IS the throne of God
1 Chronicles 29:23 Then Solomon sat on the throne of the Lord as king in place of David his father. And he prospered, and all Israel obeyed him.

So for Christ to sit on Davids throne is to sit on the throne of God. The Father allowed David to sit on His throne, as his representative. It is Christ, the son of David, who sat down on the throne when he was raised up, to fulfill the promises that God made to David.

The Father`s authority and giving of life, far surpasses that of David.

It is Christ, who is the visible representation of the invisible God, who is sitting on the Lord's throne, reigning in heaven, with all authority over heaven and
earth.
 
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Yes, Peter says that Jesus is both Lord and Christ. But where does it say that He is then and there ruling over Israel and they are receiving that rule?

Marilyn.
How can Christ have ALL authority over heaven and earth, with his name far above ALL dominion and power and yet not be ruling over Israel as you? Jesus was sitting on his throne in heaven when he ascended and yet he would be with the apostles until the end of the age

Matthew 28:18-20 And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”
 
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