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Seth Rich Murdered

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What about justice for Republican operative Peter W. Smith, who died within days after talking to the Wall Street Journal!

a university forensics team investigated seth rich proving it to be a professional killer, see op. Does your example have a smoking gun evidence such as this?
 
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Let's look at the non-conspiratorial side of the story:
How the Murder of a D.N.C. Staff Member Fueled Conspiracy Theories
Mining a Murder: How Seth Rich Became a Martyr for the Alt-Right

And, as the articles above point out, there is no actual evidence that Seth Rich leaked any emails:
FACT CHECK: Did DNC Staffer Seth Rich Send 'Thousands of E-Mails' to WikiLeaks Before He Was Murdered?

And, the "forensics team" do forensic psychology (profiling). The Profling Project was founded by a D.C. lobbyist and is staffed largely by students:
http://thepublicityagency.com/the-profiling-project/

And, their report is highly suspect:
The Profiling Project vs. Homicide Victim Seth Rich: Criminal Profiling BS
 
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Let's look at the non-conspiratorial side of the story:
How the Murder of a D.N.C. Staff Member Fueled Conspiracy Theories
Mining a Murder: How Seth Rich Became a Martyr for the Alt-Right

And, as the articles above point out, there is no actual evidence that Seth Rich leaked any emails:
FACT CHECK: Did DNC Staffer Seth Rich Send 'Thousands of E-Mails' to WikiLeaks Before He Was Murdered?

And, the "forensics team" do forensic psychology (profiling). The Profling Project was founded by a D.C. lobbyist and is staffed largely by students:
http://thepublicityagency.com/the-profiling-project/

And, their report is highly suspect:
The Profiling Project vs. Homicide Victim Seth Rich: Criminal Profiling BS

most fact checking sites, are often lacking in that which they most need, which is facts. Try a non partisan source. My sources were non partisan in the op.
 
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most fact checking sites, are often lacking in that which they most need, which is facts. Try a non partisan source. My sources were non partisan in the op.

I linked multiple different sites that all agree.

You posted one link from an organization that is run by a conservative lobbyist.
 
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I linked multiple different sites that all agree.

You posted one link from an organization that is run by a conservative lobbyist.

you mean the university? run by a republican lobbyist. you must have got that from your fact checker sites
 
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you mean the university? run by a republican lobbyist. you must have got that from your fact checker sites

Did you not read my links? The Profiling Project uses students, but is not part of the university.

Says it right on their webpage: "Funded by Jack M. Burkman."
"The Profiling Project is one of the largest autonomous and independent private murder investigations ever launched. Funded by lobbyist/lawyer Jack Burkman, the investigation aims to find the murderer of DNC staffer Seth Rich."
The Profiling project

Who is Jack Burkman? He is a Republican lobbyist.
Jack Burkman - Wikipedia
 
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If sources can't be funded by partisan sources, then all your sources are tossed out. all we know is the facts, the murderer cleaned the crime scene and removed casings, no evidence of robbery as his wallet was still intact. if you believe this was a failed robbery, again I would question your arguments validity and lack of facts. These are the reasons why many graduate students in forensics at Washington University decided this was premeditated and done professionally. so now that I posted this evidence I assume you will quote your fact checker sites which again are partisan and to be tossed in toilet as fake news. see thread on fake news.:wave:
 
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If sources can't be funded by partisan sources, then all your sources are tossed out. all we know is the facts, the murderer cleaned the crime scene and removed casings, no evidence of robbery as his wallet was still intact. if you believe this was a failed robbery, again I would question your arguments validity and lack of facts. These are the reasons why many graduate students in forensics at Washington University decided this was premeditated and done professionally. so now that I posted this evidence I assume you will quote your fact checker sites which again are partisan and to be tossed in toilet as fake news. see thread on fake news.:wave:

First off, you claimed that the report was a forensic analysis. It isn't. It is forensic psychology (profiling).

Second, you claimed that The Profiling Project was part of the university. It isn't. It is independent and funded solely by one man with an obvious agenda.

Third, the report that produced has been criticized as garbage for a whole host of reasons.

Fourth, we do not know that the casings were cleaned up. As one of my links very nicely pointed out, if a revolver was used, there would be no casings. Otherwise, casings are small and round, they roll. They are also not always found. This is not a crime scene from a television drama.

Fifth, you claim that Seth Rich was the source of the DNC email leak. There is no evidence of this. In fact, the emails that the conservative propagandists claim he leaked are the same ones that the government has alleged Russia hacked.

Sixth, if this was a "professional hit," the supposed assassin made a mess of it. If you were a professional trying to kill someone, why would your shoot him in the spine? The head or chest makes more sense.

Seventh, the police are thinking failed robbery because of other similar incidents in the area. Maybe the wallet was still there because he robber got spooked, heard sirens, someone walked by, who knows.
 
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Did you not read my links? The Profiling Project uses students, but is not part of the university.

Says it right on their webpage: "Funded by Jack M. Burkman."
"The Profiling Project is one of the largest autonomous and independent private murder investigations ever launched. Funded by lobbyist/lawyer Jack Burkman, the investigation aims to find the murderer of DNC staffer Seth Rich."
The Profiling project

Who is Jack Burkman? He is a Republican lobbyist.
Jack Burkman - Wikipedia
If it's one of the largest maybe you should listen to its conclusions.
 
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Revolvers have a heavy trigger, and pull to the side. if it was a hitman, it would not have been a revolver. so that takes away you main piece of evidence that you believe this was not a cleaned opperation. secondly there is evidence that the man murdered was in contact with wikileaks. why would you contact wikileaks for any other reason than to leak. as I said before the private eye was asked what his source was in the fbi, yet liberal news always protect sources. because of this pressure to expose his source his story changed, and fox pulled the story. hence the whole conspiracy tag got born. if you can show me one of your sources that say this stuff then maybe your argument will hold more water. the facts are if you are spooked you don't take time to clean up the crime scene of bullet casings. tell me one hitman that uses a revolver? you have to manually reload. I do give you an A for effort. But you are only as good as your sources. If I looked them up one by one, which I can't cause I don't have time....I am sure they would not hold water.
 
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First off, you claimed that the report was a forensic analysis. It isn't. It is forensic psychology (profiling).

Second, you claimed that The Profiling Project was part of the university. It isn't. It is independent and funded solely by one man with an obvious agenda.

Third, the report that produced has been criticized as garbage for a whole host of reasons.

Fourth, we do not know that the casings were cleaned up. As one of my links very nicely pointed out, if a revolver was used, there would be no casings. Otherwise, casings are small and round, they roll. They are also not always found. This is not a crime scene from a television drama.

Fifth, you claim that Seth Rich was the source of the DNC email leak. There is no evidence of this. In fact, the emails that the conservative propagandists claim he leaked are the same ones that the government has alleged Russia hacked.

Sixth, if this was a "professional hit," the supposed assassin made a mess of it. If you were a professional trying to kill someone, why would your shoot him in the spine? The head or chest makes more sense.

Seventh, the police are thinking failed robbery because of other similar incidents in the area. Maybe the wallet was still there because he robber got spooked, heard sirens, someone walked by, who knows.

but the university affected the study. Thats good enough for me. Just as if you have successful graduates being affected by their training.
 
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you claim the report garbage, but you are not authorized to say it's garbage. You have graduate level forensics teams doing this work. Sorry if I believe their word over yours. I already shown your sources biased, you never even combated the fact they were biased.
 
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Revolvers have a heavy trigger, and pull to the side. if it was a hitman, it would not have been a revolver. so that takes away you main piece of evidence that you believe this was not a cleaned opperation. secondly there is evidence that the man murdered was in contact with wikileaks. why would you contact wikileaks for any other reason than to leak. as I said before the private eye was asked what his source was in the fbi, yet liberal news always protect sources. because of this pressure to expose his source his story changed, and fox pulled the story. hence the whole conspiracy tag got born. if you can show me one of your sources that say this stuff then maybe your argument will hold more water. the facts are if you are spooked you don't take time to clean up the crime scene of bullet casings. tell me one hitman that uses a revolver? you have to manually reload. I do give you an A for effort. But you are only as good as your sources. If I looked them up one by one, which I can't cause I don't have time....I am sure they would not hold water.

Where is the evidence that he contacted Wikileaks? That's right - there isn't any.

And, maybe a pro wouldn't use a revolver, but since it wasn't a pro, who knows?

Also, the FBI is not investigating this. It is outside their jurisdiction. The D.C. Metro Police are investigating.

I already posted links supporting these statements.
 
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but the university affected the study. Thats good enough for me. Just as if you have successful graduates being affected by their training.

You claimed it was the university, but it wasn't.

It was one man funding it - a Republican lobbyist.
 
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you claim the report garbage, but you are not authorized to say it's garbage. You have graduate level forensics teams doing this work. Sorry if I believe their word over yours. I already shown your sources biased, you never even combated the fact they were biased.

I go off of critiques from others. I don't take a questionable source at face value.

And, you didn't show anything about my sources - you made an unsubstantiated claim to which I responded in post 63.
 
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Where is the evidence that he contacted Wikileaks? That's right - there isn't any.

And, maybe a pro wouldn't use a revolver, but since it wasn't a pro, who knows?

Also, the FBI is not investigating this. It is outside their jurisdiction. The D.C. Metro Police are investigating.

I already posted links supporting these statements.
FBI contact that went into hiding after media went after sources. I already told you that.
 
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You claimed it was the university, but it wasn't.

It was one man funding it - a Republican lobbyist.
one man funding many graduates from the university, so it the results were affected directly by the university. Albeit not an official investigation under the school. You are correct.
 
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Where is the evidence that he contacted Wikileaks? That's right - there isn't any.

And, maybe a pro wouldn't use a revolver, but since it wasn't a pro, who knows?

Also, the FBI is not investigating this. It is outside their jurisdiction. The D.C. Metro Police are investigating.

I already posted links supporting these statements.
I never said the fbi was investigating.
 
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