So.... they had a free will moment....?
What? Why would they chose to be evil then? Are they stupid?
Yes. They could actualize their own will , but whatever stance they chose there was no point to return/repent , this is the eternal realm boundary .
When they chose to be evil , it was rooted in their own will cause they were all full state (with full knowledge and full ability )/ they had intention to rebel so not stupid.
Isa14:11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
14:13
For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14:14
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit
Why can’t men admit that they have no free will (positive and negative will ) in spiritual dimension ?, the deepest root is
“ want to be glory “, if they are honest , they will say the glory is not for God alone, but also for them, where in their sights by their own will they still can seek God , they still can obey God, even the scriptures plainly say such Rom3:10-12 , and Isa64:6 ,times i tried to explain about it ; how can a spiritual being move to the eternal realm in peace ( realm where God is ) from this perishable realm by their own effort/will ? this is an impossible thing !, every ones living in this perishable realm surely need His power/charity to be moved so they can be out from this realm ---> Salvation is by God Grace alone , then if the premise is
“ salvation is by God’s grace alone” surely the glory is for God alone .
If men still can seek, obey, prophesy , cast out the devil so there should no verse like this;
Math7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord,
have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And if we firmly still believe that we have free will in spiritual dimension, so not impossible one of the victims such in Math7;22 surely us ( because we will depend on our will in every way ).
Are "obey and seek God" wrong ?, surely not but in the deepest understanding of our hart should say “ what ever I try to obey and seek if I actually have no spiritual ears , so surely I will never find and obey Him ,
but because no one knows who really have spiritual ears what’s wrong if I try to seek or obey ? “
Math13:9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear
John3:30
He must increase, but I must decrease.
The real obey and seek God are the works of God Himself.
Isa26:12 LORD, thou wilt ordain peace for us:
for thou also hast wrought all our works in us.
Rev19:8 And
to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.