Can Your Christianity Help a Dying Man?

[TheSeabass]

There's only one gospel.

Yes, and that one gospel does not teach death bed salvation.

 

[Catherineanne]

So you would leave a dying person to die in their sins just so you don't feel like you guilted them into something? Interesting.

Romans 10:14-17

I would trust in God's mercy for them as for myself.

 

[Catherineanne]

The gospel does not teach 'death bed salvation'. Was this man already a Christian or not? If not, depending on this man's mental/physical condition, it may be too late for him.

God can work at any point in any person's life. The point is that it is God doing the work, not us.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Yes, and that one gospel does not teach death bed salvation.

May we all have a look at that teaching? Chapter and verse?

 

[Catherineanne]

The whole point of "repentance" is you change, turn away from wicked ways.

It's very easy for people to obey and be a saint when death is staring them at the face. Are those the kind of people that God wants to save?

Remember Jesus on the Cross, He did not even bother/waste time to try saving the other thief.....

The whole world is mourning in Matthew 24 because they know what's coming! Judgement! And it's far too late for them!

It is never too late for God to show mercy. He can do it at any time he chooses, and to whoever he likes.

 

[Catherineanne]

Yes, and that one gospel does not teach death bed salvation.

I am not sure what you mean by this, but nobody is excluded from God's grace.

 

[Hammster]

Yes, and that one gospel does not teach death bed salvation.

The thief on the cross would beg to differ.

 

[TheSeabass]

I am not sure what you mean by this, but nobody is excluded from God's grace.

The disobedient man will not receive God's grace.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

The disobedient man will not receive God's grace.

There goes my plans for the afterlife. . .

If I hear you correctly, God's grace sounds like a bank loan. You can only get it if you can prove you don't need it.

 

[TheSeabass]

The thief on the cross would beg to differ.

He is not an example of NT salvation (Hebrews 9:16-7) as has been dmostrated on this forum numerous times.
Furthermore can you prove the thief was not of those baptized in Mark 1:5, was a disciple of Christ, later falls into a life of crime and repents of that sin?

 

[ByTheSpirit]

The thief on the cross would beg to differ.

The thief on the cross died under the Old Covenant, not the New

 

[TheSeabass]

May we all have a look at that teaching? Chapter and verse?

If you claim the NT gospel teaches death bed salvation, then you prove your own assertion by showing where it does.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

I would trust in God's mercy for them as for myself.

Not a bad plan but what if your mouth was the vehicle God wanted to bring his mercy through?

Otherwise why does anyone evangelize? Can't we all just trust God's mercy and be silent so we don't "offend" anyone?

 

[jimmyjimmy]

If you claim the NT gospel teaches death bed salvation, then you prove your own assertion by showing where it does.

You are the one who made the claim.

 

[Catherineanne]

The disobedient man will not receive God's grace.

You don't know the limits of God's grace. Fortunately.

 

[Catherineanne]

Not a bad plan but what if your mouth was the vehicle God wanted to bring his mercy through?

Otherwise why does anyone evangelize? Can't we all just trust God's mercy and be silent so we don't "offend" anyone?

Yep. We can indeed all trust God and keep quiet.

Frankly in 90% of attempted evangelism it would be an improvement.

But I said nothing about offending anyone; I spoke of caring for the dying person appropriately. As will be clear from my posts, I am not at all averse to offending sanctimonious people.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

Yep. We can indeed all trust God and keep quiet.

Frankly in 90% of attempted evangelism it would be an improvement.

But I said nothing about offending anyone; I spoke of caring for the dying person appropriately. As will be clear from my posts, I am not at all averse to offending sanctimonious people.

I certainly agree that a good amount of modern evangelism needs improvement. But I totally disagree that we should just be silent. Jesus never once told us to be quiet about our faith but to proclaim it from the rooftops.

 

[Catherineanne]

I certainly agree that a good amount of modern evangelism needs improvement. But I totally disagree that we should just be silent. Jesus never once told us to be quiet about our faith but to proclaim it from the rooftops.

Do you see me being quiet?

Lol!!!

There is a time to be quiet and a time to call out humbug and call it humbug.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

I certainly agree that a good amount of modern evangelism needs improvement. But I totally disagree that we should just be silent. Jesus never once told us to be quiet about our faith but to proclaim it from the rooftops.

Yes. Of course.

In fact, the word, "gospel", as I'm sure you know, mean Good News. What do you do with good news? You proclaim it! You share it. It is verbal, so yes, we shout it from rooftops and we whisper it into a dying man's ear.

 

[Hammster]

He is not an example of NT salvation (Hebrews 9:16-7) as has been dmostrated on this forum numerous times.
Furthermore can you prove the thief was not of those baptized in Mark 1:5, was a disciple of Christ, later falls into a life of crime and repents of that sin?

An argument from silence? Not gonna fly.