Humans did NOT evolve from Apes...

[Aman777]

Sorry, I wasn't born yesterday, and am familiar with the bible. It is no delusion to think the garden and Adam and Eve were on this planet. Nor is it delusion to think Jesus created it all. Your bizarre claims of Noah arriving on Planet earth after the flood, Adam living billions of years, and man having ape ancestors and the rest of your truly ridiculous bible opposing fables are exposed as a fraud.

Only in the minds of some comedians and many religionists who CANNOT support their foolishness with actual Scripture Science or History. "Just believe me", they preach. God Bless you

 

[dad]

Only in the minds of some comedians and many religionists who CANNOT support their foolishness with actual Scripture Science or History. "Just believe me", they preach. God Bless you

You did a swell job of supporting a billions of years old man called Adam. Your little world of man under a lake also had no support whatsoever. How did that work, by the way. God told man and beast to multiply and populate the world. Were they supposed to swim out from some underwater world? Ha.

 

[Aman777]

You did a swell job of supporting a billions of years old man called Adam. Your little world of man under a lake also had no support whatsoever. How did that work, by the way. God told man and beast to multiply and populate the world. Were they supposed to swim out from some underwater world? Ha.

Read the following and then prepare your apology to the Holy Spirit for slandering His Holy Word:

Gen 1:6 ¶ And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

Where was Adam's firmament placed? In the midst or middle of Water with water above and below it. With your great understanding of Scripture tell us what this verse is saying. It is speaking of the Scoffers of the last days:

2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

Please tell us HOW Adam's Earth could be in the water and out of the water at the SAME time.....Waiting...

 

[dad]

Read the following and then prepare your apology to the Holy Spirit for slandering His Holy Word:

Gen 1:6 ¶ And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

Where was Adam's firmament placed?

It wasn't Adam's space, it was just space. The space where the stars and sun were placed. Adam was actually put in a garden..and I don;t mean octopus' garden under the sea either. Asking for an apology for having dreams exposed shows that you will not let them go. Beyond reasoning. I will leave you to your delusions then.

In the midst or middle of Water with water above and below it.

The early stages of earth the first day or so did involve water separating. Nothing to do with Adam under a lake being billions of years old!

Please tell us HOW Adam's Earth could be in the water and out of the water at the SAME time.....Waiting...

God's earth. Adam came on day six.

 

[Aman777]

It wasn't Adam's space, it was just space. The space where the stars and sun were placed. Adam was actually put in a garden..and I don;t mean octopus' garden under the sea either. Asking for an apology for having dreams exposed shows that you will not let them go. Beyond reasoning. I will leave you to your delusions then.

Who said anything about space? You obviously cannot read and comprehend that Adam's firmament was placed in the midst of WATER.

Gen 1:6 ¶ And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters

Try again and this time actually read what the verse says.

*** The early stages of earth the first day or so did involve water separating. Nothing to do with Adam under a lake being billions of years old!
God's earth. Adam came on day six.

False, since Adam's firmament, which is the solid boundary of Adam's world, was in WATER with WATER above and below it. You are "adding to" what is written in order to have it agree with your ancient superstitious view. Adam's entire WORLD was in water and when the windows on high were opened, Adam's entire WORLD was totally destroyed in the flood. ll Peter 3:6 Until you learn to read, no one should listen to what you THINK Scripture is saying. God Bless you

 

[dad]

Who said anything about space? You obviously cannot read and comprehend that Adam's firmament was placed in the midst of WATER.

The stars were placed in it. Any water below it was on earth. Any water above the stars was beyond our idea of space. To try and make that into 'Adam was billions of years old, and living with all mankind till the flood under a lake' Is utterly ridiculous, and an insult to the bible, God, and reason itself.
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Adam's entire WORLD was in water and when the windows on high were opened,

How would trees and all life on earth die if it was not the earth that was flooded? You seem to be claiming the earth was not floded, but that there were planet of the ape like creatures alive and well, and that the people who popped out of the lake on an ark had sex and babies with them, and that modern man descended from this...rather than being created and a kind, and with Adam and Eve as the common ancestors.

Adam's entire WORLD was totally destroyed in the flood.

Funny Noah sent out birds and later animals to repopulate the world then eh? Funny the bird brought a fresh leaf of a tree on the world then, eh?

 

[xianghua]

But evidence says we did.

evidence as?

 

[Aman777]

The stars were placed in it. Any water below it was on earth. Any water above the stars was beyond our idea of space.

I can only deal with comedic posts a little at a time. Here is the account of Adam's Firmament:

Gen 1:6 ¶ And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

Can you understand that when the solid firmament or boundary of Adam's world was made, it was place in the midst of WATER? Is that too hard to understand?

Gen 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

See? The firmament divided the water under the firmament from the water above the firmament. IOW, it was totally surrounded by WATER. Amen?

Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

God called Adam's firmament Heaven, the first Heaven. On the NEXT Day Lord God/Jesus made other HeavenS (plural). He made the 2nd Heaven (the present Cosmos) and He made the THIRD Heaven of ll Corinthians 12:2. Is that too much for you to understand?

*** Funny Noah sent out birds and later animals to repopulate the world then eh? Funny the bird brought a fresh leaf of a tree on the world then, eh?

Absolutely since Olive Trees don't germinate in the mud, grow limbs and leaves in ONLY 7 Days between the time when the Dove first went out. Gen 8:10 FYI, there were millions of birds, animals and prehistoric people on planet Earth when the Ark arrived 11,000 years ago. God Bless you

 

[Motherofkittens]

evidence as?

DNA for one.

 

[dad]

Can you understand that when the solid firmament or boundary of Adam's world was made, it was place in the midst of WATER? Is that too hard to understand?

You understand the stars were in the firmament separating them?

See? The firmament divided the water under the firmament from the water above the firmament. IOW, it was totally surrounded by WATER. Amen?

No. The firmament was where stars are. The water above that hardly 'surrounds us'.

God called Adam's firmament Heaven, the first Heaven.

Adam was made later, why call it Adam's firmament?

On the NEXT Day Lord God/Jesus made other HeavenS (plural). He made the 2nd Heaven (the present Cosmos) and He made the THIRD Heaven of ll Corinthians 12:2. Is that too much for you to understand?

Here is the verses of what was made the day after the firmament in verse 2.

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. 11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, F3 the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

I see no third heaven or any heaven in there?

Absolutely since Olive Trees don't germinate in the mud, grow limbs and leaves in ONLY 7 Days between the time when the Dove first went out

Says who? They grew fast in that day.

FYI, there were millions of birds, animals and prehistoric people on planet Earth when the Ark arrived 11,000 years ago. God Bless you

Made up nonsense. Why do you think God put the kinds on the ark?

 

[Aman777]

You understand the stars were in the firmament separating them?

No. The firmament was where stars are. The water above that hardly 'surrounds us'.

There were NO stars in Adam's firmament. The Stars are in our firmament. Go out tonight and look up at the 2nd firmament or 2nd Heaven. Beyond our firmament/Cosmos, there is another and it's called the 3rd Heaven. ll Corinthians 12:2 It's where Christians will live forever with Jesus but some bumpkins think the flames, which will melt the elements with fervent heat, will just cleanse the Earth and Heaven will come down to the present Earth which crucified Jesus. Pray that they have more faith than most since they don't have any common sense. God calls them the Scoffers of the last days. ll Peter 3:3-7 God Bless you

 

[miknik5]

Read the following and then prepare your apology to the Holy Spirit for slandering His Holy Word:

Gen 1:6 ¶ And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

Where was Adam's firmament placed? In the midst or middle of Water with water above and below it. With your great understanding of Scripture tell us what this verse is saying. It is speaking of the Scoffers of the last days:

2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

Please tell us HOW Adam's Earth could be in the water and out of the water at the SAME time.....Waiting...

Because you missed the order of creation and how after GOD placed one firmament to separate the waters above from the waters below. HE further gathered the waters so that the waters were contained in areas and dry land began to emerge with the contained gathered waters making up the various bodies of waters throughout the world : oceans, and lakes, and rivers

 

[miknik5]

all this time since reading your post about "your dad"

I thought you were referring to your actual "dad"

 

[miknik5]

There were NO stars in Adam's firmament. The Stars are in our firmament. Go out tonight and look up at the 2nd firmament or 2nd Heaven. Beyond our firmament/Cosmos, there is another and it's called the 3rd Heaven. ll Corinthians 12:2 It's where Christians will live forever with Jesus but some bumpkins think the flames, which will melt the elements with fervent heat, will just cleanse the Earth and Heaven will come down to the present Earth which crucified Jesus. Pray that they have more faith than most since they don't have any common sense. God calls them the Scoffers of the last days. ll Peter 3:3-7 God Bless you

Scoffers refers to those who do not believe CHRIST will come again


Not those who do not believe the NEW JERUSAJEM will be coming down from Heaven like a bride adorned for her husband

2 Peter 3

3Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

 

[dad]

There were NO stars in Adam's firmament. The Stars are in our firmament.

Adam had no sun and stars eh? Add that to the pile I guess.

Go out tonight and look up at the 2nd firmament or 2nd Heaven. Beyond our firmament/Cosmos, there is another and it's called the 3rd Heaven. ll Corinthians 12:2 It's where Christians will live forever with Jesus but some bumpkins think the flames, which will melt the elements with fervent heat, will just cleanse the Earth and Heaven will come down to the present Earth which crucified Jesus. Pray that they have more faith than most since they don't have any common sense. God calls them the Scoffers of the last days. ll Peter 3:3-7 God Bless you

Resorted to rambling nonsense eh?

 

[miknik5]

Amen, but we are given a better understanding if we seek the agreement of what mankind has discovered which agrees with God's Holy Word. This is based on what God told Daniel:

Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

It's the way God hid His Truth from everyone except the people who live in the last days before Jesus returns at Armageddon. God told us His scientific Truth in Genesis and it agrees with the recently discovered Truths of mankind. ONLY God could hide His Truth in the future since only God can see the end from the beginning. He knew what the people of today are just now learning 3k years ago.

Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all My pleasure:

*** In Genesis chapter 2, "day" is clearly not a 24 hour day, merely. Why would "day" be different in the 2nd chapter than in the first, and that's only one of several things to consider. More to the point is how we are not told how much time is passing between any two days.

The Days (Heb-yowm-periods of time) are Ages consisting of many Billions of years, in man's time. The evening and morning are the end and the beginning of these work periods. God has only 7 Days and the 7th is Eternity since it has no evening and no morning. We live today at the end of the present 6th Day of God's labor at Gen 1:27 since God is STILL creating Adam/mankind in Christ. Gen 1:28-31 is Prophecy of events which happen AFTER Jesus returns at Armageddon.

*** But please humbly may I ask you to refrain from asserting the first man was made on the 3rd day in Genesis 1, contradicting the text? After all, just look at verse 26.

Verse 26 is the account of the time when Adam and Eve were BOTH created in God's Image, which is in Christ Spiritually. Details of this event are told in Gen 5:1-2 which shows that A&E were born again Spiritually after Cain killed Abel.

Adam was first made a living soul on the 3rd Day BEFORE the plants, herbs and rain. Gen 2:4-7 Trees, which GREW on the 3rd Day, Gen 1:12 were made AFTER Adam was made. Gen 2:8-9 This is confirmed in the following verse:

1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Adam was born again on the 6th Day. Gen 1:26 & Gen 5:1-2 He could NOT have been "created" by the Trinity, Eternally, until the 6th Day since Eve was not made until the 6th Day. Gen 2:22 Adam was first made a living soul when Jesus (Lord God) made him from the dust. We are His kinds. Gen 2:4-7 and the last Adam was made an eternal Spirit by the agreement of The Trinity (God). Today, Adam is Their kinds or the kinds created to live with Jesus forever in God's perfect 3rd Heaven. God Bless you

This conveniently removes the need for the ACTUAL "lLAST ADAM" CHRIST JESUS to have to first come into the world in the flesh in order to lay down the flesh so as to become for all the "first little unregenerated adams naturally born on the 6th day" to be reborn of CHRIST's (THE LAST ADAM) LIFE-GIVING SPIRIT


The first Adam became a living soul (that's 6th day unregenerated natural fleshly carnal man)

The LAST ADAM became a life-giving SPIRIT (that's THE LORD doing for natural carnal fleshly Adam what he could not do for himself by THE LORD's SPIRIT being poured out upon the unregenerated little fleshly adam (on an individual basis based on unregenerated little fleshly Adam believing in CHRIST's redemptive work) through faith in CHRIST's redemptive work which was laying down willingly and purposely the flesh so as to take it up again and so as to become for those little 6th day little fleshly carnal adams a LIFE-GIVING SPIRIT

Flesh came first....then spirit
All must be born again

Adam was not born again because the SPIRIT had not yet been poured out upon any because CHRIST JESUS had not yet entered into HIS GLORY

 

[miknik5]

Amen. Now you know why the 7th Day is Eternity and has no end. God Bless you

Done have already passed through the LORD's (7th day) SABBATH REST and are a NEW (8th day) CREATION in HIM

That doesn't hold true for those who are still 6 and unregenerated little fleshly carnal adams

 

[miknik5]

It's a losing argument, anyway. There is no indication whatever that the author(s) of Gen 1 meant anything else but a regular 24-hour day, with no attempt to "encode" great ages or anything of the kind.

Except CHRIST clarified what HE means by THE SPIRIT when HE calls light...day and darkness...night

 

[miknik5]

Indeed, my own GUESS leads me in my GUESSING to take that literally (surprise!).

I may be wrong. It would not even matter. What matter is that we have real faith.

The point of Genesis chapter 1 is that God created all that is, and the wonder and majesty of it.

But like many people I have a guess about the (comparatively trivial) history of small details that are *not* in the text. My own speculation to go along with the other speculations.

I think (my guess) that Genesis chapter 1 was conveyed by a vision.
(see 1 Samuel chapter 3 -- "And the word of the Lord was rare in those days; there was no frequent vision." i.e, visions are how much of the Word was communicated to us).

And I think it was 6 visions, or 6 scenes in a vision, in order. And from the vision was written a best understood version of what was seen, as best possible, using words and ideas available.

So, my SPECULATION is this was a vision of actual days. Real.

Seen from the point of view of being on Earth, on the surface. And in sequence.

And separated in time. Real, actual days, far apart from one another. Representative of life unfolding on Earth.

I think the light on day one is our star the sun, but it is not visible until day 4 due to constant cloud cover on early Earth.

But....this next thing is more important: that my own speculative guessing is NOT of any great importance at all.

It's enough, and for me the essential, that I know that God is behind the establishment of our Universe, it's natural laws (physics), and thus all that we can see, everywhere.

So, when my brothers and sisters in Christ think of it in a different way than I do, I'm happy, and content, and I love them, and I do NOT need to correct them about things not in the Bible, like how much time passed during verse 1 or verse 2, etc. We seek to focus on the truly important instead, like how to "love your neighbor", and how to understand things in the New Testament we actually need to do.

I know that with God, it is this way:

1 “Come, all you who are thirsty,
come to the waters;
and you who have no money,
come, buy and eat!

Come, buy wine and milk
without money and without cost.

2 Why spend money on what is not bread,
and your labor on what does not satisfy?

Listen, listen to me, and eat what is good,
and you will delight in the richest of fare.

3 Give ear and come to me;
listen, that you may live.

I will make an everlasting covenant with you,
my faithful love promised to David.

4 See, I have made him a witness to the peoples,
a ruler and commander of the peoples.

5 Surely you will summon nations you know not,
and nations you do not know will come running to you,
because of the Lord your God,
the Holy One of Israel,
for he has endowed you with splendor.”

6 Seek the Lord while he may be found;
call on him while he is near.

7 Let the wicked forsake their ways
and the unrighteous their thoughts.
Let them turn to the Lord, and he will have mercy on them,
and to our God, for he will freely pardon.

8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the Lord.

9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.

IT matters because LIGHT which GOD was pointing to had to first cone into the world and leave the world in order for man created on the 6th day to be born again

And that means that the first little fleshly carnal living soul of Adam was not born again ever (just like JOHN born of woman was never born again) and neither were any little carnal fleshly 6th day adams born again until after CHRIST would pour out HIS LIFE-GIVING SPIRIT upoin those little 6th day carnal fleshly adams who would believe in HIM

 

[miknik5]

Here are the verses with my thoughts in black:

These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God (YHWH/Jesus) made the earth and the heavens,

Jesus made other Heavens, (plural) on the SAME Day God the Trinity made the FIRST Earth, which was on the 3rd Day. Genesis 1:10

Gen 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God (Jesus) had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. Gen 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

On the 3rd Day, the same Day Adam's Earth was made, but BEFORE plants or herbs grew (they grew on the 3rd Day Gen 1:12) the Lord made Adam, the first Human, from the dust of the ground.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed (Heb-squeezed into shape as a Potter molds the clay) man (Heb-Adam) of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. (Heb-being)

See? Adam was formed by the Hands of Jesus on the 3rd Day before the plants herbs and rain. Amen?

Gen 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there He put the man whom He had formed. Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree (Trees grew on the 3rd Day Gen 1:12) that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Next time someone asks, Which Day was Adam made from the dust? Tell them to read the above verses and see that Adam was made from the dust on the 3rd Day BEFORE plants, herbs, rain and Trees, which also grew on the 3rd Day Gen 1:12 and which were made AFTER Adam was made.

Adam and Eve were "created in God's Image" or born again Spiritually by God the Trinity on the 6th Day at the same time. Gen 1:26 and Gen 5:1-2 Adam could NOT have been born Spiritually before then because Eve was NOT made until the 6th Day. Gen 2:22 God's Truth is the Truth in every way, and confirmed in the New Testament.

1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening Spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is Spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is Spiritual.

Like ALL men, Adam was first made a living being until he and Eve were born again Spiritually and Eternally by God the Trinity, which was AFTER Cain killed Abel. Gen 5:1-2 This assures us that we will meet our first parents in Heaven. God Bless you

No Adam and Eve were not born again spiritually. Ever
Because THE SPIRIT has not been poured out because that CHRIST JESUS had not been glorified (john7:38 or 39)


The ACTUAL and TRUE LAST ADAM: CHRIST had to first come into the world in the flesh in order to lay down the flesh so as to recreate in HIMSELF a NEW CREATION reborn of HIS LIFE-GIVING SPIRIT

perishable became IMPERIAHABLE by and through and because of CHRIST's SEED (THE LAST ADAM')

Unless a grain of wheat die it abides alone

That's the SEED according to HIS LIKENESS