LDS BOOK OF MORMON FALSE HISTORY 2

[Peter1000]

The context is about loving your enemies. Not being a perfected/exalted man/god/diety.

Here we go again. Of course the sermon on the mount does preach to love your enemies, but at the end of the sermon, the text clearly says that we are to be perfect, even as our Father in heaven is perfect. A very simple straight forward statement.

But since you again do not believe what Jesus said, you are going to sidestep what he said and play like you didn't notice it, by focusing on another topic. You are very good at this, and you are persistant.

Besides Jesus did not say to be perfected/exalted man/god/diety as your Father in heaven is, he just said be perfect.

So again, do you believe as Jesus does that a person can be as perfect as God is perfect?

 

[Peter1000]

Lying for the lord again? You continue to spread false assertions and show your lack of Biblical understanding.

I certainly did not lie for the Lord. The biblical text is clear, your answer is contrary to the text. Read it again.

Jesus says one thing, you say another and they are opposite of each other.

You are doing the same thing for our discussion about being perfect as Jesus says to be.

So your way of reflecting from the topic to something else is ineffective. It just shows your lack of being able to read a scripture let alone interpret it correctly.

 

[Peter1000]

It doesn't say Paul thinks there are other gods in heaven---
5 For though there be that are CALLED gods,

Called gods---pagans believed in gods that dwelt on earth and some that dwelt in the heavens---it is not saying that these really are gods!

Look at what Paul says in the parenthesis. Tell me what he says.

 

[Peter1000]

Answers are quite obvious----since it is the foundations of the earth---before it was created---and obviously, the answer to the question of where Job was---he wasn't created yet so he wasn't around and didn't know a thing about it, that was the point!!
You can't even come close to th8nking that Job was around before the creation of the earth unless someone has told you such a thing!!! And that someone--is JS.

What is obvious is not so obvious. The text does not give the answer as to where he was. Maybe he didn't exist yet, or maybe he did, it simply does not say. So that point is a mute point from the text.

But now we know that God was talking to Job about creating the earth, so the event God is talking about was before the earth was finished. I agree.

So right in the middle of telling Job how he created the earth, God tells Job this interesting little piece of information:
Job 38:7
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

First, who were the morning stars, and who were the sons of God and secondly,
why were the morning stars singing together and why were the sons of God shouting for joy?

It is obvious that during the creation of the earth, there were living entities that existed with God. 'sons of God' indicate that those living entities were God's sons. Pure Mormonism.

It doesn't matter what your interpretation is, our interpretation is that these sons of God mentioned here are really the sons of God, and they were shouting for joy because they could see the earth being created and they were joyful for the opportunity to come to earth as a mortals and progress.

This is our interpretation and, they were spirit sons of God, and it has just as much weight as any other interpretation and with other scriptures that lend weight to our interrpetation it turns out to be as solid or more solid than others.

Bottom line. There were living entities with God the Father before the earth was created. These living entities were called the sons of God. These sons of God lived before the earth was created and we know why they were shouting for joy.

Living entities (sons of God) before the earth was created. Mormonism 101.

 

[BigDaddy4]

Here we go again.

Yes. Your misguided theology and reading into the text things that are not there is getting old.

 

[BigDaddy4]

I certainly did not lie for the Lord. The biblical text is clear, your answer is contrary to the text. Read it again.

Jesus says one thing, you say another and they are opposite of each other.

You are doing the same thing for our discussion about being perfect as Jesus says to be.

So your way of reflecting from the topic to something else is ineffective. It just shows your lack of being able to read a scripture let alone interpret it correctly.

The truth is not found in the words you type.

 

[mmksparbud]

Look at what Paul says in the parenthesis. Tell me what he says.[/QUOTE

1Co 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

Aga8in---it is plain---- Why do you ignore what comes before the parenthesis??? CALLLED gods!!! There were among the pagans many, many gods. You deny the obvious in favor of a fantasy.

Act 19:26 Moreover ye see and hear, that not alone at Ephesus, but almost throughout all Asia, this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands:
Gal 4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.

 

[fatboys]

In heaven. You forgot that

 

[mmksparbud]

In heaven. You forgot that

Didn't forget anything---these so called gods were supposed be in heaven and on earth---that is what the pagans believed.

 

[Peter1000]

mmksparbud,

Are you afraid to read what is in the parenthesis? You totally ignored my question????

 

[Peter1000]

The truth is not found in the words you type.

You are full of sidesteps and reflections. So you know that I tell the truth found in the bible, let me show you the text straight from the bible. Then I dare you to tell me 'the truth is not found in the bible'.

Here it is, please comment on this:
Matthew 5:48King James Version (KJV)
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Do you believe this truth from Jesus in the bible? Mormons do.

 

[Peter1000]

Yes. Your misguided theology and reading into the text things that are not there is getting old.

I am only asking you if you believe what the biblical text says, not some Mormon doctrine, biblical doctrine. You do believe in what the bible says, don't you. Or do you believe what the bible says as long as it agrees with your theology. Lets test it out.

Mormons believe that we can be as perfect as our Father in heaven is perfect.
Hence, we believe what the bible teaches in all of Matthew 5 and especially Matthew 5:48.

Most Christians DO NOT believe that a man can be as perfect as our Father in heaven is perfect. Hence, these people do not believe what the bible teaches, at least in Matthew 5:48. So you have a tendancy to pick and choose what scriptures you believe in. If it fits your theology, you cling to it to the bitter end, if it does not fit your theology, you ignore it and avoid it like the plague.

Not a very good way to apply the Word of God.

 

[BigDaddy4]

I am only asking you if you believe what the biblical text says, not some Mormon doctrine, biblical doctrine. You do believe in what the bible says, don't you. Or do you believe what the bible says as long as it agrees with your theology. Lets test it out.

Mormons believe that we can be as perfect as our Father in heaven is perfect.
Hence, we believe what the bible teaches in all of Matthew 5 and especially Matthew 5:48.

Most Christians DO NOT believe that a man can be as perfect as our Father in heaven is perfect. Hence, these people do not believe what the bible teaches, at least in Matthew 5:48. So you have a tendancy to pick and choose what scriptures you believe in. If it fits your theology, you cling to it to the bitter end, if it does not fit your theology, you ignore it and avoid it like the plague.

Not a very good way to apply the Word of God.

I do believe what the Bible says. That's why I do not believe what you say, because you insert your misguided mormon theology into it.

 

[fatboys]

I do believe what the Bible says. That's why I do not believe what you say, because you insert your misguided mormon theology into it.

And the same is said of you

 

[BigDaddy4]

And the same is said of you

I don't insert misguided mormon theology. Nice try!

 

[mmksparbud]

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Are you afraid to read what is in the parenthesis? You totally ignored my question????[/QUOTE]


I did not ignore your post nor the verse---I quoted it in post #287-- perhaps you did not hit the "click to expand"

 

[fatboys]

I don't insert misguided mormon theology. Nice try!

But you try and insert your non scriptural interpretations of the scriptures. As I have said before there are times when you can take the scriptures literal or figuratively. Christainity has misinterpreted and forced its interpretation on the world. You got it wrong. The Catholics got it wrong or you would still be Catholics. Don't you get it. In order to undo what man has done to the word of God there had to be a marvelous work and a wonder happen. God the father and his son Jesus Christ appeared to a young boy who wanted a answer to a question. Which church was right out of all the church's on earth. The son of God told him to join none of them but to wait and he would be a part a this wonderful restoration.

 

[dzheremi]

Point of order: the Christian Church wrote and canonized the scriptures.

Claiming "Christianity has misinterpreted and forced it interpretation on the world" makes no sense. It's like claiming that Islam somehow misinterpreted the Qur'an.

 

[Ironhold]

Point of order: the Christian Church wrote and canonized the scriptures.

Claiming "Christianity has misinterpreted and forced it interpretation on the world" makes no sense. It's like claiming that Islam somehow misinterpreted the Qur'an.

*insert radical Islam reference here*

 

[dzheremi]

What?

The point is that it doesn't make sense to claim those who wrote the particular scriptures (the Bible, the Qur'an, the whatever) to be forcing their interpretation on anyone. The Jews interpret the Jewish Bible in accordance with their Judaism, and the Christians the entire Bible in accordance with our Christianity, and the Muslims their Qur'an in accordance with their Islamic religion, and the Muslims their Book of Mormon in accordance with their Mormonism, and so forth.

If I were to say "You Mormons are forcing your Mormonism upon the Book of Mormon, thereby misinterpreting what it means", would it not be reasonable to protest that it was a book that was given to/written by/translated by Mormons, so that objection makes no sense whatsoever? Of course it would. Any other answer would imply that the claim has some merit which it very obviously does not have.