Catholics, what exactly do you believe about Mary?

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Matthew 16:15-19
15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”[a] 17 And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. 18 And I tell you, you are Peter,[b] and on this rock[c] I will build my church, and the powers of death[d] shall not prevail against it.[e] 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven,[f] and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

The Catholic Church shall not fall. It's doctrine is guided by the Holy Spirit.

It's doctrine regarding Our Blessed Mother is indeed true and guided by the Holy Spirit.
 
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Embrace the Catholic Church and see the truth. The truth that Jesus gave to the church.

Can you please post that Bible verse for me? 2nd Request.

John 14:6.................
"Jesus said unto them, I am the TRUTH THE WAY AND THE LIFE and no man comes to Father except by Me".
 
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Feel free at anytime to post the Bible verse that you would like to discuss. Shall we talk about what I got wrong and compare our thoughts?

And..........can you speak in any other tone except sarcasm?

It really does not become YOU as a Catholic to continue to be so sarcastic in your comments.
Second time:
What verse gives the list of books that belong in the Bible?
I'd be glad to help you if you are stuck.
 
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NO! God has given ALL believers the fruit of knowledge.

Can you please post the Scripture which you claim that knowledge was given to the "Catholic Church".

Lol, you ask for scripture repeatedly because when you close the Bible you think that that is it. No more Holy Spirit. No more revelations. No more guidance from God. No more truths. Etc etc.

Where was the 'Bible' before the CC put it together?

Where would you be today without that Bible?

What about all the teachings that were not written yet the Apostles heard?

Welcome to the CC. Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture. A continuos journey by the Holy Spirit, revealing God and all His glory down through time.
 
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Can you please post that Bible verse for me? 2nd Request.

John 14:6.................
"Jesus said unto them, I am the TRUTH THE WAY AND THE LIFE and no man comes to Father except by Me".

True. Jesus is the cornerstone of His church, the CC.
 
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Matthew 16:15-19
15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”[a] 17 And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. 18 And I tell you, you are Peter,[b] and on this rock[c] I will build my church, and the powers of death[d] shall not prevail against it.[e] 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven,[f] and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

The Catholic Church shall not fall. It's doctrine is guided by the Holy Spirit.

It's doctrine regarding Our Blessed Mother is indeed true and guided by the Holy Spirit.

Finally you post some Scripture. Good stuff my friend, but where in those verses do I find CATHOLIC CHURCH.

The church was not built on Peter. YOU read the verse for yourself and you will see that the church is founded upon WHAT PETER SAID.................."“You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."

The church is not a building. The church is made up of those who have accepted the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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Satan wants everyone to stay clear of the true church, the Catholic Church. He loves non-denoms!

It feels just like being in Catholic school again, what with all the fire and brimstone raining down on the non-Catholic heretics destined for hell.

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Lol, you ask for scripture repeatedly because when you close the Bible you think that that is it. No more Holy Spirit. No more revelations. No more guidance from God. No more truths. Etc etc.

Where was the 'Bible' before the CC put it together?

Where would you be today without that Bible?

What about all the teachings that were not written yet the Apostles heard?

Welcome to the CC. Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture. A continuos journey by the Holy Spirit, revealing God and all His glory down through time.

"Lol, you ask for scripture repeatedly because when you close the Bible you think that that is it. No more Holy Spirit. No more revelations. No more guidance from God. No more truths. Etc etc."

Do you believe it is proper to keep places words into my mouth??????

Will you please post where I said..........NO MORE HOLY SPIRIT> NO MORE REVELATIONS. NO MORE GUIDENCE FROM GOD. NO MORE TRUTHS.

I am calling your bluff and your arrogance and I am insisting that you post the comment # and what I said. This is about the 5th or 6th time you have exaggerated or out and out fabricated something and said I said it.

Now where is the comment?????
 
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You completly missed the point that was being made. Nothing was said about Martin Luther rescuing the Bible except what YOU just said.
The statement bbbb put in blue is historically inaccurate.
The inference is the Bible wasn't put on a pedestal until Luther came along, OR the Catholic Church didn't put the Bible on a pedestal at all.

I didn't miss anything.

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Finally you post some Scripture. Good stuff my friend, but where in those verses do I find CATHOLIC CHURCH.

The church was not built on Peter. YOU read the verse for yourself and you will see that the church is founded upon WHAT PETER SAID.................."“You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."

The church is not a building. The church is made up of those who have accepted the Lord Jesus Christ.

Lol, your interpretation again! :doh:

Jesus built His church upon Peter (Rock). Peter spoke the truth. You should know that Peter means Rock. Jesus was setting the scene for the beginnings of His church on earth. The Catholic Church.
 
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It feel just like being in Catholic school again, what with all the fire and brimstone raining down on the non-Catholic heretics destined for hell.

:hot:

It feel just like being in Catholic school again, what with all the fire and brimstone raining down on the Catholic heretics destined for hell.
 
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The statement bbbb put in blue is historically inaccurate.
The inference is the Bible wasn't put on a pedestal until Luther came along, OR the Catholic Church didn't put the Bible on a pedestal at all.

I didn't miss anything.

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Never mind.
 
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Lol, your interpretation again! :doh:

Jesus built His church upon Peter (Rock). Peter spoke the truth. You should know that Peter means Rock. Jesus was setting the scene for the beginnings of His church on earth. The Catholic Church.

Then where is the Bible verse that says that????????

And where is the comment # I asked you for when you once again placed words into my mouth??????
 
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"Lol, you ask for scripture repeatedly because when you close the Bible you think that that is it. No more Holy Spirit. No more revelations. No more guidance from God. No more truths. Etc etc."

Do you believe it is proper to keep places words into my mouth??????

Will you please post where I said..........NO MORE HOLY SPIRIT> NO MORE REVELATIONS. NO MORE GUIDENCE FROM GOD. NO MORE TRUTHS.

I am calling your bluff and your arrogance and I am insisting that you post the comment # and what I said. This is about the 5th or 6th time you have exaggerated or out and out fabricated something and said I said it.

Now where is the comment?????

Waw, you fail to see where u have made such comments?

If we believe u, once you close the Bible that's it. You have said yourself that all truth comes from the Bible. As a Catholic I say it comes from both Sacred Scripture AND Sacred Tradition!
 
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Finally you post some Scripture. Good stuff my friend, but where in those verses do I find CATHOLIC CHURCH.
Not in those verses, but elsewhere.
CATHOLIC means 'Universal', which in itself means, 'of or relating to, or affecting the entire world and ALL peoples therein'. It means, ALL encompassing, comprehensibly broad, general, and containing ALL that is necessary. In summation, it means ALL people in ALL places, having ALL that is necessary, and for ALL time.

in Matthew 28:19-20, "Go, therefore and make disciples of ALL nations...teaching them to observe ALL that I have commanded you; And behold, I am with you ALL days, even unto the consummation of the world."

That is a statement of Universality, Katholicos, Catholicus, Catholic.

.and you belong to that Church whose faith St. Paul describes as being "proclaimed (KATAnggeletai) in the whole universe (en HOLO to kosmo)” (Rom. 1:8)

Thus the word KATAHOLOS or Catholic in English originated from Scriptures - Romans 1:8

"So the church throughout all Judea and Galilee and Sama'ria had peace and was built up; and walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit it was multiplied." [Acts 9:31 RSV]

There the words "church throughout all" is translated from the Greek words "Ecclesia kata holis". Thus, kataholos, or Catholic in English, originated in Scripture: Romans 1:8 and Acts 9:31

But it was after Ignatius that the term Catholic Church became used more and more to designate the true church.
"Where the Bishop appears, there let the people be, just as where Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church."
St. Ignatius of Antioch's letter to the Smyrneans, paragraph 8, of 106 A.D.,
Undoubtedly the word was in use before the time of this writing. St. Ignatius was the third bishop of Antioch and thought to have been trained by St. John the Apostle. Keep in mind 106 AD is a mere 11 years after John wrote Revelation.

Other written records of the term "CATHOLIC" describing a character of the Christian Church:
Martyrdom of St. Polycarp 155AD;
Clement of Alexandria, Stromateis 202AD;
Cyprian, Unity of the Catholic Church 251AD;
Cyprian, Letter to Florentius, 254AD

"Christian is my name, and Catholic my surname. The one designates me, while the other makes me specific. Thus am I attested and set apart... When we are called Catholics it is by this appellation that our people are kept apart from any heretical name."
Saint Pacian of Barcelona, Letter to Sympronian, 375 A.D.

The church was not built on Peter. YOU read the verse for yourself and you will see that the church is founded upon WHAT PETER SAID.................."“You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."
That's true, Peter said that. But that is not why Jesus changed his name.

W.F. Albright (Protestant) and C.S. Mann
“[Peter] is not a name, but an appellation and a play on words. There is no evidence of Peter or Kephas as a name before Christian times….Peter as Rock will be the foundation of the future community. Jesus, not quoting the Old Testament, here uses Aramaic, not Hebrew, and so uses the only Aramaic word that would serve his purpose. In view of the background of v. 19…one must dismiss as confessional interpretation any attempt to see this rock as meaning the faith, or the messianic confession, of Peter. To deny the pre-eminent position of Peter among the disciples or in the early Christian community is a denial of the evidence…The interest in Peter’s failures and vacillations does not detract from this pre-eminence; rather, it emphasizes it. Had Peter been a lesser figure his behavior would have been of far less consequence.”
(The Anchor Bible; Matthew [Garden City, N.Y.: Doubleday & Co., 1971], 195)

Albert Barnes (Nineteenth-Century Presbyterian)
"The meaning of this phrase may be thus expressed: ‘Thou, in saying that I am the Son of God, hast called me by a name expressive of my true character. I, also, have given to thee a name expressive of your character. I have called you Peter, a rock. . . . I see that you are worthy of the name and will be a distinguished support of my religion"
[Barnes’ Notes on the New Testament, 170].

John Broadus (Nineteenth-Century Calvinistic Baptist)

"As Peter means rock, the natural interpretation is that ‘upon this rock’ means upon thee. . . . It is an even more far-fetched and harsh play upon words if we understand the rock to be Christ and a very feeble and almost unmeaning play upon words if the rock is Peter’s confession"
[Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew, 356].

Craig L. Blomberg (Baptist)

"The expression ‘this rock’ almost certainly refers to Peter, following immediately after his name, just as the words following ‘the Christ’ in verse 16 applied to Jesus. The play on words in the Greek between Peter’s name (Petros) and the word ‘rock’ (petra) makes sense only if Peter is the Rock and if Jesus is about to explain the significance of this identification" [New American Commentary: Matthew, 22:252].


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Post 983 has the verse but of course, you have your own interpretation of that verse! :doh:

NO IT DOES NOT. Did you read the verse? There is not one mention of "Catholic church".
 
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Not in those verses, but elsewhere.
CATHOLIC means 'Universal', which in itself means, 'of or relating to, or affecting the entire world and ALL peoples therein'. It means, ALL encompassing, comprehensibly broad, general, and containing ALL that is necessary. In summation, it means ALL people in ALL places, having ALL that is necessary, and for ALL time.

in Matthew 28:19-20, "Go, therefore and make disciples of ALL nations...teaching them to observe ALL that I have commanded you; And behold, I am with you ALL days, even unto the consummation of the world."

That is a statement of Universality, Katholicos, Catholicus, Catholic.

.and you belong to that Church whose faith St. Paul describes as being "proclaimed (KATAnggeletai) in the whole universe (en HOLO to kosmo)” (Rom. 1:8)

Thus the word KATAHOLOS or Catholic in English originated from Scriptures - Romans 1:8

"So the church throughout all Judea and Galilee and Sama'ria had peace and was built up; and walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit it was multiplied." [Acts 9:31 RSV]

There the words "church throughout all" is translated from the Greek words "Ecclesia kata holis". Thus, kataholos, or Catholic in English, originated in Scripture: Romans 1:8 and Acts 9:31

But it was after Ignatius that the term Catholic Church became used more and more to designate the true church.
"Where the Bishop appears, there let the people be, just as where Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church."
St. Ignatius of Antioch's letter to the Smyrneans, paragraph 8, of 106 A.D.,
Undoubtedly the word was in use before the time of this writing. St. Ignatius was the third bishop of Antioch and thought to have been trained by St. John the Apostle. Keep in mind 106 AD is a mere 11 years after John wrote Revelation.

Other written records of the term "CATHOLIC" describing a character of the Christian Church:
Martyrdom of St. Polycarp 155AD;
Clement of Alexandria, Stromateis 202AD;
Cyprian, Unity of the Catholic Church 251AD;
Cyprian, Letter to Florentius, 254AD

"Christian is my name, and Catholic my surname. The one designates me, while the other makes me specific. Thus am I attested and set apart... When we are called Catholics it is by this appellation that our people are kept apart from any heretical name."
Saint Pacian of Barcelona, Letter to Sympronian, 375 A.D.

That's true, Peter said that. But that is not why Jesus changed his name.

W.F. Albright (Protestant) and C.S. Mann
“[Peter] is not a name, but an appellation and a play on words. There is no evidence of Peter or Kephas as a name before Christian times….Peter as Rock will be the foundation of the future community. Jesus, not quoting the Old Testament, here uses Aramaic, not Hebrew, and so uses the only Aramaic word that would serve his purpose. In view of the background of v. 19…one must dismiss as confessional interpretation any attempt to see this rock as meaning the faith, or the messianic confession, of Peter. To deny the pre-eminent position of Peter among the disciples or in the early Christian community is a denial of the evidence…The interest in Peter’s failures and vacillations does not detract from this pre-eminence; rather, it emphasizes it. Had Peter been a lesser figure his behavior would have been of far less consequence.”
(The Anchor Bible; Matthew [Garden City, N.Y.: Doubleday & Co., 1971], 195)

Albert Barnes (Nineteenth-Century Presbyterian)
"The meaning of this phrase may be thus expressed: ‘Thou, in saying that I am the Son of God, hast called me by a name expressive of my true character. I, also, have given to thee a name expressive of your character. I have called you Peter, a rock. . . . I see that you are worthy of the name and will be a distinguished support of my religion"
[Barnes’ Notes on the New Testament, 170].

John Broadus (Nineteenth-Century Calvinistic Baptist)

"As Peter means rock, the natural interpretation is that ‘upon this rock’ means upon thee. . . . It is an even more far-fetched and harsh play upon words if we understand the rock to be Christ and a very feeble and almost unmeaning play upon words if the rock is Peter’s confession"
[Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew, 356].

Craig L. Blomberg (Baptist)

"The expression ‘this rock’ almost certainly refers to Peter, following immediately after his name, just as the words following ‘the Christ’ in verse 16 applied to Jesus. The play on words in the Greek between Peter’s name (Petros) and the word ‘rock’ (petra) makes sense only if Peter is the Rock and if Jesus is about to explain the significance of this identification" [New American Commentary: Matthew, 22:252].


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That is a lot of coping and pasting to prove one thing. There are NO BIBLE verses to support what is being said. There is a lot of Catholic tradition but NO Bible verses!

The problem with SOLA SCRIPTURA is that when we point out the verses that prove sola Scriptura is taught in scripture, they don't believe they can understand the Bible without their church interpreting it for them... and they say sola Scriptura is not taught in the Bible.

Jesus made over 100 references to scripture. Jesus never relied upon oral traditions but scripture alone.

1 Corth. 4:6.........
"Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos for your sakes, so that in us you may learn not to exceed what is written, so that no one of you will become arrogant in behalf of one against the other. "

Romans 15:4........
"For whatever was written in earlier times was written for our instruction, so that through perseverance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope."
 
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Waw, you fail to see where u have made such comments?

If we believe u, once you close the Bible that's it. You have said yourself that all truth comes from the Bible. As a Catholic I say it comes from both Sacred Scripture AND Sacred Tradition!

There, you just did it again.............
"If we believe u, once you close the Bible that's it."

WHERE DID I SAY THAT?????

My dear friend it was Jesus Christ who said.....
John 17:17"
"Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth.".

I am asking you for the 3rd time to specify your comment of WHAT I SAID. What I actually said. NOT what you think or what you interpret but what is the comment # where I said those things?????????

Now are you going to post those comment numbers or not?????????
 
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