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" for every Star that we see is a world and is inhabited the same as this world is peopled…..There was & is a first man Adam and also a Saviour in the Meredien of times, the same computing times and all things in order...."

The theory is that across the universe there are many planets all going through the same saving process we are, each one needs a savior.

Joseph Smith said that “God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth the same as Jesus Christ himself did” So this mean that at one time God the Father was an eternal spirit like Jesus/Yahweh was. He played the role of a Messiah just as Jesus did, he died on a cross and took on the sins of his brothers and sisters on his planet. Three days later he rose from the grave just as Jesus did a fully resurrected immortal man.

No, that means God the Father used to be a sinner just like you and I ("God is an exalted man of flesh and bone") on another planet and that if we work as hard as He did, we will become Gods and have celestial sex and rule over our own planet. Where is that in the bible again? Im sorry, God the Father has never died.

“Before the mountains were born or you brought forth the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God”
Everlasting to everlasting, that means eternity, He didnt die.

"I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me." not, yeah there are a couple billion other Gods out in space just like me, and i died once.

Everything that i didnt quote of you is eisegesis.
 
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John 5:19, 30 -

19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

If this is what they base the Father dying on, then it's just another example of taking scripture too far, rather than the intended meaning of the Author, who said/wrote it for our instruction. We need to just let the Author of the word open the word to us by His Spirit, rather than we go looking for meanings that aren't there.
 
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"I wish I was in a suitable place to tell it, and that I had the trump of an archangel, so that I could tell the story in such a manner that persecution would cease forever. What did Jesus say? (Mark it, Elder Rigdon!) The scriptures inform us that Jesus said, as the Father hath power in himself, even so hath the Son power—to do what? Why, what the Father did. The answer is obvious—in a manner to lay down his body and take it up again. Jesus, what are you going to do? To lay down my life as my Father did, and take it up again. Do you believe it? If you do not believe it you do not believe the Bible. The scriptures say it, and I defy all the learning and wisdom and all the combined powers of earth and hell together to refute it."
Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith, c. 1976, p. 346

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Joseph Smith wrote fiction and called is holy scripture. No one need fear him. Nor need any obey him.
 
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"I wish I was in a suitable place to tell it, and that I had the trump of an archangel, so that I could tell the story in such a manner that persecution would cease forever. What did Jesus say? (Mark it, Elder Rigdon!) The scriptures inform us that Jesus said, as the Father hath power in himself, even so hath the Son power—to do what? Why, what the Father did. The answer is obvious—in a manner to lay down his body and take it up again. Jesus, what are you going to do? To lay down my life as my Father did, and take it up again. Do you believe it? If you do not believe it you do not believe the Bible. The scriptures say it, and I defy all the learning and wisdom and all the combined powers of earth and hell together to refute it."
Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith, c. 1976, p. 346

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I'm truly heart-felt sorry for those who are caught in webs of deception and false loyalties to men of renown and erring organizations. They really are webs and serpentine twists and turns, like there is too much to unravel.......a labyrinth where how does one possibly find their way back to the beginning to get out of the thing......impossible for man, but thankfully not impossible with God.

In the end though, we will all be held accountable for what we believe, and God is a righteous judge, not unrighteous. Do we simply believe Him and allow Him to open His word to us, or is He not enough that our pride and flesh have to be fed and puffed up and titillated by craving and looking for more.............the same temptation in the Garden of Eden, as well as the wilderness trek of the Israelites craving meat so God let them have it till it was coming out their nostrils. But manna is the food of angels.....it only feeds our spirits not our flesh and egos, which is on purpose to let our flesh and egos starve to death while our inner man gets only stronger.

What the Father was doing at the crucifixion....was giving His only begotten Son to be sacrificed, isn't that right? So Jesus obeyed Him, He did what the Father was doing. Just like all the other things the Father was doing for the first time, that He hadn't done before, healing this person, delivering that one, speaking this word or that, etc, which Jesus followed and obeyed during His ministry. It's simple.......it's not hard to grasp.......if we become as little children and be at rest (obedience) letting the Father feed us what HE wills, instead of foraging around in the Garden for what doesn't profit.

Where so many deceptions seem to begin is with the mind.........curiosity.........instead of being led by the Spirit we get led by the mind.....seducing spirits involved as well.....sorcery to draw you in like Simon the Sorcerer so yes, it's real. And it starts out small, most start out sincere I wouldn't doubt, not knowing where it leads to at the top, which they don't tell you what is up there while you get gradually groomed and acclimatized to the atmosphere and lies, climbing higher and higher up the Tower of Babel. This seems to be a pattern of many deceptions and groups. Stroking your ego/pride while they're at it, until they only let the "special" chosen ones in on their best and highest (ie, most evil) secrets at the top, which you probably would have been shocked and rejected them if you knew what they were right at the beginning.

Well we will just watch and see if it all leads to the same lie.........believing that they are Christs. The very first warning that Jesus faithfully and truthfully gave us concerning the end times, and which agrees with the lie at the Tree of Knowledge in the beginning, ye shall be as gods. So........let us just watch for it.

Thank you OP, for turning over the rock, and we pray that some are helped.
 
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No, that means God the Father used to be a sinner just like you and I ("God is an exalted man of flesh and bone") on another planet and that if we work as hard as He did, we will become Gods and have celestial sex and rule over our own planet. Where is that in the bible again? Im sorry, God the Father has never died.

“Before the mountains were born or you brought forth the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God”
Everlasting to everlasting, that means eternity, He didnt die.

"I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me." not, yeah there are a couple billion other Gods out in space just like me, and i died once.

Everything that i didnt quote of you is eisegesis.

No it says He was like Jesus the only sinless man unless you think Jesus sinned?

Why is it Evangelicals only use one line out of the scriptures instead of whole passages, don you read the whole Bible? I'm going to add in some words from Strong's Bible Concordance.

1 Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations. (revolution of time)
2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.
3 Thou turnest man to destruction (dust); and sayest, Return, ye children of men (Adam).

This is saying before the earth was formed we dwelt with Yahweh, we now as children of Adam die our bodies turn to dust and he calls us home.

If there is only one God then why is it Moses says in Deut 10

"For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God..."

or why does it say in Ps 82

God standeth in the congregation of the El; he judgeth among the gods. ....Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Who are the sons of God who present themselves to Yahweh in Job 1 or sing at the foundation of the along with the two morning stars (Jesus and Lucifer, which means morning star) in Job 38

or in Ps 89

5 And the heavens shall praise thy wonders, O Lord/Yahweh: thy faithfulness also in the congregation of the saints/ Holy Ones.
6 For who in the heaven can be compared unto the Lord? who among the sons of El can be likened unto the Lord?
7 God is greatly to be feared in the assembly of the saints/Holy Ones, and to be had in reverence of all them that are about him.
8 O Lord God of hosts, who is a strong Lord like unto thee? or to thy faithfulness round about thee?

To whom is Yahweh pleading to in Isa 43 or why does he say El created and planned the earth in Isa 45, why does Yahweh need to "beseech God/El" in Mal 1??????
 
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We’ve gone over this several times here but you seem to be knew so we’ll do it once again. Joseph was actually giving a speech at a funeral for a man name King Follet (I know odd name). He his intent was that if we know the true nature of God and our relationship to him it helps us accept death more easily. After some opening words he says;

“…First, God himself, who sits enthroned in yonder heaven, is a man like one of you. That is the great secret. If the veil were rent today and you were to see the great God who holds this world in its orbit and upholds all things by his power, you would see him in the image and very form of a man; for Adam was created in the very fashion and image of God. He received instruction from and walked, talked, and conversed with him as one man talks and communes with another…..(see Gen 1:26)

But it is the simple and first principle of the gospel-to know for a certainty the character of God, that we may converse with him as one man with another. God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth the same as Jesus Christ himself did, and I will show it from the Bible.

…..What did Jesus say? (Mark it, elder Rigdon!) Jesus said, "As the Father hath power in himself, even so hath the Son power." To do what? Why, what the Father did. The answer is obvious--in a manner to lay down his body and take it up again. Jesus, what are you going to do? To lay down my life as my Father did, and take it up again. If you do not believe it, you do not believe the Bible.”

Joseph was referring to John 5 I’ll start with verse 17
….Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

This passage shows the Hebrew concept of being an agent. The son can be the agent of his father and in so doing he becomes equal to the father, his word is the same as his father’s. In this case they realized Jesus was calling himself the Son of God and so making him equal to God.

But Jesus stops them and says

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth…”

In other words no I’m not equal to the Father I can only do what he has shown me. He did say in John 14 “for my Father is greater than I.”

Joseph’s understood this to mean that somehow God the Father showed Jesus what he himself had done. Not hard thing to do if you command passed, present and future. Jesus was walking in the same steps of his Father before him.

“ For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. …Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself…”

In other words again; I’m going to die and bring about an atonement and resurrection thus being able to call mankind forth from the grave as my Father had done before me.

Now let’s go back to that quote from Hyrum Smith

“ for every Star that we see is a world and is inhabited the same as this world is peopled…..There was & is a first man Adam and also a Saviour in the Meredien of times, the same computing times and all things in order...."

The theory is that across the universe there are many planets all going through the same saving process we are, each one needs a savior.

Joseph Smith said that “God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth the same as Jesus Christ himself did” So this mean that at one time God the Father was an eternal spirit like Jesus/Yahweh was. He played the role of a Messiah just as Jesus did, he died on a cross and took on the sins of his brothers and sisters on his planet. Three days later he rose from the grave just as Jesus did a fully resurrected immortal man.

“For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself..”
What did Jesus say? (Mark it, elder Rigdon!) Jesus said, "As the Father hath power in himself, even so hath the Son power." To do what? Why, what the Father did. The answer is obvious--in a manner to lay down his body and take it up again. Jesus, what are you going to do? To lay down my life as my Father did, and take it up again.
Nowhere in the bible does it say God laid down his life, Jesus laid down his life and so do those who follow Jesus.
 
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Nowhere in the bible does it say God laid down his life, Jesus laid down his life and so do those who follow Jesus.

Then what was Jesus talking about in John 5
"Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: ... For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.....
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;..."

He can't do anything he hasn't seen his Father do, as the Father has life in himself so does the Son

In John 10 He says
"Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again..."

What does that mean to you?
 
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edit - found it.

John 5:19, 30 -

19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

What the Son "saw" and "learned" from the eternal Father was divine Charity - complete and perfect love - Self-donation - Self-Gift - sometimes referred to in Catholic theology as the Greek word kenosis, "Self-emptying" for love. This eternal and divine kenosis is the eternal love of the Triune God: mutual Self-Gift among the divine Persons in the Trinity.

In the Incarnation, Jesus did, as man in time, what God the Spiritual Trinity does in eternity. Jesus gave Himself completely, for the sake of holy and perfect love. As man, this called Jesus to give His very (human) life. He experienced "death" - for the sake of love, He emptied Himself of His human soul to God, leaving His body dead, without life.

Jesus as the God-man could do this, having a human body and soul He could "die" as a man. God the Father has never become man, and thus can not "die" as His Incarnate Son could. But as the Father empties Himself in love of the Son in eternity, in divine love, Jesus - once Incarnate - could do His Self-emptying as a man: He could die. And He did, He emptied Himself of His very life, on the Cross. In imitation of the divine Love - the divine Self-donation of the Father - which He experienced in the Holy Trinity in all eternity, He showed us divine love in His Gift of His All, on the Cross.
 
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No, that means God the Father used to be a sinner just like you and I ("God is an exalted man of flesh and bone") on another planet and that if we work as hard as He did, we will become Gods and have celestial sex and rule over our own planet. Where is that in the bible again? Im sorry, God the Father has never died.

“Before the mountains were born or you brought forth the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God”
Everlasting to everlasting, that means eternity, He didnt die.

"I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me." not, yeah there are a couple billion other Gods out in space just like me, and i died once.

Everything that i didnt quote of you is eisegesis.
Yanni Depp, I respect that you feel LDS beliefs are false. However, it seems to me that you seem to be misunderstanding what LDS beliefs are. Would you like to have a more accurate picture of what LDS beliefs are?
I'm not saying anything about agreeing with LDS beliefs, just having an accurate picture of what those beliefs are.
 
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If this is what they base the Father dying on, then it's just another example of taking scripture too far,

*But in the Trinity concept God the Father and Jesus are one God and Jesus died.....?

* Only his body went into the tomb his eternal spirit went into paradise and then taught the spirits held in the spirit prison. It's not dead as if he stopped existing.

*It doesn't make Jesus any less God because he died does it?

Heb 2
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

Phi 2, some Strong's here
6 Who, being in the form (like a child reflects his parents) of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

Having gone through the suffering, death and resurrection it made him perfect.

Heb 1
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

It wasn't until he fulfilled his mission that He became equal.
 
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No it says He was like Jesus the only sinless man unless you think Jesus sinned?

Why is it Evangelicals only use one line out of the scriptures instead of whole passages, don you read the whole Bible? I'm going to add in some words from Strong's Bible Concordance.

1 Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations. (revolution of time)
2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.
3 Thou turnest man to destruction (dust); and sayest, Return, ye children of men (Adam).

This is saying before the earth was formed we dwelt with Yahweh, we now as children of Adam die our bodies turn to dust and he calls us home.

If there is only one God then why is it Moses says in Deut 10

"For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God..."

or why does it say in Ps 82

God standeth in the congregation of the El; he judgeth among the gods. ....Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Who are the sons of God who present themselves to Yahweh in Job 1 or sing at the foundation of the along with the two morning stars (Jesus and Lucifer, which means morning star) in Job 38

or in Ps 89

5 And the heavens shall praise thy wonders, O Lord/Yahweh: thy faithfulness also in the congregation of the saints/ Holy Ones.
6 For who in the heaven can be compared unto the Lord? who among the sons of El can be likened unto the Lord?
7 God is greatly to be feared in the assembly of the saints/Holy Ones, and to be had in reverence of all them that are about him.
8 O Lord God of hosts, who is a strong Lord like unto thee? or to thy faithfulness round about thee?

To whom is Yahweh pleading to in Isa 43 or why does he say El created and planned the earth in Isa 45, why does Yahweh need to "beseech God/El" in Mal 1??????

It doesn't bother you that all these things read like pages out of new age...? Or that it's the same old lie in the Garden, ye shall be as gods...? Wow, it's showing up everywhere now, we could say it's coming out of the closet. Whereas sons of god, and gods is simply a reference to angels......and where Jesus says we shall be like the angels too.......but woe to us if we take it any further than that. Doesn't the flesh and ego love it though. Better not forget the rest of the passage that says ye shall be gods, yet ye shall die like mere men......the Lord mocking the lies of the enemy.
 
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What the Son "saw" and "learned" from the eternal Father was divine Charity - complete and perfect love - Self-donation - Self-Gift - sometimes referred to in Catholic theology as the Greek word kenosis, "Self-emptying" for love. This eternal and divine kenosis is the eternal love of the Triune God: mutual Self-Gift among the divine Persons in the Trinity.

In the Incarnation, Jesus did, as man in time, what God the Spiritual Trinity does in eternity. Jesus gave Himself completely, for the sake of holy and perfect love. As man, this called Jesus to give His very (human) life. He experienced "death" - for the sake of love, He emptied Himself of His human soul to God, leaving His body dead, without life.

Jesus as the God-man could do this, having a human body and soul He could "die" as a man. God the Father has never become man, and thus can not "die" as His Incarnate Son could. But as the Father empties Himself in love of the Son in eternity, in divine love, Jesus - once Incarnate - could do His Self-emptying as a man: He could die. And He did, He emptied Himself of His very life, on the Cross. In imitation of the divine Love - the divine Self-donation of the Father - which He experienced in the Holy Trinity in all eternity, He showed us divine love in His Gift of His All, on the Cross.


Do you understand that is wrapped up in a lot of fancy wrapping paper but does not actually have anything to do with the Bible. It doesn't say the only thing he learned was love and divine charity, Jesus says "The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." Jesus can't or won't do one thing different than what is Father has done.
 
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Do you understand that is wrapped up in a lot of fancy wrapping paper but does not actually have anything to do with the Bible. It doesn't say the only thing he learned was love and divine charity, Jesus says "The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." Jesus can't or won't do one thing different than what is Father has done.

The Holy Spirit, promised by Jesus to His Church, DOES what Jesus promised:

Jn 16:12 "I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.
Jn 16:13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
Jn 16:14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
 
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It doesn't bother you that all these things read like pages out of new age...? Or that it's the same old lie in the Garden, ye shall be as gods...? Wow, it's showing up everywhere now, we could say it's coming out of the closet. Whereas sons of god, and gods is simply a reference to angels......and where Jesus says we shall be like the angels too.......but woe to us if we take it any further than that. Doesn't the flesh and ego love it though. Better not forget the rest of the passage that says ye shall be gods, yet ye shall die like mere men......the Lord mocking the lies of the enemy.
HeLeadethMe, I'm going to say the same thing I said to Yanni earlier--

I respect that you feel LDS beliefs are false. However, it seems to me that you seem to be misunderstanding what LDS beliefs are. Would you like to have a more accurate picture of what LDS beliefs are?
I'm not saying anything about agreeing with LDS beliefs, just having an accurate picture of what those beliefs are.
 
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We’ve gone over this several times here but you seem to be knew so we’ll do it once again. Joseph was actually giving a speech at a funeral for a man name King Follet (I know odd name). He his intent was that if we know the true nature of God and our relationship to him it helps us accept death more easily...

A SERMON is a SERMON.
The King Follett Sermon:
The King Follett Sermon - Ensign Apr. 1971 - ensign

He prayed for truth and asked the congregation to also pray. Who told Joseph Smith what to say?

J. Smith said Heavenly Father Died
 
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HeLeadethMe, I'm going to say the same thing I said to Yanni earlier--

I respect that you feel LDS beliefs are false. However, it seems to me that you seem to be misunderstanding what LDS beliefs are. Would you like to have a more accurate picture of what LDS beliefs are?
I'm not saying anything about agreeing with LDS beliefs, just having an accurate picture of what those beliefs are.
I have yet to see consistancy in "what LDS beliefs are". No consistency, no accuracy. No accuracy, no picture.
 
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No it says He was like Jesus the only sinless man unless you think Jesus sinned?
Question loaded with blasphemy

Your completely ignoring everything in my reply. You should address it.

To answer your own questions, you should study the Trinity. I dont know why it isnt clear to people that mormonism is so backwards from Biblical Christianity that its like night and day, its astounding.

There are no other actual gods in the OT or the universe. If there were, why would God say that He alone is God Isaiah 45:5, that there was no God formed before Him Isaiah 43:10, and that He doesn't even KNOW of any other gods Isaiah 44:8?
Deut. 4:35, "To you it was shown that you might know that the Lord, He is God; there is no other besides Him." 1 Sam. 2:2, "There is no one holy like the Lord, Indeed, there is no one besides Thee, Nor is there any rock like our God."

The Bible acknowledges those that are CALLED gods 1 Cor 8:5 but they are not, by nature, gods at all Gal 4:8.

Capital G and little g, know the difference and check out the Trinity.
 
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I have yet to see consistancy in "what LDS beliefs are". No consistency, no accuracy. No accuracy, no picture.

Consistency does not seem to be their strong point. Again, I'd like to know how this theology is supposed to work wherein the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three separate gods and yet Mormons are not Patripassionists if they now say that the Son can only do those things that He has explicitly seen the Father do/those things which the Father has done before Him. Was Christ not crucified on the cross in Mormonism? Did he not die then and resurrect three days later, according to the scriptures? Then these things must've also happened to the Father at some point if posts like #6 (written by a Mormon) are accurate: Actually, what he's saying is "Jesus knew what to do because Heavenly Father himself had done it before some time in the past, and so they both understood what was going on."

So there ya go. God the Father died on the cross, but they're not Patripassionists (somehow). and they'll argue that this is misunderstanding or misrepresentation of Mormon theology (or the other favorite: "that's not doctrine!"), even as they confirm that this is what their theology says, as in the above quote from post #6. (So I don't know what the problem is/why every post from them hasn't just come out and said "Yes, OP, that is what we believe.")

You are right: there's no consistency whatsoever. It's like they haven't even thought through the implications of their own theology before just saying whatever seems to be the case to them because look at this Bible verse and look at that one and look at this one. Nothing has to fit together and you don't actually have to be able to answer questions about how it does -- just throw Bible verses at it until it goes away! :doh:If that doesn't work, accuse the people you're talking with of being against the Bible (just like Joseph Smith does in the quote in the OP) because they don't share your Mormon eisegesis of it, despite the fact that such a reading is so ludicrous and obviously wrong on its face that nobody else does or ever has shared it (except for Muslims, actually; I'm not going to link to an example because I am loathe to spread Islamic propaganda under any circumstances, but there are various Muslim apologetic works against Christianity dating back many centuries which think themselves mighty clever for asking the question "Where was God for the three days that Jesus, who you say is God, was dead after the crucifixion?" Granted, this only 'works' to the extent that it ever has because at least the Muslims know that Christians do not believe that Christ's death means that God the Father died, and are thereby meaning to trap us in some kind of logical puzzle; if we ever had believed that, then there'd be no reason to ask that question), and despite the fact that obviously as non-Mormons, we cannot be expected to read the Bible as they do.

This is one of those things, like everything else, where Mormon attempts to educate Christians regarding Mormon beliefs would be made much easier if Mormons would just admit that their religion is not meant to be a type of Christianity in the first place, but a replacement religion. Then they could believe in all kinds of wacky stuff about God and the Bible (again, like their spiritual forefathers the Muslims do) and it wouldn't matter, because the Christian God and the Holy Bible are not even what they're trying to follow. They've got their own thing that bears some relation to both or invokes both when advantageous to them, but is ultimately its own distinct thing.

Alas, there are too many converts to be made by claiming otherwise.
 
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