Pretribbers, which pretrib "details" have proven true?

[Yahchristian]

No, but, now that you mention that very tame piece of work, it has more detail than what you are teaching here.

Pretribbers, which pretrib "details" have proven true?

Could you please post some examples.


P.S.

During the many years that I have been studying this, here are a couple pretribber "details" that were proven FALSE...


Between 1981 and 1986, when the European Union (EU) had exactly 10 member states, the pretribbers were saying... The EU has 10 member states ("ten horns"), the president/king of the next country to join will be the "little horn". He will take over 3 of the other member states leaving 8 member states. Etc etc.

But what actually happened was... 2 nations joined at the same time, so the EU went from having 10 members to 12 members without ever having just 11 members. And then more joined, so there are currently 28 member states. So that pretribber "detail" was a major FAIL.


Since that prediction failed, Pretribbers bailed on the EU and switched to focus on the Western European Union (WEU).


Between 1995 and 2011, when the WEU had exactly 10 member states, the Pretribbers were saying... The WEU has 10 member states ("ten horns"), the president/king of the next country to join will be the "little horn". He will take over 3 of the other member states leaving 8 member states. Etc etc.

But what actually happened was... No more nations joined, and in 2011 the WEU was officially declared defunct (ceased to exist). Another pretribber "detail" that was a major FAIL.


So Pretribbers, which pretrib "details" have proven true?

 

[LastSeven]

 

[Saucy]

Israel became a nation.

 

[Yahchristian]

Israel became a nation.

Can you post a link where a Pretribber predicted that before it happened?

 

[Saucy]

Can you post a link where a Pretribber predicted that before it happened?

Why would that matter? Why do I have the feeling that no matter what anyone posts in here, it will be explained away with semantics?

 

[Yahchristian]

Why would that matter? Why do I have the feeling that no matter what anyone posts in here, it will be explained away with semantics?

I am simply asking for someone to post a pretrib "detail" that proved to be true.

Since they have made so many detailed predictions in movies and books, surely there are a bunch of them. Right?


P.S.

Israel becoming a nation was not a pretribber "detail". That was a common view among Christians.

 

[Saucy]

Well, it was predicted that Israel would become a nation again and 'that generation won't pass away' before Christ returns. That generation is now in their 70s and 80s. I don't know why they keep making predictions. I'm a pre-tribber, but I never believe any dates

 

[LastSeven]

I remember being told that a Biblical generation is 40 years so therefore Christ would return by 1988 at the latest.

 

[Yahchristian]

Well, it was predicted that Israel would become a nation again and 'that generation won't pass away' before Christ returns. That generation is now in their 70s and 80s. I don't know why they keep making predictions. I'm a pre-tribber, but I never believe any dates

During the 1970's and early 1980's, many Pretribbers were saying that the Rapture would occur in 1981 or 1988, which equals 1948 (the founding of Israel) plus 40 (which represents a generation) and optionally subtract 7 (the length of the Tribulation).

That didn't pan out, so...

During the 1990's and early 2000's, the Pretribbers started saying that the Rapture would occur in 2000 or 2007, which equals 1967 (when Israel retakes Jerusalem) plus 40 (which represents a generation) and optionally subtract 7 (the length of the Tribulation).

That didn't pan out, so the Pretribbers have to modify their "details" once again.

 

[LastSeven]

Having lived through all those failed predictions, growing up a pre-trib household, it's very easy for people to therefore claim that it's all lies and fall away from the faith altogether. I didn't of course fall away, but I can totally understand why people would.

 

[SeventyOne]

I don't know of any prophecies, other than those relating to the rapture itself, which are exclusively in the 'pre-trib' realm.

 

[Yahchristian]

Having lived through all those failed predictions, growing up a pre-trib household, it's very easy for people to therefore claim that it's all lies and fall away from the faith altogether. I didn't of course fall away, but I can totally understand why people would.

I wish they would hold on to the prophecies and wait to see how they are fulfilled as opposed to predicting how they will be fulfilled.

The truth is, we won't know the "details" before they occur.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

I wish they would hold on to the prophecies and wait to see how they are fulfilled as opposed to predicting how they are fulfilled.

The truth is, we won't know the "details" before they occur.

About the only thing we can know with some accuracy are the signs of the times...

 

[Yahchristian]

I don't know of any prophecies, other than those relating to the rapture itself, which are exclusively in the 'pre-trib' realm.

Concerning the two prediction FAILS that I mention in the OP...

I read many books and watched many TV shows where Pretribbers predicted the Rapture in 1981, 1988, 2000, and 2007. And I heard pretribber "details" like why the mark on Gorbachev's forehead proved he would become the Antichrist. Etc etc.

Are you aware of others doing the same thing?


P.S.

In the big picture, all Futurist views are very similar (see chart below), and they all might make the same kinds of predictions. But the Pretribbers were definitely more vocal.

(I made that chart back when the EU had 15 member states. It currently has 28.)

 

[SeventyOne]

Concerning the two prediction FAILS that I mention in the OP...

I read many books and watched many TV shows where Pretribbers predicted the Rapture in 1981, 1988, 2000, 2007.

Are you aware of others doing the same thing?


P.S.

In the big picture, all Futurist views are very similar (see chart below), and they all might make the same kinds of predictions. But the Pretribbers were definitely more vocal.

I made that chart back when the EU had 15 member states. It currently has 28.

Oh, I thought you meant biblical predictions. People could be guessing every day of every week, and it wouldn't have any effect on the pretribulational position. In fact, if I were the devil, I'd likely do the exact same thing to try to discredit it.

 

[Yahchristian]

Oh, I thought you meant biblical predictions. People could be guessing every day of every week, and it wouldn't have any effect on the pretribulational position. In fact, if I were the devil, I'd likely do the exact same thing to try to discredit it.

I am talking about where a pretribber takes a symbolic prophecy and creates the "details" before it occurs.

 

[SeventyOne]

I am talking about where a pretribber takes a symbolic prophecy and creates the "details" before it occurs.

At least such a person is looking for the Lord's return.

 

[Yahchristian]

At least such a person is looking for the Lord's return.

I am waiting for the Lord's return as well.

But when we fabricate "details", and they prove to be false, many non-believers will have less reasons to believe us when we tell them the truth of the gospel.

 

[SeventyOne]

I am waiting for the Lord's return as well.

But when we fabricate "details", and they prove to be false, many non-believers will have less reasons to believe us when we tell them the truth of the gospel.

Not less reasons. The reasons always remain. Rather, just more excuses.

And I didn't say 'waiting', I said 'looking'. Different.

 

[DennisTate]

I personally did not even believe in a Rapture at all until I read the near death experience account of Dr. Richard Eby.

He made it sound logical to me.

Dr. Richard Eby:



He paused as though the joy of that thought had overwhelmed him for the moment.

"My Father assures me that the time is yet a little while, but very little. Soon he will call those already in paradise to surround me as we descend from this third heaven to the first heaven around the Earth. The souls of all my saints will be instantly clothed in their new resurrection bodies, as will the living saints on Earth who rise to us in the glory cloud! At the sounding trumpet they all receive new bodies and rise to meet us in the air. We return as my body to my throne room with the Father. Now do you understand why I called this place a temporary abiding place? Do you grasp what it will mean to be one with me and the Father in your incorruptible bodies? My book states that I assumed mankind's sin so you "might be made the righteousness of God' in me!"

I can clearly recall how Jesus' voice paused at this moment. He was savoring an anticipation too intense and private to be revealed. Was he pre-living that moment at which he would enjoy the victory which his Father would give him as the eternal reward for his own long-suffering? His own sting of death would be swallowed up, and he would be the omniscient Head of a completed and compliant body for whom he had shed his blood on a terrible cross. He would reign as KING of the Jews after these days of grace. Then his thoughts returned to me.

"My son, when that time has come, my Father will call to me. The applause of the heavenly hosts will be deafening; they too have been awaiting that day, ever since they announced my birth to the shepherds at Bethlehem so long ago. Scoffers will gaze with fear and wonder as my angelic hosts watch me fulfill my promise to my earthly body of believers at my soon return to Earth." (Richard Eby, near-death .com)