Gay Marriage

[FreeinChrist]

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[Radrook]

Homosexual divorce/Heterosexual remarriage
Abomination or not, a gay marriage is still legally binding...but I understand what you are saying.

Human legality is annulled by a higher court in which God is the judge.

 

[SkyWriting]

In God's eyes it's only marriage between a man and a woman that is legally binding. Homosexual marriage is an abomination. If they got a divorce and if the person was truly committed to Christ, I don't think He'd mind. Is the remarriage with this same person?

Who said homosexual marriage was an abomination?

 

[SkyWriting]

If you lead a gay friend to Christ who happens to be legally married to a same-sex partner...would it be a sin for them to divorce? What about remarriage in a heterosexual relationship?

Sin is decided by the individual. Hope this - clears up that.

James 4:17
So whoever knows the right thing to do
and fails to do it, for him it is sin.

 

[AmusingMargaret]

You don't have the power to lead anyone to Christ. God is present in everyone's lives, even gay people, and only he can make them a Christian. That should remove the burden of thinking you yourself personally must save gay people. You don't save, Jesus saves.

If you are not careful, you could end up making a mess of things. At the very least, it is disrespectful and hostile towards the spouse. American Christians should be cautious about offending their neighbors, even ones with whom they disagree. Being the fomenter of resentment isn't a good thing in my book, neither is tearing apart families, even if you judge those families imperfect.

Thank you for your input, judgmental as it is. Jesus does, indeed, save. But if no one tells the lost about Him, if not one takes the time to pray and follow up, and do it again and again...and when the time comes and the person decides to accept Christ, if no one LEADS them in the sinner's prayer, they will remain lost and on their way to hell, based on what the Bible says. If you don't believe the Bible, then I can understand your confusion on my thread and this particular topic.

Look around you...perhaps even look at yourself (none of us have reached perfection)...the devil already made a mess of things...Christ, when allowed, cleans up the mess.

 

[SkyWriting]

Thank you for your input, judgmental as it is. Jesus does, indeed, save. But if no one tells the lost about Him, if not one takes the time to pray and follow up, and do it again and again...and when the time comes and the person decides to accept Christ, if no one LEADS them in the sinner's prayer, they will remain lost and on their way to hell, based on what the Bible says.

No, it does not say that.
You missed your one chance to link to scripture.

Rom 1
19 For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse.

Job 12:7
"But now ask the beasts, and let them teach you; And the birds of the heavens, and let them tell you

Psalm 19:1
For the choir director. A Psalm of David. The heavens are telling of the glory of God; And their expanse is declaring the work of His hands.

 

[SkyWriting]

Look around you...perhaps even look at yourself (none of us have reached perfection)...the devil already made a mess of things...Christ, when allowed, cleans up the mess.

God heard your past and future prayers
and answered them before He formed
the world. Nothing is outside of His plan.

 

[CrystalDragon]

I understand your compassion. But there is also that choice that they make, right? They are choosing this type of lifestyle but there is always hope that they will genuinely see the error of their ways and turn to Christ! You can choose to turn to Christ or to deny Christ and continue to live in the sinful ways of the world. I think it's very sad that they are trying to "normalize" all things abnormal as well but hey, as Christians we know this is going to happen and every day it gets worse is every day closer to Jesus coming! The fact that homosexuality is an abomination to God, well God says it Himself. It's not some made up story. It's truth. I know the truth is very hard to swallow these days. THAT is something to be sad about.

Homosexual sex is the abomination to God in the Bible, not attraction. You can't control who you're attracted to, just how you act on it.

 

[Radrook]

Sin is decided by the individual. Hope this - clears up that.

James 4:17
So whoever knows the right thing to do
and fails to do it, for him it is sin.

That's nothing more than a very cunning distortion of meaning.

BTW'
Some folks who disagree with some things that the Bible teaches have written their own version minus all the things they don't like. Ever consider doing that?

 

[FireDragon76]

Thank you for your input, judgmental as it is. Jesus does, indeed, save. But if no one tells the lost about Him, if not one takes the time to pray and follow up, and do it again and again...and when the time comes and the person decides to accept Christ, if no one LEADS them in the sinner's prayer, they will remain lost and on their way to hell, based on what the Bible says.

The sinner's prayer is not a biblical requirement for salvation. Faith alone is.

It's not human responsibility to "lead people to Christ". I've met people that became Christians because they encountered Jesus himself. God doesn't need us, that is very mistaken theology. Some are called to preach and teach, but not all.

If you don't believe the Bible, then I can understand your confusion on my thread and this particular topic.

I'm a Lutheran, we were the ones that invented "the Bible alone", you know...

Look around you...perhaps even look at yourself (none of us have reached perfection)...the devil already made a mess of things...Christ, when allowed, cleans up the mess.

Christ cleaned up my mess 2,000 years ago.

 

[AmusingMargaret]

The sinner's prayer is not a biblical requirement for salvation. Faith alone is.

It's not human responsibility to "lead people to Christ". I've met people that became Christians because they encountered Jesus himself. God doesn't need us, that is very mistaken theology. Some are called to preach and teach, but not all.



I'm a Lutheran, we were the ones that invented "the Bible alone", you know...



Christ cleaned up my mess 2,000 years ago.

Again thank you for your input. However, it seems as if you are only trying to be argumentative and pick apart my question with your theology with no intention of being helpful, so I will wish you well and bow out of this particular conversation.

 

[hedrick]

Let's look at the real question raised by the OP. If a gay marriage is serious, it has the same commitment and creates the same bond as any other message. Children may be involved. Divorce is just as damaging as with any other marriage.

What happens if someone becomes Christian depends upon the kind of Christianity. Many Christians today think gay marriage is OK. In that case there's no issue. But I think the OP was assuming a conservative Christianity that opposes gay marriage.

There are many situations in which you have a choice of things, both of which will result in damage. Usually you try to pick the lesser evil. However as I've noted above, many Christians don't consider homosexuality as something where you can do that kind of tradeoff. If someone becomes a kind of Christian that considers homosexuality the ultimate evil, then they're going to divorce. It will cause damage, but they will consider it less than continuing to live in a homosexual relationship.

So in the end the ethical issue depends upon what you think about homosexuality. And we can't talk about that here.

 

[AmusingMargaret]

Let's look at the real question raised by the OP. If a gay marriage is serious, it has the same commitment and creates the same bond as any other message. Children may be involved. Divorce is just as damaging as with any other marriage.

What happens if someone becomes Christian depends upon the kind of Christianity. Many Christians today think gay marriage is OK. In that case there's no issue. But I think the OP was assuming a conservative Christianity that opposes gay marriage.

There are many situations in which you have a choice of things, both of which will result in damage. Usually you try to pick the lesser evil. However as I've noted above, many Christians don't consider homosexuality as something where you can do that kind of tradeoff. If someone becomes a kind of Christian that considers homosexuality the ultimate evil, then they're going to divorce. It will cause damage, but they will consider it less than continuing to live in a homosexual relationship.

So in the end the ethical issue depends upon what you think about homosexuality. And we can't talk about that here.

Thank you for your thoughts. It's just not an easy question nor does it have an easy answer.

 

[Sketcher]

In Christianity, "gay marriage" is an oxymoron. Homosexual relations are sin, but I would be very careful and prayerful about approaching that subject with him. My default position is to not be the "bad guy" yourself in any sort of a relationship with an unbeliever. When the relationship itself is illicit, that becomes harder.

 

[SkyWriting]

That's nothing more than a very cunning distortion of meaning.

Some folks who disagree with some things that the Bible teaches have written their own version minus all the things they don't like. Ever consider doing that?

Are you planning such a version?

I guess you don't know how I roll.
U B leaving these out?

Luke 12:47
That servant who knows his master's will but does not get ready or follow his instructions will be beaten with many blows.

John 9:41
"If you were blind," Jesus replied, "you would not be guilty of sin. But since you claim you can see, your guilt remains."

2 Peter 2:21
It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness than to have known it and turned away from the holy commandment passed on to them.

John 15
21 But they will treat you like this on account of My name, because they do not know the One who sent Me.
22 If I had not come and spoken to them,they would not be guilty of sin. Now, however, they have no excuse for their sin.

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[SkyWriting]

In Christianity, "gay marriage" is an oxymoron. Homosexual relations are sin, but I would be very careful and prayerful about approaching that subject with him. My default position is to not be the "bad guy" yourself in any sort of a relationship with an unbeliever. When the relationship itself is illicit, that becomes harder.

Sin is completely in your own mind. Your view of it does not apply to other people.

 

[SkyWriting]

There are many situations in which you have a choice of things, both of which will result in damage. Usually you try to pick the lesser evil. However as I've noted above, many Christians don't consider homosexuality as something where you can do that kind of tradeoff. If someone becomes a kind of Christian that considers homosexuality the ultimate evil, then they're going to divorce. It will cause damage, but they will consider it less than continuing to live in a homosexual relationship.

So in the end the ethical issue depends upon what you think about homosexuality. And we can't talk about that here.

Sin is a contract between you and God and does not apply to your neighbors.
Jesus tells us that we all sin and therefore are not qualified to judge others.