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He is not wrong just as you are not wrong. He's reading Isaiah as Jews read it and you're reading it as a Christian.Rabbi Freitag also mentioned how the OT Scriptures do not mention anything about a man or Savior taking away our sins or atoning for our sins. He is wrong.
Isaiah 53 says,
3 "He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors." (Isaiah 53:3-12).
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I mention this because Jesus implies in his speech to Nicodemus that he should have known about being born again. This was not a prophecy that Nicodemus should have known about. This was an actual reality for the Old Testament saint that Nicodemus should have been aware of.
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I disagree. Nakdimon SHOULD have known what it was because He was a Pharisee and they believed in the resurrection of the dead. Read the entire account because Yeshua DEFINES what one that is born again is like...
"..It behoveth you to be born from above; the Spirit where he willeth doth blow....thus is every one who hath been born of the Spirit."
(John 3:7-8)
...as in:
26 "But the Jerusalem that is above is free, which is our mother.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; Break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: For more are the children of the desolate than of her that hath the husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, so also it is now." (Galatians 4:26-29)
Did you catch what the passage in Galatians above said?
It said Isaac was born after the Spirit.
So people in the Old Testament were born again.
I mean, even John the Baptist had the Spirit since his birth. This was a time during the Old Covenant.
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As God said...Also, Ezekiel 44:9 says that those who were uncircumcised in heart could not enter the sanctuary. How would one know if they were cicrumcised in heart or not? How could others know if this person was circumcised in heart or not? Truly this is talking about the person who has been changed or regenerated spiritually whereby they would show forth their new and dedicated life to God by their good fruits or deeds (i.e. how they talked and acted in front of others in a truly Godly way).
I mean, can a person circumcise their heart and live?
What does circumcised in heart mean in the Old Testament?
Is it just meaningless rubbish?
Did not circumcision stand as a mark of one who was saved?
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NOT the same thing as Yeshua was telling Nakdimon. Read it again. There are 2 possible births and a possible 2 deaths, 1 physical birth and 1 physical death as there is one spiritual birth and a possible spiritual death (the 2nd death). To enter one must be born again...His Kingdom is not of THIS world. The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit. We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven. Flesh and blood can not inherit The Kingdom. And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so also shall we bear the likeness of the heavenly man. Now I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
We don't read Isaiah quoted as a reference to an individual.Dear Danny:
Jesus (Who is the spotless Lamb and who is sinless) took on our sins in the cup witin the Garden Gethsemane. He later was beaten and whipped. This then plays into what Isaiah says.
"But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes (whip marks) we are healed." (Isaiah 53:5).
Christ was then crucified and the Father laid all Judgment of sin upon Him and He died for all of mankind's sins so as to offer man the free gift of salvation. Jesus was in the grave 3 days and 3 nights; And then Christ conquered sin and death with His resurrection. Jesus then ascended to the Father (After telling Mary not to touch Him), and entered the Holy Temple up in Heaven by his blood so as to be our mediator and or Heavenly High Priest between God the Father and man.
Side Note:
A parallel of Jesus taking on our sin in the Garden can be seen in the story of Joseph. Judah took on Benjamin's guilt of the cup within his bag and was willing to go to prison (i.e. take punishment) in Benjamin's place for a sin that Benjamin did not do (See Genesis 44).
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We don't read Isaiah quoted as a reference to an individual.
Isaac was born of the Spirit according to Galatians 4:28-29. This means Jesus was saying that being born again was not a new concept to Nicodemus. In fact, Jesus says to Nicodemus that how can he be a great teacher in Israel and not know these things.
“Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?” (John 3:9-10).
I also provided many verses talking about the spiritual circumcision of the heart of believers that is a process done by God (and also the believer). This is what Jesus was talking about. Circumcision of the heart is just another way of saying born again. Please stop being close minded and just read the verses I provided earlier about the circumcision of the heart in the OT in prayer.
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