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I asked because some say that it is compulsory while most say it is not.Why are you asking?
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I asked because some say that it is compulsory while most say it is not.Why are you asking?
Not true, if it were only for Israel then why are we included? Jesus command to the disciples was to go to all nations.The New Covenant was made with the house of Israel only as well.
???What Jesus replaced the blood of animals with his own blood, but we are still to repent when we sin.
If it was only for rest then why did Jesus go to the Temple on the Sabbath? Why were the Jews filing the Synagogues? If the Sabbath was only for rest then how come Jesus was out and about healing on the Sabbath? All you are trying to do is sabotage my post.The Sabbath was a day of rest, not worship, so talking about people only having time to worship on Sunday is irrelevant since there is nothing wrong with Sunday worship.
Only when scripture does not agree with your beliefs do you hollar out of context, out of context! I know you will not, but I give you the opportunity to explain where I have taken anything out of context. Paul was very clear and so am I. Those verses completely douse your belief system.You keep taking In 2Cor 3:7-11 and Col 2 OUT OF CONTEXT..
Ex19:5 Now IF you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine, 6 you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.”God only does what he reveals to the prophets and I dont see anywhere in the OT that God said he was going to cancel the 10 C's, so to come to a conclusion that the 10 Commandments were temporary is twisting Paul's words to suit our own flesh
So????As mentioned before Jesus walked this earth for 40 days after his resurrection
Well, for sure he told the Corinthians.So im sure somewhere in the book of Acts, would there be mention of him telling the disciples that the Commandments were abolished,
If the 10 are the rule of right then by all means go out and do all the sinful thing that are not listed in the 10. It must be alight to hate your neighbor because it isn't listed.if that was the actual case. If the 10C's were temporary, then fell free to worship other idol Gods.
I don't find that to be true at all. The Old Testament has a multitude of good advice as how to live a righteous life. Abraham didn't have the 10 commandments as his guide, but yet he knew not to worship idols.Saying all of you to do is love others as Jesus did being a tall order is a cheap and lazy way out of obeying God, because you pretty much determine now how God should be worshiped on your terms rather than the terms he laid out on how we are to worship him.
As I have written many times "morality is forever". Rituals like Sabbath keeping was for Israel only. Israel is defunct and so is Torah.Like it or not, as a Christian you DO actually keep much of the Torah when you Love one another (Deut 6:5) and Love God (Lev 19:18) and keep the rest of the commandments that apply wether its not stealing, coveting, killing, commiting adultery etc
So why are you consulting religious people and not the Scripture?I asked because some say that it is compulsory while most say it is not.
I ask people to explain what they think. I read the holy scriptures to see what they say. The Holy Spirit also speaks in the holy scriptures and in the body of Christ. That is why I ask religious people and the holy scriptures and the Holy Spirit and the body of Christ.So why are you consulting religious people and not the Scripture?
I asked because some say that it is compulsory while most say it is not.
Is seventh day keeping compulsory for Christians?
Is seventh day keeping compulsory for Christians?
Weren't the Jews in Berea checking that Paul was telling old testament stories accurately?
Yes, it seems that all that is demanded of gentiles who are in communities that include converts from Judaism is to abstain from the pollutions of idols and from unchastity and from what is strangled and from blood. (Acts 15:20 RSV)
Some may have gone to the synagogue, many were thrown out of it and forbidden to go because they became Christians. While Jesus was still living that was what the Pharisees did.
While you have the light, believe in the light, that you may become sons of light." When Jesus had said this, he departed and hid himself from them. Though he had done so many signs before them, yet they did not believe in him; it was that the word spoken by the prophet Isaiah might be fulfilled: "Lord, who has believed our report, and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?" Therefore they could not believe. For Isaiah again said, "He has blinded their eyes and hardened their heart, lest they should see with their eyes and perceive with their heart, and turn for me to heal them." Isaiah said this because he saw his glory and spoke of him. Nevertheless many even of the authorities believed in him, but for fear of the Pharisees they did not confess it, lest they should be put out of the synagogue: for they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God. John 12:36-43
Yes, it is true, every Christian learns more and grows if they have a mind do follow Jesus. Do you think that seventh day keeping comes later after one has grown for a while?
What do you mean when you say the 10 Cs are antithetical to the written law?
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Only the fifth commandment, as written, carries with it a blessing: long life. Ephesians 6:2 The others carry the death penalty, or the curse of the Law. If the commandments are to be a blessing they must be fulfilled; filled full, i.e. "abstain from evil, do what is good." This pattern is revealed in the Proverbs.
The Ten Commandments are just about the only part of the Law that have a true spiritual aspect antithetical to the written law. The others are mainly rituals and ceremonies, and civil and criminal laws. Thus the "commandments" stand apart from the 'judgments and statutes'.
The OC Sabbath was filled with laborious ritual and ceremony. It was hardly a day of 'rest' for anyone. When one actually rests on that day they will see the blessing that comes from properly 'observing' and 'keeping' it.
In the OC man was made for the (ritual) Sabbath by the requirements of abstinence and commanded assembly and ceremony. Jesus flipped that on it's head when he said, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath."
True, and to fully appreciate this gift it must be separated from the Law.
All the commands must be spiritually, not legalistically, understood, including the Sabbath.
When Paul said that the Law was spiritual, he didn't specify just ten of them (Romans 7:14). They are all spiritual because they all are intended to teach us deeper spiritual principles of which the laws are just examples. For example, in Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that justice, mercy, and faith are the weightier matters of the Law, so has always been intended to teach us how to reflect these attributes of God. Similarly, God gave instructions to be holy for he is holy (1 Peter 1:13-16), so following those "ceremonial" laws is about teaching us to reflect God's holiness.
The Sabbath was commanded by God as a day of rest, not of laborious ritual and ceremony, though man has tried to pervert it by filling it with laborious ritual and ceremony.
The Sabbath has always been a precious gift that God made for man to delight in.
Paul said that the Law is spiritual (Romans 7:14), so it is a false dichotomy that to understand it spiritually that it must be separated from the Law. In Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that faith was one of the weightier matters of the Law, so legalism has always been a perversion of it. If we correctly understand the deeper spiritual principles of the Law and we have faith in God to guide us in how to rightly live, then we will live according to things that are examples of those principles. We reflect the attributes of God to the world by following commands that are examples of those spiritual principles, not by merely contemplating them.
Is seventh day keeping compulsory for Christians?
I believe we should rest on that day..Is seventh day keeping compulsory for Christians?
The New Testament has decided for us. Only Israel was under the 10 commandments. Israel as a chosen nation is no more. The covenant relationship is gone, history.Def of compulsory
If something is compulsory, you must do it because of a rule or law:
You must decide if the 10 C are still in effect if they are then they are the law of GOD thus all would be compulsory including the fourth C.
Very simple my friend, nine of the ten are about morality. One is a ritual given only to Israel. How do I know this, look around, did God give the Sabbath command to any other nation on Earth? No history will reveal that God gave any day to any of His children except Israelites. Even then the Sabbath was not connected to salvation. It was strickly part of the law to be kept so that they could inherit earthly CanaanI would venture to guess that most folks would agree that 9 of the ten are still in effect only the fourth in their view is not. Interesting concept where man can do away with one precept out of the ten and still claim that the other 9 are still in effect.
Read on SDA and educate yourself. John didn't leave you wondering what the law was. He certainly didn't mean the old covenant law like you would believe he does. He certainly didn't mean the part of the law as in the 10 commandments which Paul leaves us no doubt were transitory. Well, what other law is there you would say. John leaves us no doubt as to what he meant. 1Jn 3:19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: 20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Well, we know from Paul that "my commandments" are not the ministry of death, the ten transitory commands given only to the now defunct Israelites, so what are they? Maybe you didn't read the above in red. There you will find your true answer. I hate to spring this on you, but your Sabbath trying is worthless. It is a farce conjured up by some who want to control their flocks. They certainly didn't do any reasoning or study when they decided to use it as their flagship."If you love me keep my commandments" who said this? answer Jesus
Any sincere person reading and understanding the Bible knows the ten commandments are not the rules for the Christian. Yes it is understood after reading this forum people like you will then say others are teaching people it is ok to murder, lie and commit adultery. That is so far from the truth, it is seen as a lie making a false accusation.Def of compulsory
If something is compulsory, you must do it because of a rule or law:
You must decide if the 10 C are still in effect if they are then they are the law of GOD thus all would be compulsory including the fourth C.
I would venture to guess that most folks would agree that 9 of the ten are still in effect only the fourth in their view is not. Interesting concept where man can do away with one precept out of the ten and still claim that the other 9 are still in effect.
1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1 No other gods before me good one (not kept then it is a sin)
2 Shall not make graven images good one (not kept then it is a sin)
3 Don't take the Lords name in vain good one (not kept then it is a sin)
4 Remember the Sabbath keep it holy BAD ONE (not kept then it is NOT sin)
5 Honor Father and Mother good one (not kept then it is a sin)
6 Thou shall not kill good one (not kept then it is a sin)
7 do not commit adultery good one (not kept then it is a sin)
8 Don't steal good one (not kept then it is a sin)
9 No false witness good one (not kept then it is a sin)
10 do not covet good one (not kept then it is a sin)
"If you love me keep my commandments" who said this? answer Jesus