Seventh day observance compulsory?

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Is seventh day keeping compulsory for Christians?
I believe anyone asking this should do the same thing the Bereans did. Look up all the relevant scriptures and their commentary on both sides of the argument and take accountability for your decision. It's a subject that's been discussed, discussed and discussed near to death. There are web pages and web pages on both sides of the issue too. So it's not as if a Christian can't make an informed decision.
 
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Is seventh day keeping compulsory for Christians?

Only if you are an Israelite.

Notice Exodus 31:17: "It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed."

Religious scholars, the Christian ministry, Catholic priesthood, and secular experts are not hesitant to insist that ancient Israel is nowhere to be found on planet earth, with the possible exception of the Jews (who have made a religion out of Sabbath keeping).

With this in mind the Christian church is wholey and soley composed of "gentiles", who don't share the same 'burden' that the Israelites had to endure ( circumcision for example). All we have to do is "abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood."
 
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All we have to do is "abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood."
Yes, it seems that all that is demanded of gentiles who are in communities that include converts from Judaism is to abstain from the pollutions of idols and from unchastity and from what is strangled and from blood. (Acts 15:20 RSV)
 
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Is seventh day keeping compulsory for Christians?
Only if you are an Israelite.
The system which the Israelites lived under was the Torah, old covenant. God made that covenant with only one nation, Israel and the covenant had nothing to do with the salvation of any Israelite. It had all to do with governing a group of refugees. The promise of God was that if Israel would keep the covenant God would give them a permanent home in the land of Canaan. Over and over Israel strayed from the covenant and God in His mercy forgave them. Israel finally broke the covenant one too many times and God sent His Son to redeem all mankind not just Israel

On the Cross Jesus ratified, with His own blood, a new covenant with all who will accept Him as Savior. This covenant is not about gaining the earthly land of Canaan. It all about our Heavenly land of Canaan. Our covenant doesn't require the keeping of days or all of the other rituals in the old covenant.

We are free to worship when our hearts feel the need. Every day, in the morning, noon, evening, and at night. I don't care what the Sabbath observers have to say about Sunday and who, in the past, used the day for their worship. It is a day that most people have off from their work and and a convenient time to gather together in corporate worship. The obligation Israel had to keep the weekly Sabbath is no longer in existence for anyone. The covenant was broken by Israel, they lost the promised land of Canaan. Salvation is, as it has always been, by faith. Again the Torah was not about salvation.

Paul wrote much about the law. In 2Cor3:7-11 he wrote that the 10 commandments were only temporary commands. Sabbath was one of those temporary commands. In Col2 He wrote that the Sabbath was a shadow and Jesus is the reality. All the Sabbath thumpers do not have ground to stand on. The overwhelming data from Scripture tell us we are not under the laws given to Israel. Are we then lawless as they like to proclaim? Ever hear of the law of love. Jesus gave Christians a new command that we love others as He loves us. That is a tall command brothers ans sisters.

Wake up, Jesus is soon going to return or you will expire waiting. Be ready.

Since Torah laws, including the Sabbath, were not for the salvation of Israel, why do those who think they must observe it try to tell us we must observe it. Are they, by observing it, somehow trying to gain the earthly land of Canaan? It is over folks, is that too hard to understand?
 
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The system which the Israelites lived under was the Torah, old covenant. God made that covenant with only one nation, Israel and the covenant had nothing to do with the salvation of any Israelite. It had all to do with governing a group of refugees. The promise of God was that if Israel would keep the covenant God would give them a permanent home in the land of Canaan. Over and over Israel strayed from the covenant and God in His mercy forgave them. Israel finally broke the covenant one too many times and God sent His Son to redeem all mankind not just Israel

On the Cross Jesus ratified, with His own blood, a new covenant with all who will accept Him as Savior. This covenant is not about gaining the earthly land of Canaan. It all about our Heavenly land of Canaan. Our covenant doesn't require the keeping of days or all of the other rituals in the old covenant.

We are free to worship when our hearts feel the need. Every day, in the morning, noon, evening, and at night. I don't care what the Sabbath observers have to say about Sunday and who, in the past, used the day for their worship. It is a day that most people have off from their work and and a convenient time to gather together in corporate worship. The obligation Israel had to keep the weekly Sabbath is no longer in existence for anyone. The covenant was broken by Israel, they lost the promised land of Canaan. Salvation is, as it has always been, by faith. Again the Torah was not about salvation.

Paul wrote much about the law. In 2Cor3:7-11 he wrote that the 10 commandments were only temporary commands. Sabbath was one of those temporary commands. In Col2 He wrote that the Sabbath was a shadow and Jesus is the reality. All the Sabbath thumpers do not have ground to stand on. The overwhelming data from Scripture tell us we are not under the laws given to Israel. Are we then lawless as they like to proclaim? Ever hear of the law of love. Jesus gave Christians a new command that we love others as He loves us. That is a tall command brothers ans sisters.

Wake up, Jesus is soon going to return or you will expire waiting. Be ready.

Since Torah laws, including the Sabbath, were not for the salvation of Israel, why do those who think they must observe it try to tell us we must observe it. Are they, by observing it, somehow trying to gain the earthly land of Canaan? It is over folks, is that too hard to understand?

The New Covenant was made with the house of Israel only as well.

What Jesus replaced the blood of animals with his own blood, but we are still to repent when we sin.

The Sabbath was a day of rest, not worship, so talking about people only having time to worship on Sunday is irrelevant since there is nothing wrong with Sunday worship.

You keep taking In 2Cor 3:7-11 and Col 2 OUT OF CONTEXT. God only does what he reveals to the prophets and I dont see anywhere in the OT that God said he was going to cancel the 10 C's, so to come to a conclusion that the 10 Commandments were temporary is twisting Paul's words to suit our own flesh.

As mentioned before Jesus walked this earth for 40 days after his resurrection

Acts 1
1 The former account I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach, 2 until the day in which He was taken up, after He through the Holy Spirit had given commandments to the apostles whom He had chosen, 3 to whom He also presented Himself alive after His suffering by many infallible proofs, being seen by them during forty days and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God.

So im sure somewhere in the book of Acts, would there be mention of him telling the disciples that the Commandments were abolished, if that was the actual case. If the 10C's were temporary, then fell free to worship other idol Gods.

Saying all of you to do is love others as Jesus did being a tall order is a cheap and lazy way out of obeying God, because you pretty much determine now how God should be worshiped on your terms rather than the terms he laid out on how we are to worship him.

Like it or not, as a Christian you DO actually keep much of the Torah when you Love one another (Deut 6:5) and Love God (Lev 19:18) and keep the rest of the commandments that apply wether its not stealing, coveting, killing, commiting adultery etc
 
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Yes, it seems that all that is demanded of gentiles who are in communities that include converts from Judaism is to abstain from the pollutions of idols and from unchastity and from what is strangled and from blood. (Acts 15:20 RSV)
That was just a start and Acts 15:21 said the gentiles would learn more each week as they went to the synagogues and heard the Torah.

Acts 15:21
21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”
 
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Acts 15:21 said the gentiles would learn more each week as they went to the synagogues and heard the Torah.
Some may have gone to the synagogue, many were thrown out of it and forbidden to go because they became Christians. While Jesus was still living that was what the Pharisees did.
While you have the light, believe in the light, that you may become sons of light." When Jesus had said this, he departed and hid himself from them. Though he had done so many signs before them, yet they did not believe in him; it was that the word spoken by the prophet Isaiah might be fulfilled: "Lord, who has believed our report, and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?" Therefore they could not believe. For Isaiah again said, "He has blinded their eyes and hardened their heart, lest they should see with their eyes and perceive with their heart, and turn for me to heal them." Isaiah said this because he saw his glory and spoke of him. Nevertheless many even of the authorities believed in him, but for fear of the Pharisees they did not confess it, lest they should be put out of the synagogue: for they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God. John 12:36-43
 
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The Ten Commandments are just about the only part of the Law that have a true spiritual aspect antithetical to the written law. The others are mainly rituals and ceremonies, and civil and criminal laws. Thus the "commandments" stand apart from the 'judgments and statutes'.

The OC Sabbath was filled with laborious ritual and ceremony. It was hardly a day of 'rest' for anyone. When one actually rests on that day they will see the blessing that comes from properly 'observing' and 'keeping' it.

In the OC man was made for the (ritual) Sabbath by the requirements of abstinence and commanded assembly and ceremony. Jesus flipped that on it's head when he said, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath."
 
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Some may have gone to the synagogue, many were thrown out of it and forbidden to go because they became Christians. While Jesus was still living that was what the Pharisees did.
While you have the light, believe in the light, that you may become sons of light." When Jesus had said this, he departed and hid himself from them. Though he had done so many signs before them, yet they did not believe in him; it was that the word spoken by the prophet Isaiah might be fulfilled: "Lord, who has believed our report, and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?" Therefore they could not believe. For Isaiah again said, "He has blinded their eyes and hardened their heart, lest they should see with their eyes and perceive with their heart, and turn for me to heal them." Isaiah said this because he saw his glory and spoke of him. Nevertheless many even of the authorities believed in him, but for fear of the Pharisees they did not confess it, lest they should be put out of the synagogue: for they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God. John 12:36-43
Thats why Peter had that vision in Acts 10 to not refer to gentiles and unclean and that they can be part of the covenant as well. Acts 15 is years after Jesus death, so it shows the new gentile converts the basics to start off with and they will learn more along the way as they grow in the faith.
 
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it shows the new gentile converts the basics to start off with and they will learn more along the way as they grow in the faith
Yes, it is true, every Christian learns more and grows if they have a mind do follow Jesus. Do you think that seventh day keeping comes later after one has grown for a while?
 
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Is seventh day keeping compulsory for Christians?
Nope. The New Testament changed that, although you'll find Christians who argue that it cannot be.

To me, you can't play off one testament against the other, choosing which one you prefer. If the NT modifies anything that was applied to the OT Hebrews--and it does so in many ways--then so be it...unless, that is, a person doesn't want to say that the NT is part of the Bible or doesn't accept the Bible as the revealed word of God. If either of those is asserted, then I suppose it's 'anything goes.'
 
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Yes, it seems that all that is demanded of gentiles who are in communities that include converts from Judaism is to abstain from the pollutions of idols and from unchastity and from what is strangled and from blood. (Acts 15:20 RSV)
Then sabbath keeping must not be compulsory.

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The Ten Commandments are just about the only part of the Law that have a true spiritual aspect antithetical to the written law. The others are mainly rituals and ceremonies, and civil and criminal laws. Thus the "commandments" stand apart from the 'judgments and statutes'.
What do you mean when you say the 10 Cs are antithetical to the written law?

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Thats why Peter had that vision in Acts 10 to not refer to gentiles and unclean and that they can be part of the covenant as well. Acts 15 is years after Jesus death, so it shows the new gentile converts the basics to start off with and they will learn more along the way as they grow in the faith.
Then this NC is not exclusive to Israel.

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