How do you feel about women not wearing bras? Is it a Sin?

[RedPonyDriver]

Exposure of the female breast to male visual scrutiny triggers a reaction in the human male which he perceives as an invitation to copulate. The younger the male involved the stronger the sense of being PURPOSEFULLY invited becomes.

And...are human beings ruled by "instinct" or have we developed self-control (part of the fruit of the Spirit)? Sorry, if you get all hot and bothered by a woman not wearing a bra, then you need to develop self-control. Believe me, if I want to get busy with you, I'll let you know...otherwise, if you think your "instinct" is going to let you get away with it...think again.

 

[Sammy-San]

And...are human beings ruled by "instinct" or have we developed self-control (part of the fruit of the Spirit)? Sorry, if you get all hot and bothered by a woman not wearing a bra, then you need to develop self-control. Believe me, if I want to get busy with you, I'll let you know...otherwise, if you think your "instinct" is going to let you get away with it...think again.

Even without lust, nudity is still unbibical and shameful.

 

[Radrook]

And...are human beings ruled by "instinct" or have we developed self-control (part of the fruit of the Spirit)? Sorry, if you get all hot and bothered by a woman not wearing a bra, then you need to develop self-control. Believe me, if I want to get busy with you, I'll let you know...otherwise, if you think your "instinct" is going to let you get away with it...think again.

I never claimed that we should not try to exercise self control. No, I don't get hot and bothered by women not wearing a bra. Neither have I given you cause for concluding that I would try to force myself on you or any other woman. Never has happened and never will. You don't know me personally so why you are disrespectfully insinuating this is beyond me


'Furthermore, the Bible itself tells us that the women's breasts are objects of sexual interest to NORMAL men.

Proverbs 5:19
New International Version

A loving doe, a graceful deer-- may her breasts satisfy you always, may you ever be intoxicated with her love.

So I would feel far more concern if not feeling attraction instead.

Furthermore, the sexual drive in adolescents and young men is indeed so intense that it can very well overpower the reasoning faculties. The Moslems are justifiable aware of this and take measures to have their women not be a cause reasons for stumbling via unnecessarily revealing too much of their bodies.

 

[Sammy-San]

I never claimed that we should not try to exercise self control. No, I don't get hot and bothered by women not wearing a bra. Neither have I given you cause for concluding that I would try to force=e myself on you or any other woman. You don't know me personally so why you are disrespectfully insinuating this is beyond me


'Furthermore, the Bible itself tells us that the women's breasts are objects of sexual interest to NORMAL men.



So I would feel far more concern if not feeling attraction instead.

Furthermore, the sexual drive in adolescents and young men is indeed so intense that it can very well overpower the reasoning faculties. The Moslems are justifiable aware of this and take measures to have their women not be a cause reasons for stumbling via unnecessarily revealing too much of their bodies.

So modesty standards are absolute?

Is it bibical to say they are nudity?

 

[Radrook]

So modesty standards are absolute?

Modesty standards vary with culture. However, that women should take care not to provoke men via exposure of their body is a basic Christian principle. I remember once we brothers were rehearsing for a play in church and in walks this sister wearing tight slacks which revealed a great deal of here voluptuous body. The whole session came to an abrupt end and we all had to struggle to refocus our distracted minds on the Lord again. As men we are hardwired for that kind of visual impact. Women are not so visually susceptible and might find that hard to understand.

 

[Sammy-San]

Modesty standards vary with culture. However, that women should take care not to provoke men via exposure of their body is a basic Christian principle. I remember once we brothers were rehearsing for a play in church and in walks this sister wearing tight slacks which revealed a great deal of here voluptuous body. The whole session came to an abrupt end and we all had to struggle to refocus our distracted minds on the Lord again. As men we are hardwired for that kind of visual impact. Women are not so visually susceptible and might find that hard to understand.

Is it unbibical to say women's breasts are nudity?

 

[Sammy-San]

Modesty standards vary with culture. However, that women should take care not to provoke men via exposure of their body is a basic Christian principle. I remember once we brothers were rehearsing for a play in church and in walks this sister wearing tight slacks which revealed a great deal of here voluptuous body. The whole session came to an abrupt end and we all had to struggle to refocus our distracted minds on the Lord again. As men we are hardwired for that kind of visual impact. Women are not so visually susceptible and might find that hard to understand.

The Sojourner's Log: Biblical Modesty

Indeed, in some cultures, such as certain tribes of Papua New Guinea, it is considered to be perfectly modest for women to expose their breasts. Because these tribes consider this to be modest behavior does NOT mean that it is. There is a standard that exists. That standard is the Word of God (2Tim 3:16), and the Spirit of the meaning behind what is written (2Cor 3:6).

So, what is the Bible's definition of the word modest?

What Paul the Apostle meant by 'modest' was for a woman to be covered from NECKLINE TO ANKLE by LOOSE MATERIAL that does not underline certain parts of the body like the chest, the buttocks, or the groin. We know this by studying what his place, time, and culture considered to be modest. That is Biblical modesty.

 

[Radrook]

The Sojourner's Log: Biblical Modesty

As I previously said, culture does influence what is and what is not tolerated as acceptable. I never claimed that cultural influences are insignificant.

 

[Sammy-San]

As I previously said, culture does influence what is and what is not tolerated as acceptable. I never claimed that cultural influences are insignificant.

Isn't biblical modesty absolute? For example, people say dark t shirts over a swimsuit are modest.

 

[Radrook]

Isn't biblical modesty absolute? For example, people say dark t shirts over a swimsuit are modest.

But one can never discount the cultural situation that one is involved in. If Christian women in Moslem countries goe about wearing attire that is in stark contrast to what is perceived as modest, then they are setting up a stumbling block to the majority of the population. We are told that if at all possible we should strive to avoid being a stumbling block top others. In this case it might repel people away from Christianity and reinforce their belief that Islam is far better in spiritual; guidance.

In non Muslim countries where women are given far more slack even if they are Christian the Christian woman must take into serious consideration that her style of dress which exposes her feminine attributes might very well case a young brother who is single and who is struggling with the temptations to fornicate to stumble.

Romans 14:13 ESV
Therefore let us not pass judgment on one another any longer, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother.

1 Corinthians 8:13 ESV
Therefore, if food makes my brother stumble, I will never eat meat, lest I make my brother stumble.

Matthew 18:6-9 ESV
But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea. “Woe to the world for temptations to sin! For it is necessary that temptations come, but woe to the one by whom the temptation comes!

 

[Sammy-San]

But one can never discount the cultural situation that one is involved in. If Christian women in Moslem countries goe about wearing attire that is in stark contrast to what is perceived as modest, then they are setting up a stumbling block to the majority of the population. We are told that if at all possible we should strive to avoid being a stumbling block top others. In this case it might repel people away from Christianity and reinforce their belief that Islam is far better in spiritual; guidance.

In non Muslim countries where women are given far more slack even if they are Christian the Christian woman must take into serious consideration that her style of dress which exposes her feminine attributes might very well case a young brother who is single and who is struggling with the temptations to fornicate to stumble.

Romans 14:13 ESV
Therefore let us not pass judgment on one another any longer, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother.

1 Corinthians 8:13 ESV
Therefore, if food makes my brother stumble, I will never eat meat, lest I make my brother stumble.

Matthew 18:6-9 ESV
But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea. “Woe to the world for temptations to sin! For it is necessary that temptations come, but woe to the one by whom the temptation comes!

So in a sense Orthodox women dress more modestly than the average woman?

 

[Radrook]

So in a sense Orthodox women dress more modestly than the average woman?

I'm not sure what you mean by orthodox women. Do you mean fundamentalist Christian women such as Pentecostals? If so I would tend to say yes although my association with charismatics hasn't been extensive. But the time that I did spend in the Pentecostal Church would seem to indicate it. Of course there are exceptions and the degree of adherence to modesty will vary from church to church.
Some charismatic churches even prohibit makeup. My cousin left her denomination because of it and now she wears makeup.

 

[Paidiske]

Even without lust, nudity is still unbibical and shameful.

Wearing a bra, or not, under other clothes is not a matter of "nudity."

Furthermore, the sexual drive in adolescents and young men is indeed so intense that it can very well overpower the reasoning faculties.

If this is true, then men need to put boundaries in place for themselves, not expect women to do all the work. That's why it's called self-control.

I also dispute that the way a woman presents herself can cause a man to stumble. She might be the occasion for his stumbling, but the cause of it is within himself.

 

[Sammy-San]

Wearing a bra, or not, under other clothes is not a matter of "nudity."



If this is true, then men need to put boundaries in place for themselves, not expect women to do all the work. That's why it's called self-control.

I also dispute that the way a woman presents herself can cause a man to stumble. She might be the occasion for his stumbling, but the cause of it is within himself.

They have to do with modesty when worn in swimsuits.

 

[Paidiske]

I've never known anyone to wear a bra under a swimsuit. Some swimsuits are wired in a bra-like fashion. I think that's less to do with modesty and more to do with comfort/support.

 

[381465]

I go back and forth and up and down on the subject.

 

[RedPonyDriver]

Wearing a bra, or not, under other clothes is not a matter of "nudity."

Nope...they're still covered. My tank top covers everything quite well. Just because I'm not wearing something UNDER my tank top has nothing to do with "nudity". Nude means naked. I went out today w/my usual tank top and yoga pants. I was in a car accident on Thursday and to be honest, I'm a hurting unit. I have bruises from where the seat belt tightened up and I'm one big hurt from the base of my skull to my tailbone. Wearing any more clothes than what I had on would have been beyond the limit of the pain meds. However...I was covered up. Nothing was hanging out.

 

[Darkhorse]

I go back and forth and up and down on the subject.

So...your opinion is "bouncing around"?

Maybe you need some "support"?

 

[Radrook]

Wearing a bra, or not, under other clothes is not a matter of "nudity."



If this is true, then men need to put boundaries in place for themselves, not expect women to do all the work. That's why it's called self-control.

I also dispute that the way a woman presents herself can cause a man to stumble. She might be the occasion for his stumbling, but the cause of it is within himself.

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[Radrook]

9 likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire, but with what is proper for women who profess godliness—with good works.

1 Timothy 2:9–10


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The New Testament gives Christians over 100 commands and examples of how to live. People often look at just the 10 commandments, but the apostles instructed us with over 100 commands on how to live a godly life.

Also, if a woman dresses in a way that causes a man to sin, she has also sinned. (Sexy)

Clear as a bell!