Jesus' commandments - opposed to His Fathers Commandments? - Really?

[stuart lawrence]

But now a RIGHTEOUSNESS apart from law has been made known...rom3:21

No one will be declared RIGHTEOUS in Gods sight by observing the law...
Rom3:20

Not having a RIGHTEOUSNESS of my own that comes from the law
Phil3:9

Christ I the end of the law unto RIGHTEOUSNESS
Rom10:4

I do not set aside the grace of God for if RIGHTEOUSNESS comes from the law Christ died for nothing
Gal2:21

I could go on and on and on, but I'm sure the penny would never drop

 

[stuart lawrence]

If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us
1john1:8

THROUGH the law we become conscious of sin
Rom3:20

Confess your sins to each other
James 5:16

THROUGH the law we become conscious of sin
Rom3:20

If we confess our sin, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sin
1john1:9

THROUGH the law we become conscious of sin
Rom3:20

 

[bugkiller]

Simply put, you cant refute the fact:
THROUGH the law we become conscious of sin.
If you tell me you are never conscious of sin, I will respond by asking you if you have been born again.
And why are you only finding fault with what others write?
Why not do some exegesis yourself?

I never became conscious of wrong or evil because of the law. Because of what people think I have used it to back my actions for mere simplicity in communicating with people. That does not mean by any stretch of the imagination I promote the law to measure my life by. I have things like JN 13:34.

Now are you telling me I have to say you are right when that is not true? What give you the right to demand surrender of my superior value system based on the scripture? I will not be bullied.

I have plenty exegesis found all over this site. You are starting to sound like someone else who cannot win. You are not reading and responding to what I say.

bugkiller

 

[stuart lawrence]

I never became conscious of wrong or evil because of the law. Because of what people think I have used it to back my actions for mere simplicity in communicating with people. That does not mean by any stretch of the imagination I promote the law to measure my life by. I have things like JN 13:34.

Now are you telling me I have to say you are right when that is not true? What give you the right to demand surrender of my superior value system based on the scripture? I will not be bullied.

I have plenty exegesis found all over this site. You are starting to sound like someone else who cannot win. You are not reading and responding to what I say.

bugkiller

If we claim to be without sin we deceive ourselves and the truth I not in us
1john1:8

THROUGH the law we become conscious of sin
Rom3:20

 

[bugkiller]

Pauls brilliant. The greatest message preached since Christ walked this earth.

I will reference him:

Christ Is the end of the law, unto righteousness( not full stop)
Rom10:4

Kool!!!! I have no idea why you promote the law over Jesus. Also I have no idea what "(not full stop)" means.

bugkiller

 

[stuart lawrence]

Kool!!!! I have no idea why you promote the law over Jesus. Also I have no idea what "(not full stop)" means.

bugkiller

You don't understand the covenant.
And as I have repeatedly stated the christians righteousness is faith I Christ, not observing the law.
At best it is ignorance to then suggest I promote the law over Jesus.
You will never reach maturity of understanding unless you change your view on this.
I doubt you will though, as you seem to have great confidence I what you think you know

 

[bugkiller]

If we claim to be without sin we deceive ourselves and the truth I not in us
1john1:8

THROUGH the law we become conscious of sin
Rom3:20

You have or show no comprehension about the contents of Romans or Galatians. You want to argue over the performance of the flesh (physical body) regulated by the carnal law issued at Sinai. Read Rom 8 which your buddy BobRyan keeps blabbering about out of context. I posted a specific post showing the truth. It might even be on this very thread. That post was made yesterday.

bugkiller

 

[stuart lawrence]

You have or show no comprehension about the contents of Romans or Galatians. You want to argue over the performance of the flesh (physical body) regulated by the carnal law issued at Sinai. Read Rom 8 which your buddy BobRyan keeps blabbering about out of context. I posted a specific post showing the truth. It might even be on this very thread. That post was made yesterday.

bugkiller

The above shows how little you understand. I would go through the book of romans with you if you like and discuss its contents.
You can tell me why sinful passions are aroused in us by the law if we live under it if you like
( rom7:5)

 

[stuart lawrence]

You have or show no comprehension about the contents of Romans or Galatians. You want to argue over the performance of the flesh (physical body) regulated by the carnal law issued at Sinai. Read Rom 8 which your buddy BobRyan keeps blabbering about out of context. I posted a specific post showing the truth. It might even be on this very thread. That post was made yesterday.

bugkiller

I'm not SDA by the way.
The SDA I know believe they will attain heaven if they obey the TC
I can only attain heaven because Jesus died for me, he is my righteousness/ justification before God from first to last

 

[bugkiller]

You don't understand the covenant.
And as I have repeatedly stated the christians righteousness is faith I Christ, not observing the law.
At best it is ignorance to then suggest I promote the law over Jesus.
You will never reach maturity of understanding unless you change your view on this.
I doubt you will though, as you seem to have great confidence I what you think you know

What covenant do you suppose I do not understand?

Yeah I know you think I will never understand until I admit the law issued at Sinai has jurisdiction over my soul. Best wishes. I will never trade the position of grace for the law. It is my soul that has been regenerated (born again) not my body which has received its irreversible sentence of death and will return to dust from whence it came.

I will spend the time to review and find and quote the posts with shortcuts showing your promotion of the law or apologize for having you mixed up with someone else. It will take a few days.

When you say the law it means only one thing to me. And that is what this forum is about which is the law issued at Sinai.

bugkiller

 

[stuart lawrence]

What covenant so you suppose I do not understand?

Yeah I know you think I will never understand until I admit the law issued at Sinai has jurisdiction over my soul. Best wishes. I will never trade the position of grace for the law. It is my soul that has been regenerated (born again) not my body which has received its irreversible sentence of death and will return to dust from whence it came.

I will spend the time to review and find and quote the posts with shortcuts showing your promotion of the law or apologize for having you mixed up with someone else. It will take a few days.

When you say the law it means only one thing to me. And that is what this forum is about which is the law issued at Sinai.

bugkiller

The law doesn't have jurisdiction over your soul. Your rightstanding us Christ who died for you. You are under grace not law.
You misunderstand this, as many do. The law cannot condemn you, you are free.
It was for freedom that Christ has set you free
Gal5:1

 

[stuart lawrence]

The law us not placed within you to condemn you, for:
Your sins and lawless deeds will be remembered no more.

By the law being on your heart you in your heart want to live as God desires you to live, what's wrong with that?

The only time you suffer from that law if you like is when you follow after the flesh rather than the Spirit, then your conscience gets seered for you are going against what is in your heart wilfully. But it still doesn't bring condemnation. But it will bring you to your senses and before God seeking his forgiveness when you err, for you will have no rest, and no peace until you do seek his forgiveness. The law on your heart cuts out a licence to sin under grace. Jesus died for you, if God didn't put the law within you, you would have a licence to sin under grace. By the law being there no christian can happily sin without conscience. That's a good thing, not bad

 

[bugkiller]

The above shows how little you understand. I would go through the book of romans with you if you like and discuss its contents.
You can tell me why sinful passions are aroused in us by the law if we live under it if you like
( rom7:5)

I risk a ban to explain this to you.

The following verse clearly says we are now delivered rom the law.
We includes the writer, Paul a Jew.
are is present tense
delivered means set free from
from the indicates what - the law
the law Paul is talking about is made clear in v 7 - it is the 10 Cs called the law also known as the covenant
we now serve in newness of spirit
we do not serve in the oldness of the letter - written law a direct reference to the 10 Cs per v 7

No one keeps or has ever kept the law, save Jesus. How much Scripture do you need to back this up? I can do it from either testament. I have already referenced Paul on this in this thread. You most likely did not bother to to look it up.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

The law doesn't have jurisdiction over your soul. Your rightstanding us Christ who died for you. You are under grace not law.
You misunderstand this, as many do. The law cannot condemn you, you are free.
It was for freedom that Christ has set you free
Gal5:1

Show me what I misunderstand.

bugkiller

 

[stuart lawrence]

I risk a ban to explain this to you.

The following verse clearly says we are now delivered rom the law.
We includes the writer, Paul a Jew.
are is present tense
delivered means set free from
from the indicates what - the law
the law Paul is talking about is made clear in v 7 - it is the 10 Cs called the law also known as the covenant
we now serve in newness of spirit
we do not serve in the oldness of the letter - written law a direct reference to the 10 Cs per v 7

No one keeps or has ever kept the law, save Jesus. How much Scripture do you need to back this up? I can do it from either testament. I have already referenced Paul on this in this thread. You most likely did not bother to to look it up.

bugkiller

And I totally agree with you. No one ever kept the law except Jesus.
The mistake you are making here is in thinking I the law is placed within you it can bring condemnation. IT CANT. That isn't what its there for!!

But if you are not willing to see this, there really isn't much more I can say is there

 

[stuart lawrence]

Show me what I misunderstand.

bugkiller

The law placed within you CANNOT condemn you, it I not placed within you to condemn you.

I will write my laws in their minds and place them on their hearts

You have the law
BUT

Their sins and lawless deeds I will remember NO MORE

All your sins are paid for, Jesus stands before the Father as a once and for all time sacrifice for the sins of those who come to God through him

 

[stuart lawrence]

Jesus did not die to abolish the law, he died to abolish a law of righteousness which means you cannot be condemned for sin. He died to remove the penalty of sin from you, the penalty got abolished, the law got placed in your heart

 

[stuart lawrence]

The law comes in two parts. The law itself and the attached penalty for transgression.
The penalty got removed, no condemnation, the law God desires you to keep got transferred onto you heart.
The problem is, many become christians and believe the penalty I still there. Jesus only died to wipe the slate clean at the point of conversion. Not true!

 

[bugkiller]

The law us not placed within you to condemn you, for:
Your sins and lawless deeds will be remembered no more.

Look "the law" we talk about here on this forum is the law issued at Sinai. BobRyan insists this law written on the heart is the law issued at Sinai. He bases his claim on the last third of the sentence found in Jer 31:33.

By the law being on your heart you in your heart want to live as God desires you to live, what's wrong with that?

Perhaps it is your use of words. You nor anyone else can locate any post belonging to me indicating a free pass to sin. You can find plenty pro law people trying to put such words in my mouth.

The only time you suffer from that law if you like is when you follow after the flesh rather than the Spirit, then your conscience gets seered for you are going against what is in your heart wilfully. But it still doesn't bring condemnation. But it will bring you to your senses and before God seeking his forgiveness when you err, for you will have no rest, and no peace until you do seek his forgiveness. The law on your heart cuts out a licence to sin under grace. Jesus died for you, if God didn't put the law within you, you would have a licence to sin under grace. By the law being there no christian can happily sin without conscience. That's a good thing, not bad[/QUOTE]

 

[stuart lawrence]

Look "the law" we talk about here on this forum is the law issued at Sinai. BobRyan insists this law written on the heart is the law issued at Sinai. He bases his claim on the last third of the sentence found in Jer 31:33. Perhaps it is your use of words. You nor anyone else can locate any post belonging to me indicating a free pass to sin. You can find plenty pro law people trying to put such words in my mouth.

The only time you suffer from that law if you like is when you follow after the flesh rather than the Spirit, then your conscience gets seered for you are going against what is in your heart wilfully. But it still doesn't bring condemnation. But it will bring you to your senses and before God seeking his forgiveness when you err, for you will have no rest, and no peace until you do seek his forgiveness. The law on your heart cuts out a licence to sin under grace. Jesus died for you, if God didn't put the law within you, you would have a licence to sin under grace. By the law being there no christian can happily sin without conscience. That's a good thing, not bad

[/QUOTE]
I have not indicated to you I hope that i believe you seek a licence to sin. If you think I inferred That I'm sorry.
Jesus died for your past, present and future sins( I get attacked for stating this) if the NC only hinged on that one core fact, what is to stop us all running after the flesh? We have a saviour from our sins. But if the law is on your heart, it is impossible for you to run after the flesh as happily as you like without conscience, for when you go against what is placed I your heart your conscience is seered.
In your heart you don't want to commit adultery, steal, covet, bear false witness do you? God put That desire not to within you. The problem is, your flesh did not get born again. Sometimes we all follow after the flesh for none are perfect, when we do, the law in our hearts seers our consciences. We cannot happily sin as much as we like. You have no rest, or peace until you, me and every other believer comes before God and seeks his forgiveness. You don't seek forgiveness so you don't be cast into hell, but you want your peace back and healthy relationship restored