Jesus' commandments - opposed to His Fathers Commandments? - Really?

[Bob S]

Bugkiller

I'm going to be honest with you.
Bu
Bugkiller
I'm going to be honest with you. I tire of these sites at times. The only commandment that matters to many is:
Thou shalt not admit to error.

Ha! and how do people relate to people who never have on this site, that I have seen, admitted to any error?

Law is written on the mind and placed on the heart of the believer.

What law? Stuart's law?

The believer knows what that law is for they are conscious they sin when they break it. And however people want to rationalise it, a christian is conscious they sin if they, steal, commit adultery, bear false witness, covet, murder etc.

Paul wrote:
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

If one has not been brought to Christ then the law is there to convict. Once we believe Jesus gives us the Holy Spirit and places it in our hearts. It is not Stuart's laws or Ellen White's laws it is the Spirit of love convicting us to treat our fellow man as Jesus has treated us.


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Now if people want to be childish and start arguing about law from the TC not being written in the mind and placed on the heart of the believer,

Go argue with Paul, we only quoted what he has told us from the Holy Writ. You instead want to play Stuart's way.

and then start picking out random scriptures to try and oppose the plain truth, I'm not willing to play such immature games.

Oh yes Stuart's immature games are the only ones accepted in dealing with
Stuart.

Yes Stuart I have taken a stand and I will call you out when you try to tell others things that are opposed to scripture. Some are here to defend the real truth and we will continue to do so, so make sure you know, from scripture, what you are talking about.

2Cor3:7-11
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was (past tense) glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was,

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness!

10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory.
11 For if that which is DONE AWAY was glorious, much more that which remaineth (the Holy Spirit) is glorious.
11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!
If, as Paul wrote in the above verses, the ministry of death,10 commandments were done away then pray tell us just how they could be what is written on our hearts. The forth command told the Israelites to observe the seventh-day. My heart has never ever pricked me to try to keep any day.

 

[Bob S]

Bugkiller

I'm going to be honest with you.
Bu
Bugkiller
I'm going to be honest with you. I tire of these sites at times. The only commandment that matters to many is:
Thou shalt not admit to error.

Ha! and how do people relate to people who never have on this site, that I have seen, admitted to any error?

Law is written on the mind and placed on the heart of the believer.

What law? Stuart's law?

The believer knows what that law is for they are conscious they sin when they break it. And however people want to rationalise it, a christian is conscious they sin if they, steal, commit adultery, bear false witness, covet, murder etc.

Paul wrote:
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

If one has not been brought to Christ then the law is there to convict. Once we believe Jesus gives us the Holy Spirit and places it in our hearts. It is not Stuart's laws or Ellen White's laws it is the Spirit of love convicting us to treat our fellow man as Jesus has treated us.


.

Now if people want to be childish and start arguing about law from the TC not being written in the mind and placed on the heart of the believer,

Go argue with Paul, we only quoted what he has told us from the Holy Writ. You instead want to play Stuart's way.

and then start picking out random scriptures to try and oppose the plain truth, I'm not willing to play such immature games.

Oh yes Stuart's immature games are the only ones accepted in dealing with
Stuart.

Yes Stuart I have taken a stand and I will call you out when you try to tell others things that are opposed to scripture. Some are here to defend the real truth and we will continue to do so, so make sure you know, from scripture, what you are talking about.

2Cor3:7-11
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was (past tense) glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was,

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness!

10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory.
11 For if that which is DONE AWAY was glorious, much more that which remaineth (the Holy Spirit) is glorious.
11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!
If, as Paul wrote in the above verses, the ministry of death,10 commandments were done away then pray tell us just how they could be what is written on our hearts. The forth command told the Israelites to observe the seventh-day. My heart has never ever pricked me to try to keep any day.

 

[Bob S]

Bugkiller

I'm going to be honest with you.
Bu
Bugkiller
I'm going to be honest with you. I tire of these sites at times. The only commandment that matters to many is:
Thou shalt not admit to error.

Ha! and how do people relate to people who never have on this site, that I have seen, admitted to any error?

Law is written on the mind and placed on the heart of the believer.

What law? Stuart's law?

The believer knows what that law is for they are conscious they sin when they break it. And however people want to rationalise it, a christian is conscious they sin if they, steal, commit adultery, bear false witness, covet, murder etc.

Paul wrote:
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

If one has not been brought to Christ then the law is there to convict. Once we believe Jesus gives us the Holy Spirit and places it in our hearts. It is not Stuart's laws or Ellen White's laws it is the Spirit of love convicting us to treat our fellow man as Jesus has treated us.


.

Now if people want to be childish and start arguing about law from the TC not being written in the mind and placed on the heart of the believer,

Go argue with Paul, we only quoted what he has told us from the Holy Writ. You instead want to play Stuart's way.

and then start picking out random scriptures to try and oppose the plain truth, I'm not willing to play such immature games.

Oh yes Stuart's immature games are the only ones accepted in dealing with
Stuart.

Yes Stuart I have taken a stand and I will call you out when you try to tell others things that are opposed to scripture. Some are here to defend the real truth and we will continue to do so, so make sure you know, from scripture, what you are talking about.

2Cor3:7-11
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was (past tense) glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was,

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness!

10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory.
11 For if that which is DONE AWAY was glorious, much more that which remaineth (the Holy Spirit) is glorious.
11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!
If, as Paul wrote in the above verses, the ministry of death,10 commandments were done away then pray tell us just how they could be what is written on our hearts. The forth command told the Israelites to observe the seventh-day. My heart has never ever pricked me to try to keep any day.

 

[Bob S]

Now I cannot ever report that there is something wrong when we try to post

 

[stuart lawrence]

Ha! and how do people relate to people who never have on this site, that I have seen, admitted to any error?


What law? Stuart's law?


Paul wrote:
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

If one has not been brought to Christ then the law is there to convict. Once we believe Jesus gives us the Holy Spirit and places it in our hearts. It is not Stuart's laws or Ellen White's laws it is the Spirit of love convicting us to treat our fellow man as Jesus has treated us.


.
Go argue with Paul, we only quoted what he has told us from the Holy Writ. You instead want to play Stuart's way.


Oh yes Stuart's immature games are the only ones accepted in dealing with
Stuart.

Yes Stuart I have taken a stand and I will call you out when you try to tell others things that are opposed to scripture. Some are here to defend the real truth and we will continue to do so, so make sure you know, from scripture, what you are talking about.

2Cor3:7-11
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was (past tense) glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was,

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness!

10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory.
11 For if that which is DONE AWAY was glorious, much more that which remaineth (the Holy Spirit) is glorious.
11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!
If, as Paul wrote in the above verses, the ministry of death,10 commandments were done away then pray tell us just how they could be what is written on our hearts. The forth command told the Israelites to observe the seventh-day. My heart has never ever pricked me to try to keep any day.

I'm afraid you do what many do. Simply ignore the irrefutable proof you are shown, quote some scripture with inaccurate understanding, and claim you have proved you are right.
Happens all the time!

 

[stuart lawrence]

For those who are prepared to see, the TC were the ministry of death and condemnation due to the attached penalty for breaking them.
Under the OC observing the law was considered a persons righteousness ( deut6:25) under the NC a persons righteousness is faith in Christ( rom3:21&22)

Therefore the penalty attached to the law was removed for Christians, fir Christ is their saviour from sin/ transgression of the law

Therefore, the ministry of death and condemnation Is removed whilst the perfect, holy and righteous law of God is placed on tablets of human hearts
However for some:

They may be ever seeing but never perceiving
And ever hearing but never understanding
Mark4:12

 

[bugkiller]

Bugkiller

I'm going to be honest with you.
Bu
Bugkiller
I'm going to be honest with you. I tire of these sites at times. The only commandment that matters to many is:
Thou shalt not admit to error.

Law is written on the mind and placed on the heart of the believer. The believer knows what that law is for they are conscious they sin when they break it. And however people want to rationalise it, a christian is conscious they sin if they, steal, commit adultery, bear false witness, covet, murder etc.
Now if people want to be childish and start arguing about law from the TC not being written in the mind and placed on the heart of the believer, and then start picking out random scriptures to try and oppose the plain truth, I'm not willing to play such immature games. You told me i don't understand the purpose of the law. Clearly you believe you know far more spiritual truth than I am blessed in knowing, just be happy you think that is the case and we will leave it at that

One of those purposes is brought out in Rom 11:32. And yes there are more. The first one that comes to mind is Rom 4:15. Transgression and sin are not always the same thing depending on context. An example would be Rom 5:13 and Gal 3:!9.

You can talk about being childish all you want. You directly contradict Jer 31:31 and 32 in your childish statement.

bugkiller

 

[stuart lawrence]

One of those purposes is brought out in Rom 11:32. And yes there are more. The first one that comes to mind is Rom 4:15. Transgression and sin are not always the same thing depending on context. An example would be Rom 5:13 and Gal 3:!9.

You can talk about being childish all you want. You directly contradict Jer 31:31 and 32 in your childish statement.

bugkiller

Hi bugkiller

Thanks for you input.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Sin is( not was) the transgression of the law
1john3:4

The time is coming when I will make a NEW covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah
It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant though i was a husband to them declares the Lord.
This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time declares the Lord
I will put my laws in their minds
And write it on their hearts

Jeremiah 31:31-33

Because law brings wrath and where there is no law there is no transgression
Rom4:15

No law of righteousness, its gone. Law unto righteousness brings wrath for you cannot attain to the passmark under it to be truly righteous, which is, 100% perfect obedience

What then was the purpose of the law? It was given because of transgression until the seed to whom the promise referred had come
Gal3:19

No more system of observe the written law unto righteousness. The Christian lives by faith in Christ, and relies on sanctification by the Spirit, through the gifts of the Spirit in their lives( gal5:22)
Against such fruit there is no law, for the fruits of the Spirit are the embodiment of how God wants you to live.
The law within you, brings you in your heart to want to live as God desires you to. But you don't focus on it to live a holy life, you look to Christ.
But that law within you cuts out a licence to sin under grace. Look to the flesh, rather than follow after the Holy Spirit and your conscience must be seered for you are then going against what is placed in your heart

 

[bugkiller]

Genesis 4 -- Murder is in "The LAW" as God tells Cain he is contemplating "sin".
Genesis 7 - clean and unclean animal distinctions in "The LAW" -

Genesis 6 - so much LAW there there that the sin of mankind is sooooo great -- must destroy the entire planet.

Genesis 26:5
5 because Abraham obeyed Me and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes and My laws.”

You recently posted II TIM 3:16, therefore the following must be Scripture -

Deut 4:13
Deut 5:1-21 especially v 3 which flat out disproves your claim.

Paul says the law came 430 years after Abraham.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

??

You really do not know? Really? So why are posting about it?

bugkiller

 

[stuart lawrence]

You really do not know? Really? So why are posting about it?

bugkiller

Why don't you write a post expounding on scripture, more than just a couple of sentences.
Of course, you run the risk of people picking bits out of what you write and offering criticism in a couple of brief lines, but you wont mind that, you do it all the time.
People who understand the message, themselves expound on it. They don't just find fault with what others write

 

[bugkiller]

I'm afraid you do what many do. Simply ignore the irrefutable proof you are shown, quote some scripture with inaccurate understanding, and claim you have proved you are right.
Happens all the time!

It is only irrefutable because you do not wish to be reasonable and can not win over the Scripture. Simply put you do not have a valid argument based on Scripture, therefore you rely on the above type of posts for defense.

bugkiller

 

[stuart lawrence]

It is only irrefutable because you do not wish to be reasonable and can not win over the Scripture. Simply put you do not have a valid argument based on Scripture, therefore you rely on the above type of posts for defense.

bugkiller

Simply put, you cant refute the fact:
THROUGH the law we become conscious of sin.
If you tell me you are never conscious of sin, I will respond by asking you if you have been born again.
And why are you only finding fault with what others write?
Why not do some exegesis yourself?

 

[bugkiller]

For those who are prepared to see, the TC were the ministry of death and condemnation due to the attached penalty for breaking them.
Under the OC observing the law was considered a persons righteousness ( deut6:25) under the NC a persons righteousness is faith in Christ( rom3:21&22)

Therefore the penalty attached to the law was removed for Christians, fir Christ is their saviour from sin/ transgression of the law

Therefore, the ministry of death and condemnation Is removed whilst the perfect, holy and righteous law of God is placed on tablets of human hearts
However for some:

They may be ever seeing but never perceiving
And ever hearing but never understanding
Mark4:12

Jer 31:31-33
LK 16:16; 24:44
JN 1:17; 15:10

Notice I did not reference the detested and dreaded Paul. I do not need to.

bugkiller

 

[stuart lawrence]

Jer 31:31-33
LK 16:16; 24:44
JN 1:17; 15:10

Notice I did not reference the detested and dreaded Paul. I do not need to.

bugkiller

Pauls brilliant. The greatest message preached since Christ walked this earth.

I will reference him:

Christ Is the end of the law, unto righteousness( not full stop)
Rom10:4

 

[stuart lawrence]

Jer 31:31-33
LK 16:16; 24:44
JN 1:17; 15:10

Notice I did not reference the detested and dreaded Paul. I do not need to.

bugkiller

Glad you referenced the fact under the new covenant God writes his laws on the mind and places them on the hearts of believers.
Well done

 

[bugkiller]

Sin is( not was) the transgression of the law
1john3:4

Did the law invent sin? no because of Rom 5:13 and Gal 3:19. Furthermore Deut 5:3 clearly says Abraham did not have the law issued at Sinai. You only quote the last half of a verse (sentence) to promote a lie.

The time is coming when I will make a NEW covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah
It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant though i was a husband to them declares the Lord.
This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time declares the Lord
I will put my laws in their minds
And write it on their hearts

Jeremiah 31:31-33

AND you even quote evidence against your POV. WOW, just WOW!!
That covenant was written on two tablets of stone according to Deut 4:13.

Because law brings wrath and where there is no law there is no transgression
Rom4:15

No law of righteousness, its gone. Law unto righteousness brings wrath for you cannot attain to the passmark under it to be truly righteous, which is, 100% perfect obedience

If the above is supposed to be commentary on Rom 4:15 I see no correlation. IOW what you offer is plain gibberish.

What then was the purpose of the law? It was given because of transgression until the seed to whom the promise referred had come
Gal3:19

No more system of observe the written law unto righteousness. The Christian lives by faith in Christ, and relies on sanctification by the Spirit, through the gifts of the Spirit in their lives( gal5:22)
Against such fruit there is no law, for the fruits of the Spirit are the embodiment of how God wants you to live.
The law within you, brings you in your heart to want to live as God desires you to. But you don't focus on it to live a holy life, you look to Christ.
But that law within you cuts out a licence to sin under grace. Look to the flesh, rather than follow after the Holy Spirit and your conscience must be seered for you are then going against what is placed in your heart

And that law is not the 10 Cs per Jer 31:31-33.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Why don't you write a post expounding on scripture, more than just a couple of sentences.
Of course, you run the risk of people picking bits out of what you write and offering criticism in a couple of brief lines, but you wont mind that, you do it all the time.
People who understand the message, themselves expound on it. They don't just find fault with what others write

I used to do exactly that. You want to argue about everything even the verses you and BobRyan post. You do not want to discuss them either. Sorry you do not like my short posts which are hard to argue with because there is no confusion.

If you change you MO I will change mine.

bugkiller

 

[stuart lawrence]

Did the law invent sin? no because of Rom 5:13 and Gal 3:19. Furthermore Deut 5:3 clearly says Abraham did not have the law issued at Sinai. You only quote the last half of a verse (sentence) to promote a lie.AND you even quote evidence against your POV. WOW, just WOW!!
That covenant was written on two tablets of stone according to Deut 4:13.If the above is supposed to be commentary on Rom 4:15 I see no correlation. IOW what you offer is plain gibberish.And that law is not the 10 Cs per Jer 31:31-33.

bugkiller

I used to have your views you know on this subject. I see properly now.

There's no point in responding to what you wrote, clearly you have little grasp on this subject.
Heres Paul again:
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid, yea, we establish the law
Rom3:31

Hmmmmm

 

[stuart lawrence]

I used to do exactly that. You want to argue about everything even the verses you and BobRyan post. You do not want to discuss them either. Sorry you do not like my short posts which are hard to argue with because there is no confusion.

bugkiller

Do we make void the law through faith?
God forbid. We establish the law
Rom3:31