3 "phobic" VALUES OF GOD

[Douglas Hendrickson]

There are 3 values of God that many people like to label "phobias," i.e. mental diseases.

1. Islamophobia - being AGAINST ISLAM.
2. Homophobia - being AGAINST PERVERSION.
3. Xenophobia - being AGAINST IMMIGRATION.

Because all the false accusations, that being against these things is disease (or at least like unto mental diseases), do not seem to be capable of being overthrown, that the language incorporating them is becoming ever more entrenched, it seems necessary to endorse them, take them up as one's own, in order to overcome them.

Hence the necessity to insist these values are very godly, that the godly person will endorse these values. (And the people who enjoy beating up people with these fake names of supposedly irrational fears are quite anti-God.)

Perhaps there is some inherent truth in the "phobic" designation, in that those very concerned for God, who love God greatly, will "get all upset by" recognizing these things are against the will of God and hence we should be (in the present context of language usage) islamophobic, homophobic, and xenophobic?

 

[JacquelineDeane55]

More propaganda from the liberal left, that's all it is.

 

[Douglas Hendrickson]

More propaganda from the liberal left, that's all it is.

Are you accusing me of being liberal left?

What I am trying to overcome is liberal left propaganda - will what I suggest work?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

There are 3 values of God that many people like to label "phobias," i.e. mental diseases.

1. Islamophobia - being AGAINST ISLAM.
2. Homophobia - being AGAINST PERVERSION.
3. Xenophobia - being AGAINST IMMIGRATION.

Because all the false accusations, that being against these things is disease (or at least like unto mental diseases), do not seem to be capable of being overthrown, that the language incorporating them is becoming ever more entrenched, it seems necessary to endorse them, take them up as one's own, in order to overcome them.

Hence the necessity to insist these values are very godly, that the godly person will endorse these values. (And the people who enjoy beating up people with these fake names of supposedly irrational fears are quite anti-God.)

Perhaps there is some inherent truth in the "phobic" designation, in that those very concerned for God, who love God greatly, will "get all upset by" recognizing these things are against the will of God and hence we should be (in the present context of language usage) islamophobic, homophobic, and xenophobic?

"Phobia" means 'fear of," not 'being against.' So.....................................?

 

[SnowyMacie]

As someone who has actually been homophobic in the sense of being actually afraid of gay people, there is a massive difference between simply thinking that homosexual acts are sinful and being afraid of gay people. One of them is an acceptable and the traditional view of the church, the other is bigotry and hatred.

That's why I hate how much these terms are thrown around these days, because the two completely different positions of being opposed to something and being afraid of something have become incorrectly lumped together.

 

[com7fy8]

Islamophobia > I understand that Jesus does not have us fear Islam or terrorists who claim to be Muslims. But we see people to be wrong, to deny that Jesus is the Son of God, and Islam does not honor Jesus as we honor our Father > Jesus says >

"'For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.'" (John 5:22-23)

It is well known how there are Muslims who have a phobia against honoring Jesus the Messiah who came through the Jews.

And terrorists are defeated by the blood of Jesus, no matter what religious label they put on themselves. Jesus is kind to people; Jesus does not just kill people because they do not do things His way. And Jesus has us also loving any and all people; but we do point out how people are wrong to not obey Jesus > they are missing out on how they could have "rest for your souls." (in Matthew 11:28-30)

Not only Muslims and terrorists have a phobia of obeying Jesus; many people even claim to be Christian but they do not have His rest, but instead of being deeply and pleasantly quiet with God in His peace ruling them (Colossians 3:15), they are violated by boredom and loneliness and dominating and dictatorial drives for foolish and even deadly pleasures. And they do not have strength, also, against nasty and dominating anger and unforgiveness and bitterness and fears and their various torments.

But God's love casts out fear and its personality torment >

"There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love." (1 John 4:18)

About homophobia > Jesus does not fear homosexuals. Jesus died on the cross, so that any and all wrong people may receive forgiveness. So, it is discrimination to promote that gays can not be forgiven . . . or to promote that they do not need forgiveness, while other wrong people do need forgiveness. People are not loving gays, by saying gays do not need forgiveness; this discrimination by so-called liberals is helping to keep gays from being forgiven. And unforgiveness against gays can keep a person from being forgiven, oneself; the Bible is very clear that if you do not forgive wrong people, then you will not be forgiven; so if you promote that wrong people do not need forgiveness, then you are helping to keep wrong people from being forgiven!! And this unforgiveness can cost you forgiveness, yourself.

Jesus wants us to have forgiveness ready for any and all people, plus to have hope for how God is easily able to change any of us out of any evil stuff. No matter what you problem is, deep-down inside . . . no matter how it seems impossible to deal with . . . no matter how afraid or ashamed you are of it > Jesus can deal with it and make it go away, and He can give us His own "rest for your souls", instead (Matthew 11:28-30) of that love-dead stuff witch has us mainly about using other people, loving those we can use.

God is easily able to cure us of any sin problem and its torments; His grace is almighty in us. So, it is foolish to worship excuses witch this world's religious and other people have been promoting.

Xenophobic > this obviously is not Christian. Jesus loves any and all people. If we love others as ourselves, I trust, we will learn other people's languages, in order to share with them and encourage them to be our Jesus family. And our Apostle Paul says, "I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some." This is in 1 Corinthians 9:19-23, where Paul said he became like Jews in order to reach Jews, and like Gentiles in order to reach Gentiles, and he became like the weak in order to reach the weak. So, I see it is Biblical how we make an effort to share with people of other countries and languages, including by enjoying and sharing their languages.

Babies have grown up to fluently speak every language of the earth. So, yes you can learn any other language! Be as a little child, like Jesus says to be, and enjoy learning whatever you can, learning in the way of family loving, like little babies d.

 

[miamited]

HI doug,

I must agree with most of the responses that you've gotten so far. 'Phobic' is not the correct word or attitude that a born again believer should have towards sin, other than themselves being caught up in sin. There is no reason for any born again believer to be fearful of another's sin. We should certainly stand against any and all sin, not just these three that you've mentioned, but not in any fearful manner, but rather just understanding that these are sins against our God and Creator. These are all things that God has asked His children not to do. What someone else does or the world at large is just what they will do.

I think the Scriptures are quite clear that as we move inexorably closer to the final days of this realm as it is, that these things will become greater and more pervasive upon the earth. Paul writes of this happening in the opening of his letter to the Romans. He cautions Timothy that the time is coming when even those in the fellowships will want to surround themselves with those who tell them what their itching ears want to hear.

I think we should take the attitude that Jesus seemed to have with sinners. Understand that they are lost and living in or struggling with sin. Understand that they are just like any born again believer once was. Therefore, have compassion and a sadness of heart for their place. Asking God's forgiveness for they just don't understand. Their minds have not yet been opened to the truth and they have held to '666' in their understanding and beliefs.

I don't fear anyone who engages in any sin. Why should I? Their sin does not taint me. As Jesus said about food, it's not what goes into the body that makes a man unclean. It's what comes from the heart inside of that man. Similarly, it's not what I see others doing around me that makes me a sinner. It's what I think and do myself. As for those who are caught up in sin, I have compassion for them because they just don't understand the consequences that are to be delivered to them on the day of God's judgment. They don't understand 'truth' as I understand 'truth'.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

 

[brightlights]

There are 3 values of God that many people like to label "phobias," i.e. mental diseases.

1. Islamophobia - being AGAINST ISLAM.
2. Homophobia - being AGAINST PERVERSION.
3. Xenophobia - being AGAINST IMMIGRATION.

Because all the false accusations, that being against these things is disease (or at least like unto mental diseases), do not seem to be capable of being overthrown, that the language incorporating them is becoming ever more entrenched, it seems necessary to endorse them, take them up as one's own, in order to overcome them.

Hence the necessity to insist these values are very godly, that the godly person will endorse these values. (And the people who enjoy beating up people with these fake names of supposedly irrational fears are quite anti-God.)

Perhaps there is some inherent truth in the "phobic" designation, in that those very concerned for God, who love God greatly, will "get all upset by" recognizing these things are against the will of God and hence we should be (in the present context of language usage) islamophobic, homophobic, and xenophobic?

I'm against Islam because it is heretical and demonic. I'm also against homosexuality because it is sinful. But I don't see any biblical principles that would make a person patently against immigration. Where are you getting that third one from?

 

[Strivax]

So, I come at this from this angle. Jesus told us to love our neighbour as ourselves*, and cited a Samaritan, an enemy of the Jews, as his example of a neighbour. So, I consider it my mission to love people different than me, whatever their religion, sexuality, nationality, or just general 'foriegnness'. That is how I read the scriptures, that I should do good to them, irrespective of our differences.

Best wishes, Strivax.

*Matthew 22:39 KJV

 

[SPF]

Douglas, I'm surprised at how obviously you misused the term Phobia. From previous discussions, definitions and accuracy seems important to you. A phobia is "a persistent, irrational fear of a specific object, activity, or situation that leads to a compelling desire to avoid it."

Can you provide any Biblical support for the notion that as Christians we should be phobic about anything?

 

[Douglas Hendrickson]

Douglas, I'm surprised at how obviously you misused the term Phobia. From previous discussions, definitions and accuracy seems important to you. A phobia is "a persistent, irrational fear of a specific object, activity, or situation that leads to a compelling desire to avoid it."

Can you provide any Biblical support for the notion that as Christians we should be phobic about anything?

THE DIFFERENCE IS, it seems to be like an irrational fear. That is how the "phobic" claim actually works.

And it may be true.

Does not mean it IS an irrational fear.

 

[Douglas Hendrickson]

So, I come at this from this angle. Jesus told us to love our neighbour as ourselves*, and cited a Samaritan, an enemy of the Jews, as his example of a neighbour. So, I consider it my mission to love people different than me, whatever their religion, sexuality, nationality, or just general 'foriegnness'. That is how I read the scriptures, that I should do good to them, irrespective of our differences.

Best wishes, Strivax.

*Matthew 22:39 KJV

Is a neighbor a neighbor? Of a neighbor to himself?

I thought Scripture says the one who pulled the guy out of the ditch was the neighbor. Truly a neighbor.
Note also he came upon, did not go out in search of some stranger.
So anyway, just because the one was neighbor to the other, was the other neighbor to the first. Remember what Scripture says is the one who was neighbor SERVED.
I'm pretty sure you can find indications in Scripture that THE NEIGHBOR IS NEARBY.

 

[John 1720]

There are 3 values of God that many people like to label "phobias," i.e. mental diseases.

1. Islamophobia - being AGAINST ISLAM.
2. Homophobia - being AGAINST PERVERSION.
3. Xenophobia - being AGAINST IMMIGRATION.

Because all the false accusations, that being against these things is disease (or at least like unto mental diseases), do not seem to be capable of being overthrown, that the language incorporating them is becoming ever more entrenched, it seems necessary to endorse them, take them up as one's own, in order to overcome them.

Hence the necessity to insist these values are very godly, that the godly person will endorse these values. (And the people who enjoy beating up people with these fake names of supposedly irrational fears are quite anti-God.)

Perhaps there is some inherent truth in the "phobic" designation, in that those very concerned for God, who love God greatly, will "get all upset by" recognizing these things are against the will of God and hence we should be (in the present context of language usage) islamophobic, homophobic, and xenophobic?

As Christians we should not be phobic about anything.

• 1 John 4:18 states:

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love.
If we are truly indwelled by the Holy Spirit we are to identify sin as a poison that has the power to kill you but we are also to pray for all and love all, just as Jesus did for us; for we too are sinners who fell short of the glory of God.

• John 16:7-11

So identifying the toxins that destroy life, falsehoods, idolatry, and perversion as well as speaking to all of the warning of God's judgment to come in order to save lives is an important MO for all Christians in all cultures Christ has manifested Himself in. But we are not here to judge them in the here and now if they do not know the Lord. If they do not know the Lord they have no antidote for the poison that is killing them and they probably will never have any power over the sin they carry. Christians are not here to reform sinners but bring people to the knowledge of Christ who will transform them from within.
All sinner pervert the sacredness of the life we have been given. We see our perversion ever more clearly in Jesus' actions and words and especially in His love for us. In His love we realize how sacred and holy life is meant to be. Our task is then to fall in love with Jesus and be transformed by His Spirit within us.

In Christ, Pat

 

[Douglas Hendrickson]

I'm against Islam because it is heretical and demonic. I'm also against homosexuality because it is sinful. But I don't see any biblical principles that would make a person patently against immigration. Where are you getting that third one from?

One point: way I see it, it is NOTHING SPIRITUAL. It is flesh for flesh - going for better ways from the immigrant point of view, to provide for flesh. OF THE FLESH, NOT OF GOD (the Spirit).

The guy lying in the ditch for the Good Samaritan is a good sample. He was obviously FAR AWAY from his home and look what happened to him!

 

[Douglas Hendrickson]

As Christians we should not be phobic about anything.

• 1 John 4:18 states:

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love.
If we are truly indwelled by the Holy Spirit we are to identify sin as a poison that has the power to kill you but we are also to pray for all and love all, just as Jesus did for us; for we too are sinners who fell short of the glory of God.

• John 16:7-11

So identifying the toxins that destroy life, falsehoods, idolatry, and perversion as well as speaking to all of the warning of God's judgment to come in order to save lives is an important MO for all Christians in all cultures Christ has manifested Himself in. But we are not here to judge them in the here and now if they do not know the Lord. If they do not know the Lord they have no antidote for the poison that is killing them and they probably will never have any power over the sin they carry. Christians are not here to reform sinners but bring people to the knowledge of Christ who will transform them from within.
All sinner pervert the sacredness of the life we have been given. We see our perversion ever more clearly in Jesus' actions and words and especially in His love for us. In His love we realize how sacred and holy life is meant to be. Our task is then to fall in love with Jesus and be transformed by His Spirit within us.

In Christ, Pat

Hi Pat, ALL SIN IS SIN AGAINST LOVE? How does that idea fit in I wonder?

So for instance, if we are too mired in sin, can there be any love?

GOD IS LOVE - where sin is total there is not God.

 

[SPF]

THE DIFFERENCE IS, it seems to be like an irrational fear. That is how the "phobic" claim actually works.

And it may be true.

Does not mean it IS an irrational fear.

I missed the part in the definition that says what you did. Pick any definition of phobia that you want and I don't see how you can claim that Scripture teaches that we should ascribe to it.

Webster: an exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear of a particular object, class of objects, or situation.

Dictionary.com: a persistent, irrational fear of a specific object, activity, or situation that leads to a compelling desire to avoid it.

Given either of the definitions above, the obvious answer is NO. God does not want us to suffer phobia of anything. Sometimes it's OK to go back and rethink the logic of ones post.

 

[brightlights]

One point: way I see it, it is NOTHING SPIRITUAL. It is flesh for flesh - going for better ways from the immigrant point of view, to provide for flesh. OF THE FLESH, NOT OF GOD (the Spirit).

The guy lying in the ditch for the Good Samaritan is a good sample. He was obviously FAR AWAY from his home and look what happened to him!

How do you know that the victim in the Good Samaritan story was far from his home?

 

[SPF]

Well the man was coming from Jerusalem to Jericho... Jericho is something like 15 miles to the NE of Jerusalem and 8 miles west of the Jordan river... so it would have been a bit of a walk.

 

[Douglas Hendrickson]

How do you know that the victim in the Good Samaritan story was far from his home?

Went from Jerusalem to Jericho, apparently, however far that was.
I think rather far in those days.

 

[brightlights]

Went from Jerusalem to Jericho, apparently, however far that was.
I think rather far in those days.

Maybe a few hours walk. How do you know where he was from?

Are you saying that its sinful to travel outside of the city that we live in?