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I heard a Bishop of the Church of England (Continuing) refer to Hannah's prayer as The First Magnificat.
I would loved to have heard his services! Hannah's story has always fascinated me to want to study all I could about her.

Her faith was so out-there without any aide of angels or anything except for answered prayer to inspire her on.

It'll be a challenge go into detail without getting bogged down in scripture myself. I'd love to just make her story flow. And there's so much history in the rest of Samuel too. I'm excited!
 
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I would loved to have heard his services!
Whereabouts in the country do you live, Cassia? I heard this Bishop in Finchley, but he can be heard on a regular basis at St Mary's Episcopal Chapel, Castle Street, Reading. Some of his sermons there can be downloaded from Sermons - St Mary's Castle Street.
 
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Whereabouts in the country do you live, Cassia? I heard this Bishop in Finchley, but he can be heard on a regular basis at St Mary's Episcopal Chapel, Castle Street, Reading. Some of his sermons there can be downloaded from Sermons - St Mary's Castle Street.
I live in Canada but thanks for the link. If he had a sermon specifically I would download it. It's not often I've heard a sermon about her.
 
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The vow of a Nazarite involved these three things,
(1.) abstinence from wine and strong drink,
It was more extensive than that. It meant avoidance of anything from the grapevine.

Num 6.3 he shall abstain from wine and strong drink; he shall drink no vinegar, whether made from wine or strong drink, nor shall he drink any grape juice nor eat fresh or dried grapes.

In practice that meant not even eating stuffed grape leaves. (which I love)
 
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When the period of the continuance of the vow came to an end, the Nazarite had to present himself at the door of the sanctuary with
(1.) a he lamb of the first year for a burnt-offering,
(2.) a ewe lamb of the first year for a sin-offering, and
(3.) a ram for a peace-offering.

Correct. This was what was going on in Acts 21 when Paul came to Jerusalem. The four men James mentioned were ending their Nazirite vows. (commonly called in that day "the vow") Paul also had to finish discharging a nazirite vow himself which was cut short in chapter 18 when he was in Cenchria.

Acts 18:18 Paul, having remained many days longer, took leave of the brethren and put out to sea for Syria, and with him were Priscilla and Aquila. In Cenchrea he had his hair cut, for he was keeping a vow.

The reason his hair was not cut at the Temple was probably due to accidentally coming into contact with a dead body.

Num 6.9 ‘But if a man dies very suddenly beside him and he defiles his dedicated head of hair, then he shall shave his head on the day when he becomes clean; he shall shave it on the seventh day.
 
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A couple of points perhaps relevant to this thread:
1. Hannah's prayer isn't the only Old Testament prayer to foreshadow one in the New: You might like to compare Hezekiah's prayer with that of the Church in Acts 4.
2. Hannah isn't the only foreshadower of Mary the Mother of Jesus: There's the person who said "What he saith to you do" (Gen 41:55, John 2:5 - Though probably the last of his line, devoid of "blessings of the womb" {which would be indicated by a New King Arising over Egypt that knew not Joseph. To me, "a new king" implies a new dynasty}, this Pharaoh may well have received a better, eternal blessing. After all, how many people did Jacob bless).
 
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It was more extensive than that. It meant avoidance of anything from the grapevine.

Num 6.3 he shall abstain from wine and strong drink; he shall drink no vinegar, whether made from wine or strong drink, nor shall he drink any grape juice nor eat fresh or dried grapes.

In practice that meant not even eating stuffed grape leaves. (which I love)
What! No dolmates :swoon: Thank goodness it was the symbolic meaning of what is to be from the heart.
BUT, it seems to me that it's the fermentation process that may have been dangerous at that time that God's protection covers.
 
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BUT, it seems to me that it's the fermentation process that may have been dangerous at that time that God's protection covers.
Then why were fresh grapes and raisins included?
 
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Good point. Do you believe that when Paul vowed that he was treading the line between old and new?
Not really. It boils down to the issue brought up at the First Jerusalem council in Acts 15 - which exempted GENTILE converts from following the Law of Moses. It did NOT include Jews who came to faith in Messiah. They still had (and HAVE) to follow the Law in a New Covenant way.

Paul making a Nazirite vow, and paying for the animal sacrifices for other New Covenant Jews ending their Nazirite vows, made himself a living example that even in the New Covenant Jews are to follow the Law.
 
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Not really. It boils down to the issue brought up at the First Jerusalem council in Acts 15 - which exempted GENTILE converts from following the Law of Moses. It did NOT include Jews who came to faith in Messiah. They still had (and HAVE) to follow the Law in a New Covenant way.

Paul making a Nazirite vow, and paying for the animal sacrifices for other New Covenant Jews ending their Nazirite vows, made himself a living example that even in the New Covenant Jews are to follow the Law.
Ok that gets into some fairly hot topics that are off topic here. I think we'll move past the legalities and let the reader decide.
 
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Ok that gets into some fairly hot topics that are off topic here. I think we'll move past the legalities and let the reader decide.
Indeed. That debate is very much for another forum.

But you DID ask ....
 
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Paul making a Nazirite vow, and paying for the animal sacrifices for other New Covenant Jews ending their Nazirite vows, made himself a living example that even in the New Covenant Jews are to follow the Law.
Fwiw that mindset can be the only OT reasoning that would disallow (gentile) women a place in Christ's Jubilee as a pattern of the OT being carried into the new. But since this forum precludes that that mindset toward women is a misconception then it's not on topic either.
 
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Fwiw that mindset can be the only OT reasoning that would disallow (gentile) women a place in Christ's Jubilee as a pattern of the OT being carried into the new. But since this forum precludes that that mindset toward women is a misconception then it's not on topic either.
You raise an interesting question, Cassia. Is it possible - or how is it possible - to be truly egalitarian while following Torah?
I think that the truth can set you free :)
Actually my 2 cents on that are seeing the historical religous roles of women equates to their equality before God. Looking at the Heroes and Herioness of Faith in Hebrews 11 there's Sarah and Rahab plus widows with sons restored 1 Kings 7:8-24 2 Kings 4:18-37

Judith of Hebrews 11:34 put foriegn armies to flight. Judith 9:9, 13:7, 15:2-3

Esther would be among those who escaped the sword Hebrews 11:3-4

But the actual reality is that they didn't get to see the foundational building being put into place. Hebrews 1 says that Jesus is the final word. The city they were waiting upon is being filled with the faithful.
 
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Hannah set an exemplary model of co-operation with God thru a prayer life that issued from the abundance of her heart. Her prayer asking of God was done in silence but her victory song/prayer is recorded for us.
It portrays the wave offering designated to the Nazarite vow of consecration. (this was offered up as a victory of finished business with the Lord)

The prophecy of Hannah is also one of the few places that you'll find prophesy about hell

1 Samuel 2:6
"The LORD kills and makes alive; He brings down to the grave and brings up.
1 Samuel 2:9
He will guard the feet of His saints, But the wicked shall be silent in darkness."For by strength no man shall prevail.

Hannah, as a powerful prayer warrior, spoke in the Spirit of Prophesy and Promise. She understood what God was all about. The New Testament scripture brings it up to date for us.

Her second prophesy:

Bringing humans up from hell 1 Samuel 2:6, Psalms 16:10

Ephesians 4:7-10
However, he has given each one of us a special gift through the generosity of Christ.
8 That is why the Scriptures say,
When he ascended to the heights,
he led a crowd of captives
and gave gifts to his people.
Notice that it says he ascended. This clearly means that Christ also descended to our lowly world.
10 And the same one who descended is the one who ascended higher than all the heavens, so that he might fill the entire universe with himself.

Hebrews 2:14-15
Because God's children are human beings-made of flesh and blood-the Son also became flesh and blood. For only as a human being could he die, and only by dying could he break the power of the devil, who had the power of death.
15 Only in this way could he set free all who have lived their lives as slaves to the fear of dying.
 
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There's a huge difference between offering prayer for ourselves and intercession; the difference can be seen at the altar in the outer court and at the altar of golden incense in the Holy Place and it represents the difference of Christ's earthly work and His work as the only High Priest.

At the altar in the outer court our sins are dealt with.
These are washed away at the laver as we daily wash our hands and feet, our work and our walk, of the daily dust of being in the world.
Jesus says we are to do this for each other as well, when He gave the example of washing the disciples feet;
referring to the dust of each other's contact with the world.

However this isn't intercession to be given at the golden altar.
The golden altar is for giving to God's work, prayers that are associated with God's work, that are in alignment with what the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are doing to further the Kingdom.
This is the joining of prayer with the only High Priest, and the incense being presented in the heavenly tabernacle. The bride and the Spirit saying come to the only wise King thru these prayers.

Nazarites are the overcomers who work priestly work, not kingly work, and who replaced those who were using strange fire. Both kingly and priestly work are needed in His Kingdom that will be fully revealed at His coming.
 
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You raise an interesting question, Cassia. Is it possible - or how is it possible - to be truly egalitarian while following Torah?
I guess that depends on what you mean by egalitarian?

Is it gender equality only? Or do you include age equality and ethnic equality? Or even tribal equality?
 
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