Women becoming pastors?

[Strong in Him]

There is no "God commands" for your imaginary gender rules, or even sexual preference.

?? What I'm saying is that God has not commanded us to stay single. Scripture does not say that marriage is wrong. So when you said, "I did not listen to Scripture, I got married" - you haven't done anything unScriptural.

 

[SkyWriting]

?? What I'm saying is that God has not commanded us to stay single. Scripture does not say that marriage is wrong. So when you said, "I did not listen to Scripture, I got married" - you haven't done anything unScriptural.

Treating women as equals will not land you in Hell either. Good call.
Treating women as you would have them treat you is a well supported argument.
Make no gender rules as God commands.

 

[Strong in Him]

Treating women as equals will not land you in Hell either. Good call.
Treating women as you would have them treat you is a well supported argument.

This doesn't answer my comments about marriage.

 

[CrystalDragon]

I agree with you yet I don't agree that a woman should teach men. It is okay for women to teach other women but not men.

I guess you've never had a female teacher then.

I don't feel like women should be denied being pastors. Back in the day it was a patriarchal society where women were often seen as lesser than men, like how Peter (I think) said that women should have no authority over men, be kept silent, and only learn from their husbands.

Thank goodness we've moved away from such sexist thinking.

 

[Strong in Him]

I agree with you yet I don't agree that a woman should teach men. It is okay for women to teach other women but not men.

Why?
Proclaiming God's word in prophecy is teaching, and there were prophetesses in the church, and in Israel's history. Paul even told women how to prophesy.
Telling men the Good News of the resurrection was teaching - and Jesus chose a woman to do that.
And Priscilla taught Apollos.

 

[SkyWriting]

This doesn't answer my comments about marriage.

Marriage is the commitment of one person to another.
Just as I don't consider Jesus or The Father to be my wife
marriage is not limited to certain gender combinations.
Again, gender discrimination is forbidden.

Paul was wrong when wishing anyone to be without a partner.
He was wrong about lot's of stuff.

Make no rules for others, you do not wish them
to impose upon you as well.

 

[Strong in Him]

Marriage is the commitment of one person to another.
Just as I don't consider Jesus or The Father to be my wife
marriage is not limited to certain gender combinations.
Again, gender discrimination is forbidden.

So you agree with same sex marriage then?

Paul was wrong when wishing anyone to be without a partner.
He was wrong about lot's of stuff.

No he wasn't.
Unless you are saying that Scripture is wrong too?

Make no rules for others, you do not wish them
to impose upon you as well.

I have said that you are applying this verse far too rigidly, and asked you to explain why.
Maybe you can't?

 

[SkyWriting]

No he wasn't.
Unless you are saying that Scripture is wrong too?

Paul was a sinner (cheif) and spoke in error. I forgive him.
Just as moses killed a man a buried him in sand,
so we do not have to follow sinners in all they say or do.

All main points in scripture are repeated by multiple authors.
This is how to seperate the wheat from the chaff.

 

[SkyWriting]

I have said that you are applying this verse far too rigidly, and asked you to explain why.
Maybe you can't?

I understand. I never noticed it for decades, either.
It is repeated
in different ways,
multiple times,
by different authors.
I appreciate your interest in the most important concept in scripture, bar none.

Matthew 7:12 - Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
(Treat others as well as you wish to be loved)

Luke 6:31 - And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
(Treat others as well as yourself)

Galatians 5:14 - For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
(Treat others as well as yourself)

James 2:8 - If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
(Treat others as well as yourself)

John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
(Give up your life for others)

Mark 12:31 - And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
(Love others as well as yourself)

1 Peter 3:9 - Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.
(treat others well)

Matthew 7:1-5 - Judge not, that ye be not judged.
(treat others well)

 

[Strong in Him]

I understand. I never noticed it for decades, either.
It is repeated
in different ways,
multiple times,
by different authors.

I was asking YOU to explain why YOU apply it the way you do.

There's no point continuing this conversation otherwise, and it's probably a subject for another thread anyway.

 

[PanDeVida]

A church near me has a woman pastor senior pastor. My take on this that a woman should not be the senior pastor of a church. In which the Bible speaks highly against it.
What is your take on this?

ILove... It is good, for a woman to fast, pray and speak about the Lord. However, what scripture is referring to is that women can not celebrate Mass. Women can not be a part of the Apostles and their Successors, aka Bishops, Priests, Deacons.

Luke 2:36And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser; she was far advanced in years, and had lived with her husband seven years from her virginity. 37And she was a widow until fourscore and four years; who departed not from the temple, by fasting and prayers serving night and day. 38Now she, at the same hour, coming in, confessed to the Lord; and spoke of him to all that looked for the redemption of Israel.

 

[SkyWriting]

I was asking YOU to explain why YOU apply it the way you do.

There's no point continuing this conversation otherwise, and it's probably a subject for another thread anyway.

WOmen can be pastors or anyone can who is called to service.
Make no rules about pastors, you would not impose on your self
or enjoy others imposing on you.

IN EVERYTHING then, treat others as you would wish to be treated.
This is the essence of the scriptures.

 

[SkyWriting]

A church near me has a woman pastor senior pastor. My take on this that a woman should not be the senior pastor of a church. In which the Bible speaks highly against it.
What is your take on this?

The bible says to treat all others, as you would wish to be treated.
The restriction on women is against the law.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Paul was a sinner (cheif) and spoke in error.

Well since you want to talk about why Paul called himself a chief sinner, let's discuss it.

Paul, back when he was Saul, a Pharisee, he persecuted Christ's church. He persecuted believers.

This is the guilt that Paul felt about his past actions, which he had been forgiven for by Christ by the way. So, per Christ when one has been forgiven by Christ for their repented sins, those sins are not used against them. They are cast as far away as the east is from the west.

So, God was not calling Paul a chief sinner because Paul had obtained the forgiveness of Christ.

But because Paul had persecuted Christ's church, Paul HIMSELF referred to HIMSELF as a chief sinner that was less than the other apostles. God DID NOT say this, Paul in his remorse felt that guilt.

When looking and reading Paul's writings we see how he himself humbled himself and was very understanding about sin in that he had wronged and sinned so bad. But, Paul always also shared the truth of Christ, so understanding Paul one has to understand who he was as Saul, before he came to Christ.

It is this lack of knowledge and understanding that people that are less well versed in the Bible use to persecute Paul. But they have no right to persecute anyone because THEY are only saved by the MERCY of the same CHRIST that forgave Paul.

So, it is interesting that anyone would think they can judge Paul after Christ has forgiven him, but hence people's lack of humility knowing that they are also CHIEF of sinners and ONLY BY CHIRST'S MERCY ARE THEY IN FACT SAVED.

It is interesting how they feel they can judge what God only can judge.

But as God's Word says "THEY WILL be JUDGED by the same ruler or measure that THEY use to judge others", so God is fair and just and they will get to reap what they have sown.

 

[SkyWriting]

So you agree with same sex marriage then?

I don't wish for others to decide my partner for me, so
having such opinions are not an option.


------>Mathew 7: 12

 

[ToBeLoved]

I guess you've never had a female teacher then.

I don't feel like women should be denied being pastors. Back in the day it was a patriarchal society where women were often seen as lesser than men, like how Peter (I think) said that women should have no authority over men, be kept silent, and only learn from their husbands.

Thank goodness we've moved away from such sexist thinking.

God's Word says that women should not teach men in pastoral positions. You may choose not to obey God's Word.

 

[CrystalDragon]

God's Word says that women should not teach men in pastoral positions. You may choose not to obey God's Word.

What I don't get is why would God's Word say that? Why indicate that women are inferior in some way and are supposed to keep silent and not have authority?

 

[Kiterius]

What I don't get is why would God's Word say that? Why indicate that women are inferior in some way and are supposed to keep silent and not have authority?

God's word doesn't indicate that women are inferior. What it does indicate is that women are women, not men.

 

[Philip_B]

What I don't get is why would God's Word say that? Why indicate that women are inferior in some way and are supposed to keep silent and not have authority?

I think that that is an excellent question and deserves some answers.

 

[SkyWriting]

What I don't get is why would God's Word say that? Why indicate that women are inferior in some way and are supposed to keep silent and not have authority?

Paul was giving advice to one situation only.