A flat earth, and Noah's Ark.

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Again, if your theory is true then you wouldn't give up. You should be able to prove it easily using a piece of paper. If you draw a straight line on the paper you are going to run off the piece of paper.
If your plane is flying around the flat earth plain ( I couldn't resist.. sorry)...and flew in a straight line according to someone's view from above... they would start flying east and slowly start flying south.

You see, the important fact or theory that you are getting confused on is that the lines of latitude are circular. They remain equidistant from the north pole.

Is that not the definition of a circle? All points on the edge of a circle are the same distance from the center.

So an airplane flying east at the 20th line of latitude and maintaining that latitude would continue to fly east or west.

Thus, on a perceived flat earth theoretical model, the plane would be, from the cockpit view, continually flying east. Where in reality it would be flying a giant, un noticeable circle around the north pole.

This is no more rubbish than saying that a plane flying a straight line would fly off into space on a globe earth, but it is continually flying in an un noticeable circle around the globe at the same distance from the ground or the curve of the earth. It is continually nosing down. Where on the flat earth the plane is continually flying with a bit of left rudder..


Tell, me, what prevents the pilot from flying off the flat disk?
Have I answered this? It would be a similar question to ask "why don't the pilots fly off into space. Either way the pilots are NOT flying a straight line...... are they?


Have pilots seen the edges of the world?
I have no idea. I do think that somebody or some people saw something in Antarctica and they weren't expecting it.

If they did........and they told someone.......... I bet they would say....."are you crazy". It's not something that is safe to say now, is it?

Surely there would be an edge or end to your world, right? Is there not a fall off point?

It's not my world.

But, according to what the theory states, there is an end but you cannot fall off due to the fact that this is where the firmament (dome) reaches the ground.

Who knows how far out to the edge this is? Someone stated that a plane hit something in the air, an invisible obstacle and exploded. I can't find it anywhere myself, but, the rumor states that this lead Admiral Byrd to assume that the Nazi's had developed a force field.

Whatever.... IDK.... but they did come back and in 1958 to 1962 they started firing nukes into the upper atmosphere. Russia and the US.....kinda odd , I'd say.
 
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Thus, on a perceived flat earth theoretical model, the plane would be, from the cockpit view, continually flying east. Where in reality it would be flying a giant, un noticeable circle around the north pole.

Right, but that is physically impossible; in such a scenario the aircraft would have to bank at least slightly to keep flying in a circle. Whereas a globular Earth accounts for the fact that this is not the case.

Also you have not accounted for the duration of voyages in the Southern Hemisphere, which continues to refute a flat Earth with spectacular effect.
 
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I believe that, according to Paul's demonstration; Noah may have lived on a flat earth and would have had no problem boarding on the ark, all the animals that God requested; without an issue.

The terrain may have been flat (not mountainous) pre global flood, but the earth has been and always has been described as round in the Bible. Isa 40:22 "the circle of the earth"

See more info at The Universe Confirms the Bible

Also early proof of a round earth was found at noon, and the degree of shadow over a certain distance when it's high noon. The earth's circumference was calculated at about 44,000 km over a thousand years ago. Very close to the actual measurements today, this was done by calculating the difference in sun angle between two cities in egypt, one had a 7 degree shadow, while the first location had no shadow.
 
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If your plane is flying around the flat earth plain ( I couldn't resist.. sorry)...and flew in a straight line according to someone's view from above... they would start flying east and slowly start flying south.

You see, the important fact or theory that you are getting confused on is that the lines of latitude are circular. They remain equidistant from the north pole.

Is that not the definition of a circle? All points on the edge of a circle are the same distance from the center.

So an airplane flying east at the 20th line of latitude and maintaining that latitude would continue to fly east or west.

Thus, on a perceived flat earth theoretical model, the plane would be, from the cockpit view, continually flying east. Where in reality it would be flying a giant, un noticeable circle around the north pole.

This is no more rubbish than saying that a plane flying a straight line would fly off into space on a globe earth, but it is continually flying in an un noticeable circle around the globe at the same distance from the ground or the curve of the earth. It is continually nosing down. Where on the flat earth the plane is continually flying with a bit of left rudder..



Have I answered this? It would be a similar question to ask "why don't the pilots fly off into space. Either way the pilots are NOT flying a straight line...... are they?



I have no idea. I do think that somebody or some people saw something in Antarctica and they weren't expecting it.

If they did........and they told someone.......... I bet they would say....."are you crazy". It's not something that is safe to say now, is it?



It's not my world.

But, according to what the theory states, there is an end but you cannot fall off due to the fact that this is where the firmament (dome) reaches the ground.

Who knows how far out to the edge this is? Someone stated that a plane hit something in the air, an invisible obstacle and exploded. I can't find it anywhere myself, but, the rumor states that this lead Admiral Byrd to assume that the Nazi's had developed a force field.

Whatever.... IDK.... but they did come back and in 1958 to 1962 they started firing nukes into the upper atmosphere. Russia and the US.....kinda odd , I'd say.

Invisible dome is the edge that you cannot cross? You do realize men went to space right? Or do think they all lied? What about all the satellites? Really? Someday you are going to look back and feel silly about all this.


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Anyone that promotes a Flat Earth theory is of Lucifer, period, full stop. The reality is that it, meaning the Flat Earth theory, is a Luciferian concept that dates all the way back to Sumeria and, contrary to what you, Kenneth Redden, say about the matter, it is NOT compatible with how YAHWEH EL ELOHIM made the universe, nor is it compatible with His Word. Furthermore, it was improved upon, as well as given most of its modern form, by an atheist with the name of Francisco Petrarca, a.k.a., Petrarch, as well as upon fictional works that were made by Washington Irving (of The Legend of Sleepy Hollow fame), as well as humanists, pseudo-Christians, pseudo-Jews, pseudo-scientists, and pseudo-historians such as Massimo Pigliucchi, Lactantius, Cosmas Indicopleustes, John Draper, Daniel Boorstin, John Dowie, Wilbur Voliva, Charles K. Johnson, Marjorie Waugh, Daniel Dennett, Cyrano de Bergerac, Andrew Dickson White, Jean-Antoine Letronne, Jean-Baptiste Gail, and Edme Mentelle. Yes, Protestants did buy into the movement, and still do in very minute numbers (as is the case with yourself and anyone else that follows your forms of idiocy and Scriptural error and rebellion), namely to rebel against the equally wicked Roman Catholics, but the fact is that BOTH groups of people, as well as the atheists, humanists, and other evildoers that promoted this unscientific, immoral, and false viewpoint, are ALL of the Antichrist if you promote this viewpoint in your lives and your boss is also Lucifer, period, full stop.

Now with that being said, let us see WHY a Flat Earth is not only a lie, but that it is also impossible to be so in reality. A Flat Earth would mean that everything not only would have to be upon a disc, but that a truly Flat Earth would be two dimensional in form. Since it is obvious that neither you or I, Kenny, are two dimensional beings, then likewise neither is the planet Earth flat. Furthermore, it is also equally true that all of the other planets, most moons, stars, suns, and other spherical bodies are not flat spheres, and, in the cases of some moons, they are more asteroid-like in shape than planetoid in shape. Were that not enough, not only do we have to consider the axis of this planet, but we have to consider the magnetic and physical poles of this planet, the gravitational pull of this planet, the speed of its rotation, and those five things upon every single celestial body that contains those things. Yes, other planets, moons, stars, and suns all possess those things. Yes, all of those things that I mentioned make not only the planet Earth dependent upon other celestial bodies for its current state, but that the inverse is also true in regards to other celestial bodies and the planet Earth, plus all of those things make celestial body orbits possible, for YAHWEH EL ELOHIM ordered this to be the way of the universe even before the events of the Book of Genesis took place.

Were that still not enough to convince you of the matter, then you need to consider things such as atmospheric reentry of space craft and other celestial debris as well as why our planet has a curved shape when someone flies high enough in the sky and that it is spherical when people are out into space. Were this planet flat, why is it then that things always move AWAY from a fixed point instead of coming straight down upon this planet? The answer is that the planet Earth is simply not flat because were it flat, instead of being a slightly squished sphere (and, prior to the Great Flood, was most likely a perfect sphere, thus becoming flat due to the sinful state of this planet and the cosmos, and thus also reminding all of humanity of the price of buying into the lies of Lucifer) as it truly is made, then not only would an object that was launched into the atmosphere and came back on to this planet fall upon the same place of which it landed, but that there would never be enough force to create a substantial amount of gravitational pull towards said object, thus also, in turn, creating issues with axial rotation upon this planet and other celestial bodies, it would make everything practically have zero gravity, it would make everything float away, including buildings, vehicles, water, and our atmosphere, it would cause all celestial bodies to lose their orbits, and it would essentially mean the death of everyone and this planet, if not by the removal of people into deep space, then certainly due to the elimination of life forms that live on the water, then elimination of the life forms, including humans, that need water, the removal of water from this planet, and, finally, due to one side of the planet being a rocky, glassy, and volcanic wasteland and the other side being a frozen wasteland and both sides of the planet would be stuck in a state of perpetual night as they war for dominance of this planet, thus causing turmoil and chaos into the planetary core and, ultimately, an explosion of this planet, and, consequentially, the whole universe, if not the cosmos itself, being destroyed in like fashion.

Finally, were you a true Flat Earth follower, then you would immediately reject YAHWEH EL ELOHIM and His Holy Word and you would follow people like Petrarch and other sinners instead of doing the right thing as Joshua did in the Book of Joshua, Chapter 24, and Verse 15. You also can not serve two masters, for YAHASHUA HA'MASHIACH also warned of that in The Holy Scriptures as well, so you must serve either Lucifer or YAHWEH EL ELOHIM in your life. Furthermore, the Flat Earth theory was born out of rebellion against YAHWEH ELOHIM as well as through the idolatry, witchcraft, and sorcery of numerous Luciferian religions. You also need to not only repent of those particular sins in your life, but you also need to repent of your other forms of religious ritualism, such as the Luciferian doctrine of "King James Version Onlyism (or Any Version Onlyism for that matter)" and your arrogance, wrong judgments, hypocrisy, narrow-mindedness, racism, sexism, elitism, and selling out to Lucifer and his concepts in your life. Argue otherwise with these words from YAHWEH EL ELOHIM Himself and you will only further prove these things as being correct about yourself in your life. Now you will repent and truly serve YAHWEH EL ELOHIM in your life or you will perish as a servant of Lucifer, for as the Holy Scriptures say, "The wages of sin are death."

Here are my sources to back up my information.

The Holy Scriptures
YAHWEH EL ELOHIM
Numerous studies from both secular AND Christian sources about how the cosmos works, as well as how this planet was formed
Myth of the flat Earth - Wikipedia
Andrew Dickson White - Wikipedia
Andrew Dickson White Facts
The Warfare of Science With Theology
Cyrano de Bergerac - Wikipedia
The flat-earth myth and creationism - creation.com
Flat Earth - Wikipedia

This is but a small sample of the THOUSANDS of sources that I can utilize to destroy your Satanic claims. Try me at your own peril, Luciferian.
 
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Invisible dome is the edge that you cannot cross? You do realize men went to space right? Or do think they all lied? What about all the satellites? Really? Someday you are going to look back and feel silly about all this.


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Ok, clearly you are only reading what you want to read... I have already, many times, stated that I am not a flat earther, but there are questions that don't have answers and I am searching for truth....

The statements that you are making are argued by the flat earth theorists and I am merely telling you what they believe to be the explanations for your statements.


I know their answers and explanations from researching their belief.... I don't just stand back and say... that's false... that's not true.... that's rubbish.... that's impossible....

I look at what they are saying and look into it for myself.

For instance.... You are aware that one of the biggest problems they are having with sending people to mars, is the Van Allan Belts.

These are belts of magnetic flux that trap radioactive particles that are emmited from space and the sun. They collect in these bands around the earth.

These belts are so radio active that if the space shuttle, or International space station, go much further out than, correct me if I'm wrong... 400 miles, they start to see spots, flashing lights with their eyes closed and experience high doses of radiation.

This radiation will go right through the space craft and would destroy conventional camera film..

Question... Why is this a problem, today, with today's technology, when it was absolutely no problem for ANY of the Apollo missions, where they went back and forth through this radioactivity in, basically, a tin can??????

No ill effects, no damaged film, no damaged electronics... NADA.

But, the Mars mission is stumped...

Please... any ideas?
 
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Also, there is the faking of the earth shot, the question of "who photographed the Lunar landing? Who photographed Neil as he walked down the ladder? Why, upon leaving the moon, did the video camera pan upward and follow the blast off???? HOW.

Why was there no crater under the lunar lander from engines firing to slow it down? Why was there no moon dust on the feet of the lunar lander? Why is the same hill on the moon, in two different videos when the astronauts were supposed to be thousands of yards away? In the second shot, we see identical back drops, moon rocks and boulders????

Why do the Crosses etched in the lens of the camera, that were to show that the picture was not fake, go behind the astronaut in the picture, or other objects?

The list goes on.

Again, I'm not saying it wasn't true and fact, but there is a lot of splain'n to do.
 
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The terrain may have been flat (not mountainous) pre global flood, but the earth has been and always has been described as round in the Bible. Isa 40:22 "the circle of the earth"

See more info at The Universe Confirms the Bible

Also early proof of a round earth was found at noon, and the degree of shadow over a certain distance when it's high noon. The earth's circumference was calculated at about 44,000 km over a thousand years ago. Very close to the actual measurements today, this was done by calculating the difference in sun angle between two cities in egypt, one had a 7 degree shadow, while the first location had no shadow.
No offense, but if the sun is millions of miles away, this rings true. But, if the sun is 3500 miles away, on a flat earth, as their model suggests, it also rings true.

It really doesn't prove the globe. It only proves that the sun shines on the earth at different angles at different places at the same time. Which, we already knew anyway.

Interesting phenomena that I cannot figure out. Maybe you folks can explain....

Have you ever seen the sun, shining through some huge clouds and forming beams of light that flare out in a nice fan like array?

Now, if the sun is billions of miles away, the rays of light should all be parallel. If the sun was close, we would see this spaying of the rays of light.

Try it for yourself. Get a paper plate and poke holes in it. Hold a flashlight about 3 to 4 feet above it and you will see dots on the ground below the plate. Straight beams of the light will go to the ground in a parallel pattern.

Now, bring the flash light close. As you do this the beams of the light will start to flay out and form a fan like pattern...
When the tip of the flashlight is inches away it will be very apparent.

Interesting eh?
 
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Anyone that promotes a Flat Earth theory is of Lucifer, period, full stop. The reality is that it, meaning the Flat Earth theory, is a Luciferian concept that dates all the way back to Sumeria and, contrary to what you, Kenneth Redden, say about the matter, it is NOT compatible with how YAHWEH EL ELOHIM made the universe, nor is it compatible with His Word. Furthermore, it was improved upon, as well as given most of its modern form, by an atheist with the name of Francisco Petrarca, a.k.a., Petrarch, as well as upon fictional works that were made by Washington Irving (of The Legend of Sleepy Hollow fame), as well as humanists, pseudo-Christians, pseudo-Jews, pseudo-scientists, and pseudo-historians such as Massimo Pigliucchi, Lactantius, Cosmas Indicopleustes, John Draper, Daniel Boorstin, John Dowie, Wilbur Voliva, Charles K. Johnson, Marjorie Waugh, Daniel Dennett, Cyrano de Bergerac, Andrew Dickson White, Jean-Antoine Letronne, Jean-Baptiste Gail, and Edme Mentelle. Yes, Protestants did buy into the movement, and still do in very minute numbers (as is the case with yourself and anyone else that follows your forms of idiocy and Scriptural error and rebellion), namely to rebel against the equally wicked Roman Catholics, but the fact is that BOTH groups of people, as well as the atheists, humanists, and other evildoers that promoted this unscientific, immoral, and false viewpoint, are ALL of the Antichrist if you promote this viewpoint in your lives and your boss is also Lucifer, period, full stop.

Now with that being said, let us see WHY a Flat Earth is not only a lie, but that it is also impossible to be so in reality. A Flat Earth would mean that everything not only would have to be upon a disc, but that a truly Flat Earth would be two dimensional in form. Since it is obvious that neither you or I, Kenny, are two dimensional beings, then likewise neither is the planet Earth flat. Furthermore, it is also equally true that all of the other planets, most moons, stars, suns, and other spherical bodies are not flat spheres, and, in the cases of some moons, they are more asteroid-like in shape than planetoid in shape. Were that not enough, not only do we have to consider the axis of this planet, but we have to consider the magnetic and physical poles of this planet, the gravitational pull of this planet, the speed of its rotation, and those five things upon every single celestial body that contains those things. Yes, other planets, moons, stars, and suns all possess those things. Yes, all of those things that I mentioned make not only the planet Earth dependent upon other celestial bodies for its current state, but that the inverse is also true in regards to other celestial bodies and the planet Earth, plus all of those things make celestial body orbits possible, for YAHWEH EL ELOHIM ordered this to be the way of the universe even before the events of the Book of Genesis took place.

Were that still not enough to convince you of the matter, then you need to consider things such as atmospheric reentry of space craft and other celestial debris as well as why our planet has a curved shape when someone flies high enough in the sky and that it is spherical when people are out into space. Were this planet flat, why is it then that things always move AWAY from a fixed point instead of coming straight down upon this planet? The answer is that the planet Earth is simply not flat because were it flat, instead of being a slightly squished sphere (and, prior to the Great Flood, was most likely a perfect sphere, thus becoming flat due to the sinful state of this planet and the cosmos, and thus also reminding all of humanity of the price of buying into the lies of Lucifer) as it truly is made, then not only would an object that was launched into the atmosphere and came back on to this planet fall upon the same place of which it landed, but that there would never be enough force to create a substantial amount of gravitational pull towards said object, thus also, in turn, creating issues with axial rotation upon this planet and other celestial bodies, it would make everything practically have zero gravity, it would make everything float away, including buildings, vehicles, water, and our atmosphere, it would cause all celestial bodies to lose their orbits, and it would essentially mean the death of everyone and this planet, if not by the removal of people into deep space, then certainly due to the elimination of life forms that live on the water, then elimination of the life forms, including humans, that need water, the removal of water from this planet, and, finally, due to one side of the planet being a rocky, glassy, and volcanic wasteland and the other side being a frozen wasteland and both sides of the planet would be stuck in a state of perpetual night as they war for dominance of this planet, thus causing turmoil and chaos into the planetary core and, ultimately, an explosion of this planet, and, consequentially, the whole universe, if not the cosmos itself, being destroyed in like fashion.

Finally, were you a true Flat Earth follower, then you would immediately reject YAHWEH EL ELOHIM and His Holy Word and you would follow people like Petrarch and other sinners instead of doing the right thing as Joshua did in the Book of Joshua, Chapter 24, and Verse 15. You also can not serve two masters, for YAHASHUA HA'MASHIACH also warned of that in The Holy Scriptures as well, so you must serve either Lucifer or YAHWEH EL ELOHIM in your life. Furthermore, the Flat Earth theory was born out of rebellion against YAHWEH ELOHIM as well as through the idolatry, witchcraft, and sorcery of numerous Luciferian religions. You also need to not only repent of those particular sins in your life, but you also need to repent of your other forms of religious ritualism, such as the Luciferian doctrine of "King James Version Onlyism (or Any Version Onlyism for that matter)" and your arrogance, wrong judgments, hypocrisy, narrow-mindedness, racism, sexism, elitism, and selling out to Lucifer and his concepts in your life. Argue otherwise with these words from YAHWEH EL ELOHIM Himself and you will only further prove these things as being correct about yourself in your life. Now you will repent and truly serve YAHWEH EL ELOHIM in your life or you will perish as a servant of Lucifer, for as the Holy Scriptures say, "The wages of sin are death."

Here are my sources to back up my information.

The Holy Scriptures
YAHWEH EL ELOHIM
Numerous studies from both secular AND Christian sources about how the cosmos works, as well as how this planet was formed
Myth of the flat Earth - Wikipedia
Andrew Dickson White - Wikipedia
Andrew Dickson White Facts
The Warfare of Science With Theology
Cyrano de Bergerac - Wikipedia
The flat-earth myth and creationism - creation.com
Flat Earth - Wikipedia

This is but a small sample of the THOUSANDS of sources that I can utilize to destroy your Satanic claims. Try me at your own peril, Luciferian.
The shape of the earth, whether flat or globe, has absolutely no impact on my salvation.

All the flat earth would do, however, is end the theory of evolution and prove that we were created.

As for Christianity, it survives flat or globe.... no impact.
 
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Anyone have any tests or experiments that show the globe earth is true? Testable, repeatable, falsifiable, tests?

I think God did this on purpose so we will rely on His word.

What do you think?
How about the fact that the only way to draw a map of the surface of the earth where all distances are in proportion, is on the outside of a globe?
 
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Dinosaurs were on the ark. They are mentioned in Job.


So, unless man was around millions of years ago and was able to write and we have record of these writings today....

Unless you can tell me what other animal, besides a brontosaurus, that can be described as:

Job 40:15-18King James Version (KJV)

15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.


16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.


17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.


18 His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.

No proof at all.

Who knows what animal as 100,s of different animals have gone extinct

No dinosaur bones have ever been found with human ones, ever! Lots of fake sites the say they have.
 
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God created things old...Adam was not a child at day one...a tree he ate on was not a sapling...birds flew...cows mooed...fish mated...they all could mate...mountains existed but was changed during the flood...the weather was tropical for the plants was watered by dew for there was no rain so there had to be a dew point, but it changed during the flood in an instance for they have found a herd over 5000 ancient elephants in Northern Russia tundra ice, eating tropical grass standing in their flesh frozen instantly...at the frozen Antarctica under the ice they drill to find tropical plants and animals...they have a carbon dating machine that they say is accurate but if you put a newly baby clam in it the machine will tell you it is 10,000 years old (older that the earth, for God created earth old also) God speaks and things change in an instant...So when Jesus comes back the dead in Christ will rise first and the rest of his that are living will catch them in the air and be changed in an instant (a twinkling of the eye) taking off this corruptible body of earth and put on an incorruptible body in an instant (1 Corinthians 15:1-58) and follow Jesus to the Mount of Olives where he will slay the armies against Jerusalem and enemies of God, with his words as he steps foot on the mountain and it splits north and south for his entrance of the 1000 years reign where we will reign with the King of kings and Lord of lords.( Revelation 19-20) The sun will be darken and it will be twilight, not being light or dark, for that day that will last as a 1000 years that we are not to be ignorant of...the heathen that will not keep the feast of tabernacles will be slain, not by satan for he is chained for 1000 years, but by the Lord...Zechariah 14:1-21
 
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No proof at all.

Who knows what animal as 100,s of different animals have gone extinct

No dinosaur bones have ever been found with human ones, ever! Lots of fake sites the say they have.

They have not looked at the bottom of the sea every where or under all the ice of Antarctica have they? What about the tree of life that the angel is guarding? Could it be under the sea? Maybe the Bermuda Triangle? When the flood of Noah's time came, I believe God changed the earth much...mountains and earth moved and seas covered the old world that was nearly 3000 years old then...here we are trying to figure out our nearly 3000 year side and will take longer to try and figure out before the flood which just confines the scientist of this side of the flood. Lockheed monsters and sea dragons eating children in the Gulf of Mexico just confuse the stories of dinosaur extinction ... when they are possible to be here still.
 
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They have not looked at the bottom of the sea every where or under all the ice of Antarctica have they? What about the tree of life that the angel is guarding? Could it be under the sea? Maybe the Bermuda Triangle? When the flood of Noah's time came, I believe God changed the earth much...mountains and earth moved and seas covered the old world that was nearly 3000 years old then...here we are trying to figure out our nearly 3000 year side and will take longer to try and figure out before the flood which just confines the scientist of this side of the flood. Lockheed monsters and sea dragons eating children in the Gulf of Mexico just confuse the stories of dinosaur extinction ... when they are possible to be here still.

Unscientific. Genesis is not to be taken literally!
 
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We have massive evidence for many large scale local floods. One would think that a more recent world wide flood would have wiped out the evidence of these local floods. It hasn't and there is absolutely no evidence of such a world wide flood.
Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered. -Genesis 7:20...evidence...
 
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By who? I take God's word literally! He says what is true!

Matthew 13:10-15
10 Then the disciples came and said to him, “Why do you speak to them in parables?” 11 And he answered them, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 12 For to him who has will more be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 13 This is why I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14 With them indeed is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah which says:

‘You shall indeed hear but never understand,
and you shall indeed see but never perceive.
15 For this people’s heart has grown dull,
and their ears are heavy of hearing,
and their eyes they have closed,
lest they should perceive with their eyes,
and hear with their ears,
and understand with their heart,
and turn for me to heal them.’

I believe that Genesis is not meant to be taken literally. Just like Jesus spoke in parables, i believe that Genesis has hidden meanings!
 
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The biblical global flood supposedly covered the planet. Mount Everest is 8,848 meters tall and the diameter of the earth at the equator, on the other hand, is 12,756.8 km. All we have to do is calculate the volume of water to fill a sphere with a radius of the Earth + Mount Everest; then we subtract the volume of a sphere with a radius of the Earth. Now, I know this won't yield a perfect result, because the Earth isn't a perfect sphere, but it will serve to give a general idea about the amounts involved.

So, here are the calculations:

First, Everest

V= 4/3 * pi * r^3

= 4/3 * pi * (6387.248 km)^3

= 1.09151 x 10^12 cubic kilometres


Now, the Earth at sea level


V = 4/3 * pi * r^3

= 4/3 * pi * (6378.4 km)^3

= 1.08698 x 10^12 cubic kilometres

The difference between these two figures, 4.525 x 10^9 cubic kilometres is the amount of water needed to just cover the Earth. Or, to put into a more sensible number, 4,525,000,000 cubic kilometres. This is one helluva lot of water.

For those who think it might come from the polar ice caps, please don't forget that water is more dense than ice, and thus that the volume of ice present in those ice caps would have to be more than the volume of water necessary.


Some interesting physical effects of all that water, too. How much weight do you think that is? Well, water at STP weighs in at 1 gram/cubic centimetre so:

4.252x10^9 km^3 of water,

x 10^6 (= cubic meters),

x 10^6 (= cubic centimetres),

x 1 g/cm^3 (= grams),

x 1o^-3 (= kilograms),

= 4.525X 10^21 kg.

Ever wonder what the effects of that much weight would be? Well, many times in the near past (i.e., the Pleistocene), continental ice sheets covered many of the northern states and most all of Canada. For the sake of argument, let's call the area covered by the Wisconsonian advance (the latest and greatest) was 10,000,000,000 km^2, by an average thickness of 1 km of ice (a good estimate...it was thicker in the zones of accumulation and much thinner elsewhere at the ablating edges. Now, 1.00x10^7 km^2 X 1 km thickness equals 1.00x10^7 km^3 of ice. Now, remember earlier that we noted that it would take 4.525x10^9 km^3 of water for the flood? Well, looking at the Wisconsinian glaciation, all that ice (which is frozen water, remember?) would be precisely 0.222 percent of the water needed for the flood.

Well, the Wisconsinian glacial stade ended about 25,000 BP as compared for the approximately supposedly 4,000 BP flood event. Due to these late Pleistocene glaciations some 21,000 years preceding the supposed biblical flood, the mass of the ice had actually depressed the crust of the Earth. That crust, now that the ice is gone, is slowly rising (called glacial rebound); and this rebound can be measured, in places (like northern Wisconsin), in centimetres/year. Sea level was also lowered some 10's of meters due to the very finite amount of water in the Earth's hydrosphere being locked up in glacial ice sheets (geologists call this glacioeustacy).


Now, glacial rebound can only be measured, obviously, in glaciated terrains, i.e., the Sahara is not rebounding as it was not glaciated during the Pleistocene. This lack of rebound is noted by laser ranged interferometery and satellite geodesy, as well as by geomorphology. Glacial striae on bedrock, eskers, tills, moraines, rouche moutenees, drumlins, kame and kettle topography, fjords, deranged fluvial drainage and erratic blocks all betray a glacier's passage. Needless to say, these geomorphological expressions are not found everywhere on Earth (for instance, like the Sahara). Therefore, although extensive, the glaciers were a local (not global) is scale. Yet, at only 0.222% the size of the supposed flood, they have had a PROFOUND and EASILY recognisable and measurable effects on the lands. Yet, the supposed flood of Noah, supposedly global in extent, supposedly much more recent, and supposedly orders of magnitude larger in scale; has exactly zero measurable effects and zero evidence for it's occurrence.


Even further, let us take a realistic and dispassionate look at the other claims relating to global flooding. Particularly, in order to flood the Earth to the Genesis requisite depth of 10 cubits (5 m) above the summit of Mt. Ararat (5,151 m AMSL), it would obviously require a water depth of 5,155.7 m, or over three miles above mean sea level. In order to accomplish this little task, it would require the previously noted additional 4.525 x 10^9 km^3 of water to flood the Earth to this depth. The Earth's present hydrosphere (the sum total of all waters in, on and above the Earth) totals only 1.37 x 10^9 km^3. Where would this additional 4.525 x 10^9 km^3 of water come from? It cannot come from water vapour (i.e., clouds) because the atmospheric pressure would be 840 times greater than standard pressure of the atmosphere today. Further, the latent heat released when the vapour condenses into liquid water would be enough to raise the temperature of the Earth's atmosphere to approximately 3,570 C.


Someone has suggested that all the water needed to flood the Earth existed as liquid water surrounding the globe (i.e., a "vapour canopy"). This, of course, is staggeringly stupid. What is keeping that much water from falling to the Earth? There is a little property called gravity that would cause it to fall.


Let's look into that from a physical standpoint. To flood the Earth, we have already seen that it would require 4.252 x 10^9 km^3 of water with a mass of 4.525 x 10^21 kg. When this amount of water is floating above the Earth's surface, it stored an enormous amount of potential energy, which is converted to kinetic energy when it falls, which, in turn, is converted to heat upon impact with the Earth. The amount of heat released is immense:

Potential energy: E=M*g*H, where

M = mass of water,

g = gravitational constant and,

H = height of water above surface.

Now, going with the Genesis version of the Noachian Deluge as lasting 40 days and nights, the amount of mass falling to Earth each day is 4.525 x 10^21 kg/40 24 hr. periods. This equals 1.10675 x 10^20 kilograms daily. Using H as 16,000 meters), the energy released each day is 1.73584 x 10^25 joules. The amount of energy the Earth would have to radiate per m^2/sec is energy divided by surface area of the Earth times number of seconds in one day. That is: e = 1.735384 x 10^25/(4*3.14159* ((6386)^2*86,400)) = 391,935.0958 j/m^2/s.

Currently, the Earth radiates energy at the rate of approximately 215 joules/m2/sec and the average temperature is 280 K. Using the Stefan- Boltzman 4th power law to calculate the increase in temperature:

E (increase)/E (normal) = T (increase)/T^4 (normal)


E (normal) = 215

E (increase) = 391,935.0958

T (normal) = 280.


Turn the crank, and T (increase) equals 1800 K.


The temperature would thusly rise 1800 K, or 1,526.84 C (that's well above melting temperature of lead). It would be highly unlikely that anything short of fused quartz would survive such an onslaught. Also, the water level would have to rise at an average rate of 5.5 inches/min; and in 13 minutes would be in excess of 6 ft deep.

Finally, at 1800 K water would not exist as liquid.


It is quite clear that a Biblical Flood is and was quite impossible.


By Dr. Marty Leipzig at:

http://www.holysmoke.org/cretins/fludmath.htm
 
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