Israel in the Middle East

[Riberra]

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Actually that verse prove that we will reign with Jesus on the EARTH ....NOT in Heaven.... SON !

Revelation 5:10
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign ON the earth.

 

[Riberra]

[staff edited]
What about the Biblical proof that we will reign ON the Earth not in Heaven ...SON ?

Revelation 5:10
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign ON the earth.

 

[Riberra]

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[Riberra]

The promise to the believer in Jesus Christ is much greater than you think [Revelation 22:5]

That is only AFTER that New Jerusalem will come down on the New Earth Revelation 21 that we will have access to these wonders

Revelation 21:4-7
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

 

[Straightshot]

"That is only AFTER that New Jerusalem will come down"


Before and after as a matter of fact .... back up and read Revelation 20:4 .... who is already sitting on thrones?

Now where are your Middle East comments?

 

[klutedavid]

"The old covenant has passed into history"


Nay .... here are just a few scriptures that refute your position

The following prophecies are all still pending as we speak:

[Isaiah 11; Jeremiah 30; 31:31-37; Ezekiel 20:33-44; 36; 37; 38; 39; Daniel 9; Joel 2; 3; Micah 5; Matthew 24; Luke 21:20-36; Revelation 12]

Are you a replacement theologist?

Hello Straightshot.

Thanks for the reply.

I do not hold to any theology, just the scripture, straight and clean. I noticed your quotations, why don't we just deal with one of those quotations. In chapter twenty four of Matthew's Gospel, as Jesus describes the end of the world. We read the following lines.

Matthew 24
19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 But pray that your flight will
not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath.

Sure looks like the end of everything here, just make sure your not fleeing on the Sabbath.

So the logical question, if it is the end of everything, why would it matter if you fled on the Sabbath or not? If it is the end of the world, where would you be fleeing to?

Obviously there is something wrong with this text. We only have to read Luke's account, chapter 21, and all the problems disappear.

Luke 21
20 But when you see Jerusalem recognize that her desolation is near.

The fleeing on the Sabbath day applies to the destruction of Jerusalem by Titus. Jerusalem was destroyed, shortly after Israel was scattered to the four winds.

Matthew's account folds two separate prophecies into the one prophecy. Luke separates the age of the Jews from the age of the Gentiles.

I advise you to take a careful look at these two chapters, compare Matthew and Luke. You will see the problem in Matthew's account. Don't trust me, read it yourself carefully.

 

[Riberra]

"That is only AFTER that New Jerusalem will come down"


Before and after as a matter of fact .... back up and read Revelation 20:4 .... who is already sitting on thrones?

The scriptures point out that the 12 apostles WILL sit on 12 thrones to judge the 12 tribes of Israel when Jesus WILL COME to restore all things.

Matthew 19:28

28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Those sitting on thrones mentioned in Revelation 20:4-6 will be resurrected along the others mentioned in Revelation 20:4-6 when Jesus will come...that was promised by Jesus to the 12 apostles that they will sit on 12 thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel

Again i prove my point with Scripture Matthew 19:28.

 

[Riberra]

Satan will be cast out at the beginning of the tribulation [Revelation 9:1; 8:10; 12:7-9]

Satan will be cast out of Heaven at the beginning of the last 42 months of the tribulation Revelation 12:7-11...Revelation 13 .That is Satan who will give power to the First Beast and the False Prophet [the second beast] Revelation 13.

And this devil will be the subject and perpetrator of all 3 woes at the Lord's hand to use him and his angels for punishing the unbelieving world

-Those who have the seal of God in their foreheads will not be affected by the First Woe. Revelation 9:4-5.

-1/3 of humanity will be killed during the Second Woe by the strange horses like creatures ....
Revelation 9:12-20


-The third woe will affect only the Christians and all those who will refuse to take the mark and worship the Beast Revelation 13.

-The wrath of God will be poured out by the 7 vials of the wrath of God described in Revelation 16 when mostly all the Christians will have been beheaded by the Beast during the 42 months reign of the Beast/AC...only a remnant of Christians believers [who have not taken the mark of the Beast]will still be alive when Jesus will Come.

It is during the third woe that he will be drawn and lose his game at Armageddon

True, Satan will be there along with the AC/Beast [man of sin revealed] and the false prophet [Revelation 13]during the last 42 months of the tribulation [Revelation 13 ... Revelation 17] until the Coming of Jesus for the Armageddon battle Revelation 16:15-16 ...Revelation 19.

 

[Riberra]

Now where are your Middle East comments?

The State of Israel created in 1948 in the Middle East whose official state religion is the Babylonian Talmud from the Rabbinic tradition and whose flag emblem is the hexagram symbol of Moloch the ancient God of Babylon is the harlot nation described in Revelation 17:5-6.

 

[keras]

What you said is made up hobgoblin
You are fabricating an anti-semitic motivation

Your denial of plain facts is an indictment against you. The current Jewish State of Israel is exactly as Riberra describes. Many prophesies say how they will be judged and punished. Amos 2:4-5, Isaiah 22:14

In your thinking, Jesus is an anti-Semite: Matthew 23:33, Revelation 3:9 Bad mistake to accuse others, when your own beliefs are unsustainable.

 

[Riberra]

Israel in the Middle East
Revelation 17:5-6
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

Jesus speaking:
Matthew 23:37
"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.

 

[Riberra]

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Jesus speaking:
Matthew 23:37
"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.
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You will never be able to see the deception who is right under your nose because it was finely wrapped and part of your pre-tribulation rapture doctrine lie.

Just before being stoned to death by the Jews, Stephen accused the Jewish leaders, “And you took up the tent of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, the figures which you made” “in order to worship them.” Acts 7:43


The Star Of David Deception


The Star Of David Deception

This end times deception study will focus on the hexagram, which we’ve been told is the ‘Star of David‘, the universally recognized symbol of the state of Israel and the Jews.

The truth is that King David never used a star, so calling it the ‘Star of David‘ is a nice sounding name to cover what it really represents.

Satan hides the true meaning of his symbols behind counterfeit explanations.

To summarize, the six-pointed star is the supreme symbol of Satanic tyranny, which has been used by people throughout history to directly or indirectly worship Satan.

The idolotrous Babylonians, Egyptians and Assyrians used it.
More details:
The Star Of David Deception

 

[Riberra]

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Here the Biblical proof SON! Acts 7:43

The Israelites worshiped the star of foreign gods and were punished for it.

Israel adopted the six-pointed star in the wilderness due to their apostasy. The mark of Cain was worshiped by the Israelites in the wilderness as the star of Remphan, which represents the god Saturn, also called Chiun.

“But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves.“ Amos 5:26

Just before being stoned to death by the Jews, Stephen accused the Jewish leaders, “And you took up the tent of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, the figures which you made” “in order to worship them.” Acts 7:43

Saturn worship is Satan worship.

Satan got Solomon to worship him through false gods.

After his marriage to Pharaoh’s daughter in 922 B.C., Solomon gave himself up to witchcraft and idolatry, and built altars to Moloch, Ashtoreth and Remphan, the ancient Egyptian ‘Star‘ god.

This is very significant, because Solomon was a man of wisdom, who was allowed to build the temple of God; yet late in his life Satan caused him to worship and build altars to false gods, and use the hexagram to invoke the powers of Satan.

 

[Straightshot]

No significance what so ever above related to the topic of this thread

Israel's past intransigence is not the issue

Israel does not yet believe in their Messiah and King .... but this is going to change soon .... nothing you can do about this

Neither does modern Israel worship some kind of a "star" .... no astrology in the theater

The Lord is going to restore [Acts 1:6]

Israel is in the Middle East to stay and will end up begin the center of the the Lord's coming millennial kingdom upon the earth [Jeremiah 30; Ezekiel 20:33-34; 36; 37; 38; 39; Micah 4:1-3; Micah 5; Joel 2; 3; Zechariah 12; 13; 14]

Let's use scripture and not some tabloid rendition of you liking

Who would deny His intents above?

I want to see you do it

Give it your best shot

 

[Riberra]

No significance what so ever above related to the topic of this thread

Israel's past intransigence is not the issue

Actually they continue the same intransigence who was vindicated by God in the past.

Israel does not yet believe in their Messiah and King .... but this is going to change soon .... nothing you can do about this

Neither does modern Israel worship some kind of a "star" .... no astrology in the theater

The Lord is going to restore [Acts 1:6]

Israel is in the Middle East to stay and will end up begin the center of the the Lord's coming millennial kingdom upon the earth [Jeremiah 30; Ezekiel 20:33-34; 36; 37; 38; 39; Micah 4:1-3; Micah 5; Joel 2; 3; Zechariah 12; 13; 14]

If you believe that the creation of the State of Israel in the Middle East in 1948 fulfill Acts 1:6 ,you have been fooled...

Jesus have not come yet to restore again the Kingdom to Israel....
That will happen at the Second Coming of Jesus AFTER the tribulation.

Acts 1:6
6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Acts 1:7
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

You can bow to the Nation who have adopted the hexagram symbol of Moloch on their flag and who have for official state religion the Babylonian Talmud ,if you wish.

The Star Of David Deception

 

[keras]

And this scripture alone defies your ruse [Ezekiel 20:33-44]
.... and there are scads more of the same

Your inability to read and understand the plain teaching of the New Testament, of how the true Israel of God are Christians, is a result of your belief in the false rapture theory.
Ezekiel 20:33-44 is a prophecy for all of Israel, not just the Jews. Note how Ezekiel 20:45-40 and Ezekiel 21:1-8 go on to describe the terrible judgement that is about to fall onto all of the holy Land.

He is the perpetrator of the anti-pre-trib ruse .... and he has motive

Satan is the perpetrator of the rapture to heaven lie. Satan is the father of lies and his motive is to deceive those who like the idea of an easy way out of this world's troubles. How successful he has been!

 

[Straightshot]

BI theology is a total ruse

Anglo/British Israelism Herbert W. Armstrong REFUTED!

And Satan is doing exactly the opposite of what you say .... and he has made much progress for the purpose of leading you and others into the tribulation [Revelation 12:12]

By the way, which tribe of Israel are you from?

Certainly you must know [Revelation 7:1-8]

 

[LastSeven]

Israel's past intransigence is not the issue...Let's use scripture and not some tabloid rendition of you liking

It's funny that you should say that because both Rib and Keras have been continually using scripture to prove their points and you continually deny it all. Now, when faced with undeniable facts you still won't concede the point but instead try to change the subject while continuing to mock and insult.

That's real classy man.

 

[keras]

And as I review your postings it appears to me that you argue with others for sport alone and you seldom attempt to support your standing with relative scripture

We argue with people like yourself because we see how deceived you are and it saddens us.

And Satan is doing exactly the opposite of what you say .... and he has made much progress for the purpose of leading you and others into the tribulation

We will all face trials and tribulations, 1 Peter 4:12, we must have endurance to stand firm in our faith, Revelation 13:10, but what you rapturists promote is escapism. Satan has succeeded to deceive millions with the false rapture teaching and I have warned you repeatedly that this cozy belief leads to complacency and a 'I'm OK, you can go thru hell' attitude.
The whole rapture idea conflicts with the way Christians should think and act toward their brother Christians.
As LastSeven says, your tactics are obvious: Ignore the proofs we present and make wild accusations against us. Shows you up rather badly.
As no rapture believer has yet come up with any scriptural proof of that idea, I will continue to refute it wherever I see it.

 

[Straightshot]

Carry on

Your BI theology is filled with errors ..... this dogma has been shown to be false teaching hands down

And when I give the related information to the forum you are silent on the matter and avoid the discussion