Should flag burners lose citizenship?

Do you agree with the president elect's tweet?


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I sure Obama actually feels that way. But unlike Trump he was smart enough not to say something like that. Let's face it we are going to see more of this stuff from Trump as he is not afraid of sharing an opinion.
Yes, well you know that a great president once said, "It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."

Trump is yet to figure that one out.

Also there is a VERY large difference between the first and second amendments and their wording. There is nothing in the wording that would indicate that freedom of speech applies to flag burning. It's just that the supreme Court has ruled that it does. So, it does. However the second amendment is VERY specific about gun ownership.
The Supreme Court made their ruling based on their interpretation of the Constitution. I have no reason to doubt their expertise in these matters, since that is the job they are appointed to do. If they say the First Amendment covers offensive acts against the flag, even burning it, it's because it covers offensive acts against the flag even burning it, because the legal panel we have to make these determinations used their knowledge of American Law and jurisprudence to come to exactly that decision.
 
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Well that may be a good question, but either way it won't get you an inch closer to flag-burning.

It being such a good question, you shouldn't have any difficulty answering it.
 
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I am saying that if you are a citizen then they both deserve respect whether you agree with certain things or not,

"deserve" respect or are entitled to respect?

it is offensive to see the flag burned or the National athem disrespectedand those that do such things should be made to know that that is not behavior that will be tolorated

Ban it so that nobody is offended?
 
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All depends on if he can make the flag stand for something worth not burning again.

He pushes this issue, and we'll have to write it off as a failure.
 
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It being such a good question, you shouldn't have any difficulty answering it.
"Good question" meant one that's difficult to answer. Technically of course, the answer's "no". But as I said, neither answer "yes" or "no" would be relevant.
 
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"Good question" meant one that's difficult to answer. Technically of course, the answer's "no". But as I said, neither answer "yes" or "no" would be relevant.

Ah, but it is relevant -- because your "no" answer just gave the government the power to censor any and all forms of non-verbal communication it sees fit. Anti-government art is now verboten, which includes any political cartoons that are uncaptioned. When one remembers that literacy rates in the time of the founding fathers weren't optimal (a condition that sadly, hasn't improved nearly enough), one realizes the implications.

I assume you aren't familiar with this quote attributed to corrupt Tammany Hall "Boss" Tweed: Stop the [censored] pictures! I don't care what the papers write about me. My constituents can't read, but [censored] it, they can see the pictures!

Congratulations: you've just handed the government a powerful tool to silence dissent.
 
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You really think Tom Paine, Alexander Hamilton, Thomas Jefferson, and James Madison intended to fail to protect what they were already doing--writing their own public letters and pamphlets in support of the Constitution?

I don't -- not so sure about Chesterton.
 
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They intended to protect independent speech as well, such as what Tom Paine was doing and the various writers of the Federalist Papers, who in today's terms would be bloggers.

Well I know that, but some people here seem to think the Constitution was meant to only protect certain very specific things and read in the most narrow way.

The barring against cruel and unusual punishment would for instance would only protect against punishments that are both cruel and unusual but not simply cruel punishments, or simply unusual punishments.

Why some people would want the government having the ability to openly censor pictures, Facebook, the internet at large, so that they can feel better that no one is burning a specific cloth meant to represent the country is beyond me in the first place.
 
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I just try to make sure that any flag I burn was not made in the USA.
american-flag-made-in-china.jpg

Just trying to Make America Great Again!
 
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Really? Are you saying you dont know? If you dont then I wont tell you, obviously if you are that far out of it then there is no point in talking

I don't know if this was in response to me, but even if it's not, it's a truly terrific response.

You don't know! Shame on you. What's that? What do I think the answer is? Well...I'm not going to tell you. But I know! I swear I do. I have a great answer to that question. A tremendous answer. I have the best answers. But I won't tell you. It's so good, I won't tell anyone.
 
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Ah, but it is relevant -- because your "no" answer just gave the government the power to censor any and all forms of non-verbal communication it sees fit.
It already has that power.
Anti-government art is now verboten, which includes any political cartoons that are uncaptioned. When one remembers that literacy rates in the time of the founding fathers weren't optimal (a condition that sadly, hasn't improved nearly enough), one realizes the implications.

I assume you aren't familiar with this quote attributed to corrupt Tammany Hall "Boss" Tweed: Stop the [censored] pictures! I don't care what the papers write about me. My constituents can't read, but [censored] it, they can see the pictures!

Congratulations: you've just handed the government a powerful tool to silence dissent.

For the third time, setting fire to a flag is not art.
 
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Throwing in my two cents:

I publicly support the right for someone to go out, buy an American flag and then light it on fire. I publicly condemn anyone who steals a flag and lights it on fire. If said person steals that flag to light it on fire get ready for me to rush in and grab it. If said person then has a problem with that they can feel free to bring it up with me but I can guarantee they won't like my answer. In addition to being raised up Christian, I believe my parents instilled in me a great sense of Patriotism.

tl;dr buying a flag and lighting it on fire is fine. Stealing it to light it on fire is and should be criminally punishable
 
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I don't know if this was in response to me, but even if it's not, it's a truly terrific response.

You don't know! Shame on you. What's that? What do I think the answer is? Well...I'm not going to tell you. But I know! I swear I do. I have a great answer to that question. A tremendous answer. I have the best answers. But I won't tell you. It's so good, I won't tell anyone.
Yup you have it. I am sure that if they try they will know instead of trying to bait me
 
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Throwing in my two cents:

I publicly support the right for someone to go out, buy an American flag and then light it on fire. I publicly condemn anyone who steals a flag and lights it on fire. If said person steals that flag to light it on fire get ready for me to rush in and grab it. If said person then has a problem with that they can feel free to bring it up with me but I can guarantee they won't like my answer. In addition to being raised up Christian, I believe my parents instilled in me a great sense of Patriotism.

tl;dr buying a flag and lighting it on fire is fine. Stealing it to light it on fire is and should be criminally punishable
:oldthumbsup: Welcome to CF
 
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The tag, "it's art" cannot be used to justify any action to the whim of the offender.

That's not a definition. Please give a definition of "art."
 
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