Should flag burners lose citizenship?

Do you agree with the president elect's tweet?


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PeachyKeane

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I don't debate with childish people - and to dismiss my clear argument with this insult is the very definition of childish. Welcome to "ignore".

Don't get attached to your ideas. Sorry, it sounds like hooey.

Ignoring people for rejecting your ideas isn't exactly a sign of maturity.
 
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I am saying that if you are a citizen then they both deserve respect whether you agree with certain things or not, it is offensive to see the flag burned or the National athem disrespectedand those that do such things should be made to know that that is not behavior that will be tolorated
I agree flag burning is offensive but that's sort of the whole point of doing it. If we didn't imbue the act with such power, the incentive to do it and be shocking and offensive would be gone.

Perhaps people would still do it but if they saw that no one cared, they'd eventually stop and move on to something else.
 
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Well they specifically protected the press, but most of our writing is done digitally now.

They intended to protect independent speech as well, such as what Tom Paine was doing and the various writers of the Federalist Papers, who in today's terms would be bloggers.
 
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I am saying that if you are a citizen then they both deserve respect whether you agree with certain things or not, it is offensive to see the flag burned or the National athem disrespectedand those that do such things should be made to know that that is not behavior that will be tolorated

Tolerated by whom?
 
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I don't debate with childish people - and to dismiss my clear argument with this insult is the very definition of childish. Welcome to "ignore".
I don't think that many people share your association of fire with something that only destroys and causes chaos. For example, thanks to fire, I'm currently not freezing to death.
 
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This country if you are a part of it deserves a level of respect. The flag is a part of that. You dont have to agree with everything the country dioes butyou should have a love of it that would prevent you from doing something like this and while we are on it I look at Colin Kapernink and wonder why he is still playing football. Disrespect like that towards our National Athem should kick him out. Playing in the NFL is not a right but a privelege and that behavior should not be tolorated. I dont like Trump but I do respect the office he will hold or should I disrespect him
Governments that require respect from the citizens don't deserve it.

You can force a person to join in and stand up for the national anthem, pledge allegiance to the flag and be a Yankee doodle dandy every single day of their life but if they don't already love or have respect for the country to begin with, none of that is going to matter.

Personally, I'd rather people be honest with how they feel and state it clearly than have a false sense of unity that isn't really there.
 
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Ah, but "the Press" might only refer to professional printers, who used an actual printing press.

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They never did say all writing, just as they never said "expression," did they?

You really think Tom Paine, Alexander Hamilton, Thomas Jefferson, and James Madison intended to fail to protect what they were already doing--writing their own public letters and pamphlets in support of the Constitution?
 
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Really? Are you saying you dont know? If you dont then I wont tell you, obviously if you are that far out of it then there is no point in talking

What post was this in response to?
 
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As I have already written, I suggest it is a priori plausible that fire is "burned" onto our neurons (pun intended) as the ultimate symbol of mindless destruction. Fire destroys, and it does so in a chaotic and uncontrollable manner. It is hard to think of something that would be a better symbol to incite the inner "irrational man" that seeks to wreak destruction as the means to solve a problem.

I am puzzled that people do not see this - I suggest it is no coincidence that flag-burning is often, not always I concede but nevertheless often, accompanied by frenzied, out-of-control chants for the death of some group of people.

Fire is so primal, and so destructive and chaotic that I believe its use in symbolic burnings presents a risk for incitement to violence that is higher than for other forms of "speech".

I think lynch nooses are more directed than that.

Fire is more often a very good thing--mankind would not have survived without it. Many, if not most, people in the world have a little fire going on somewhere in their homes.

 
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It actually is a very big deal for the president to suggest people should lose their citizenship for exercising one of their most fundamental rights of free expression.

Consider Obama suggesting firearm owners should lose their citizenship because they one day exercised their right and bought a gun. Of course there's no reason to think he'd actually do that but would you just wave that away the same as you did for Trump?

Really, it's not what the president thinks he can or cannot do that worries me. The law will take care of that.

What worries me is what his followers are willing to allow.
I sure Obama actually feels that way. But unlike Trump he was smart enough not to say something like that. Let's face it we are going to see more of this stuff from Trump as he is not afraid of sharing an opinion.

Also there is a VERY large difference between the first and second amendments and their wording. There is nothing in the wording that would indicate that freedom of speech applies to flag burning. It's just that the supreme Court has ruled that it does. So, it does. However the second amendment is VERY specific about gun ownership.

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You're saying the National Anthem and flag are sacred?

Well, Christians have to show some honor to the officials of the nations we are deployed to 'cause the Lord says so. But only because the Lord says so, not because they inherently deserve it.
 
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I am saying that if you are a citizen then they both deserve respect whether you agree with certain things or not, it is offensive to see the flag burned or the National athem disrespectedand those that do such things should be made to know that that is not behavior that will be tolorated
How should we punish those who disrespect our blessed and glorious government? Should we revoke their rights? Imprison them? Execute them? What is the appropriate punishment for the crime of political incorrectness?
 
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I am saying that if you are a citizen then they both deserve respect whether you agree with certain things or not, it is offensive to see the flag burned or the National athem disrespectedand those that do such things should be made to know that that is not behavior that will be tolorated

There was no national flag or national anthem when the Constitution was written. If there had been any idea that someone in the federal capital would attempt to force citizens of Pennsylvania, New York, or Virginia to respect any token of state beside their own, there would probably not have been a Constitution.
 
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The religion of Americanism rivals Christianity for #1 faith in the US.

No, Americanism has no serious rival. It has pretty much consumed Christianity in the US, except for a few isolated holdouts like Jehovah's Witnesses.
 
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